Ofsted Inspection
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Posted By: Iftikhar
Subject: Ofsted Inspection
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 1:47pm
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What gives OFSTED the right, or indeed any Brits, to preach to minority groups about how they should live their lives. This is a cosmopolitan country, the Muslim community have the right to educate their children how they choose. What has being British got to do with your religious belief? In Britain there are Hindus Sikhs pagans Jewish Buddhists atheist Zoroastrians Rasta's and many more should they all change there religious beliefs because they are British? Studying the Qur'an will certainly help towards these children becoming fully integrated citizens of the UK.
Muslim schools should be inspected by Muslim members of the Ofsted. They understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children as well as their parents. Twenty leading educationalists and Muslim leaders have questioned Ofsted's impartiality in the Birmingham 'Trojan Horse' affair, education consultant Robin Richardson reflects on the factors behind its controversial recent inspections. What gives OFSTED the right, or indeed any Brits, to preach to minority groups about how they should live their lives. This is a cosmopolitan country, the Muslim community have the right to educate their children how they choose. What has being British got to do with your religious belief? In Britain there are Hindus Sikhs pagans Jewish Buddhists atheist Zoroastrians Rasta's and many more should they all change there religious beliefs because they are British? Studying the Qur'an will certainly help towards these children becoming fully integrated citizens of the UK. Like many Ofsted stories this is no news. There are lots of schools up and down the land without male teachers. Teaching is so female dominated you wonder why pupils are so poorly behaved. After all feminism blames men for everything and here are the results of female dominance... If 8 out of 10 schools are getting good or outstanding why is that not a headline? That would be positive & when the next Pisa comes out & shows no improvement the government would be made to look st**id because the 8 out of 10 schools are good or outstanding is bull*****just like much of what Ofsted say. Ofsted are a political tool used to show progress to the electorate & win votes. Their comments, inspections & judgements are utterly, utterly worthless. Wilshaw was just on radio 4 and he seemed to reject the proposal that parents have any responsibility for their children's attitude to learning and behaviour, preferring to point out that Head teachers 'have tremendous powers to set the culture'. This wilful blindness is what has hindered the progress of too many students in mainstream state schools for too long. According to Ofsted's chief inspector, Sir Michael Wilshaw, inspectors of the so-called Trojan Horse schools in Birmingham have found that pupils were "vulnerable to extremism" and that some had been targeted by hard line Muslim governors in a 'planned and orchestrated' plot to radicalise pupils. The truth of the matter is that 7/7 bombers were never educated in a Muslim school. They are the product of the British schooling, which makes a man st**id, selfish and corrupt. It is the saying of Lord Burtend Russell. They were mis-educated and de-educated by state schools with non-Muslim teachers. Don`t forget these Trojan Horse schools had excellent ratings from OFSTED , so what will change? Where these schools are situated often have religious community support after school activities, also, school governors are likely to come from the religious and social leaders of these communities, how will you stop their influence?? Twenty leading educationalists and Muslim leaders have questioned Ofsted's impartiality in the Birmingham 'Trojan Horse' affair, education consultant Robin Richardson reflects on the factors behind its controversial recent inspections. The Trojan Horse story in Birmingham is one in which carelessness, incompetence, coincidence, opportunism, self-interest and sheer wickedness all play significant parts. The dominant narrative began to be public when the security correspondent at the Sunday Times provided on 2 March 2014 some quotations from a document which he claimed had been written by a Muslim in Birmingham for sending to a Muslim in Bradford. It was obvious from the quotations to any reasonable person with time and inclination to think about it that the document was a forgery, a false flag operation. It was not, alas, obvious to journalists in the mainstream media, including to its shame the Guardian. Western media and politicians have been trying their best to propagate against Muslim schools. Muslim schools are even called Osama bin Laden Academies by a Teaching Union. Only less than 5% of Muslim children attend Muslim schools while more than 95% are in state schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community is not asking for any favour. State schools get appalling Ofsted reports as well. There will be good and bad state schools and good and bad free schools. Muslim Girls school tops state school rankings in Blackburn. Yet, the only news we get is about a failing school in Derby. The problem is the Islamification of schools through the sheer weight of numbers of Muslims in them. Attitudes to gays and terrorism may be some kind of litmus test for such Islamification but Ofsted seem to have approached this in a clumsy and insensitive way. The elephant in the room is that if you have a school full of Muslims then it is always going to be an Islamist school. It's too late to avoid that now. Islam outlaws homosexuality. It's perfectly reasonable to ensure children forced into a religion and a religious school by their parents are educated and accepting, and generally set up to become good citizens. It's also reasonable to suspect a Muslim school, wouldn't encourage acceptance of homosexuality, or discourage playground negativity towards it. Six Muslim schools in London�s Tower Hamlets region have recently been accused of exposing their pupils to �serious risk� of �extremist influences and radicalisation�, Sir. Michael Wilshaw says. The head of Ofsted and Chief Inspector of Schools claims these independent institutions focus far too heavily on Islamic teaching, ignoring the core modules of the National Curriculum and under preparing their students for a life in modern Britain. Although many staff within these schools called Ofsted�s accusations �unprofessional�, the Education Secretary has threatened that unless they alter their academic focus, these primary and secondary schools � many of whom have since lost their �outstanding� academic status previously awarded by Ofsted � will be closed. This investigation into independent Muslim institutions comes in the wake of the Birmingham schools �Trojan Horse� incident of earlier this year, where five Muslim schools were accused of encouraging a �hard-line Islamist takeover� and subjected to unannounced inspection by Ofsted. In a similar case, Wilshaw claims that the schools in Tower Hamlets focus solely on Islamist teachings, ignoring subjects such as art, music and drama and as such, exposing their vulnerable pupils to �extremist influences and radicalisation�. This is simply not the case, however, and to suggest that Muslim institutions specialising in Islamic teachings are radical and extremist is more over, a sweeping mis-judgment; one that is unfortunately no doubt shaped by the influx of information concerning certain terrorist organisations ISIS and Boko Haram within our media. In many instances Muslim schools have raised the standard for pupils within the community, creating a safe and approachable environment for families who care not only about their children�s education, but their religious beliefs and continuation of cultural practices and morals. Since 2004 the national average of Muslims achieving a GCSE A*- C grade has increased drastically with the development of these schools, with pass rate figures rising from 25-30% for both boys and girls in parts of England, to 100% in particular Islamic institutions. The Brondesbury College for Boys in Brent is one such example, whose GCSE pass rates are 46% higher than England�s national average. Muslim Schools are therefore setting the standards of all-round excellence and nurturing a new generation of high achievers throughout the country; allowing their pupils to excel in subjects beyond the schools� Islamic focus. The number of Muslim schools, along with their successful pass rates, thus provide Britain with young educated Muslims, who will in turn, be in a better position to contribute towards Britain in primary fields of work. Furthermore, if we look at the subjects offered by each of the six accused Muslim private schools, we notice that they do offer a variety of subjects which are not all solely based on Islamic teachings. Therefore the argument about not providing a broad and balanced curriculum is inaccurate. IA http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk |
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Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 30 December 2014 at 3:38pm
No, they don't. I'm sorry, but they just don't. Your children are not your property. They are their own persons and presumably British citizens with inherent rights guaranteed under British law. Among those rights is the right to a proper education. Not necessarily whatever the parents want them to learn, but what the British public as a whole considers proper. So for instance, if you want to teach your child that Islam is the only acceptable religion, that (unfortunately) is your business -- but your children also have the right to hear about the principles that make British society work so well, including tolerance and acceptance of other religions. Or if you want to teach your child that leaving his/her religion, or being gay, is a crime punishable by death, then they are entitled to learn that British law and British society say otherwise. IMHO the mere existence of private religious schools as alternatives to the public school system is already a huge concession to religion. If I had my way all children would be required to attend public schools, so that they can be given the same educational and social opportunities, regardless of the narrowminded views of some parents. Teach your religion, if you must, in the mosques or in your homes, but leave secular education to the secular public school system. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Iftikhar wrote:Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 31 December 2014 at 4:03am
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What gives OFSTED the right, or indeed any Brits, to preach to minority groups about how they should live their lives. ?
The state pays the costs of the school. Pay for the school your self and do what you wish. Although expect issues of child abuse to come in. |
Posted By: Iftikhar
Date Posted: 01 January 2015 at 12:15pm
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Muslim community would like to protect their children from the evils of the western society. You better educate your children and let Muslim community educate their children according the needs and demands of the parents.
Muslim schools teach Muslim children that sex outside marriage is a sin. Homosexuality is also a sin. Sex before marriage and homosexuality are western values and Muslims are not supposed to adopt them. British values, which are said to include respect for legally protected characteristics such as homosexuality, religion, gender change, disability, race and marital status. what a warping of British values, the British values I was taught are respect for the institution of marriage, freedom of religious pursuit, freedom of speech, respect for the monarch. respect for others. British culture. Watch BBC News about Rolf Harris and his evil deeds for the last 50 years. Muslims feel ashamed of British culture and it values. Let's not pretend this whole "British values" nonsense is about anything else than targeting British Muslims and pretending that they are somehow different from everyone else in this country. Just as demonising Jews was once the means by which a country unified itself, so now Britons who are being viciously attacked by this Government and its super rich patrons are being asked to unite behind the flag and a vicious campaign against Islam. The neoliberal revolution, as damaging to ordinary people as the enclosures of the more distant past and the industrial revolution of the more recent, is about to claim more victims: our fellow citizens who happen to be Muslim. It is not British values our children will be taught it is simply the values that enable the establishment to continue on, in the same way they make sure that is what is taught in private schools will guarantee the continuation of 'born to rule' clones, brainwashed just as much, as detached from the rest of the population as they can be, fearful that the classes should dare to mix and actually start to understand or even empathise with each other, or God forbid work together towards a more equal society. Yes, it all stinks. Not helped too with the latest news that the only extra funding this Govt deems to fit to pass on to schools is to try and encourage state school children to join military cadet organisations. Now there's a tradition that continues on - providing the next generation of cannon fodder to again continue on what the rest of us in reality should be fighting against. Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers. A couple of Pakistanis have adopted the British values of grooming young children. They are the product of the British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. I have been doing Jihad in the field of education for the last 40 years so that each and every Muslim child should be in a state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. I would like to see Muslim children developing Cultural, linguistic and spiritual identities so that they could keep themselves away from western barbarity of anti-social behaviour, binge drinking, drug addiction, teen age pregnancies and abortion and lot of other evils but people like you do not want to see Muslim children in Muslim schools in the name of integration. Now you have seen the result in the form of sexual grooming of young children which is a common occurrence in your culture. The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos. Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith. Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parents that the British schooling does not adequately address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response. State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored. The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, �the battle against communism� must be joined� with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist? The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man st**id, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling. The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of "extremism", criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right. IA http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 January 2015 at 2:43pm
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Greetings Iftikhar, While your aims are honorable... wanting to raise the moral standards of the general community... let us not pretend that immorality does not exist in the muslim community just as it does everywhere else.... your ideas are lacking vision and guidance. Unfortunately you embrace a 'we' against 'them' mentality. With blinders you see that everything in the west is bad, and you do not see that there are also good people... likewise, I am sure that you wear the blinders to the bad things that happen in muslim culture also. Evil is not contained to one part of the world, or to one culture, it exists everywhere and among all of us. It would be more honorable... rather than blindly condemning 'westerners'... to recognize the good, and bad, in all people... and to show by example and influence how we can ALL be better people. The way Martin Luther King, Jr. led the way to change in the United States... uniting people together of two seemingly opposing factions... uniting both black and white colors of people... in fighting for what was right, just, and good... rather than taking a 'we' and 'them' mentality and adding to divisions, he saw that there is good in both groups of people, in all groups of people, and he led the way to a, 'what is right and good mentality', over what is unjust and unacceptable according to the Word of God. Widening the divide helps no one... it only increases tensions, and divisions. If you really want to bring people to God do not feed these divisions. Segregation never solved anything, in fact it is the bane of what we see in the middle east today... the refusal of people to accept one another and live as one community, insisting instead that each remain in their own segregated communities. It is the muslim desire to remain segregated in the nations they have chosen to inhabit, that is causing problems in all of the nations where they live. It was also the reason the Jews encountered such difficulties with the Romans. One must be willing to be part of the community, even while retaining ones own religious and moral convictions. Good can not influence evil by staying at a distance. Yshwe walked with the sinners, that He might have an influence on them and their thinking. 'What need do the righteous have of a healer? It is the sick that need the physician.' 16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Emettman
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 3:00am
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Iftikahr, it is highly inconsistent, bordering on hypocritical, for you to want to have and to exploit the advantages of "a cosmopolitan country," without making the slightest acknowledgement of the duties owed to others also existing in "a cosmopolitan country."
It is a bad move to claim rights which might trouble you if some others got their hands on them, and were equally insistent about them.
Well that's part of the social contract in a cosmopolitan country. It does put a restraining limit of "we should be allowed to do what WE like."
Within, and only within, the setting of a multicultural community and a cosmopolitan country.
Quite a lot, if your religious beliefs denigrate, decry and denounce British values and culture.
With exceptions granted as no society is perfect, and because though far less than it used to be racism can still be easily, theses all seem to rub along in Britain, and prefer being here to being anywhere else.
Well that's going to depend very much on how it's taught, isn't it? If it's taught by people hating British culture and values, probably it's not. .
That is desperately poor logic. You should be able to see why if you think coolly
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, if it is accepted that this was present *on all sides*.
Now there's a stance. A measured one or a biased one?
Again, cherry-picking! Being very much in favour of citing and claiming "the law of the land" when it suits, this sits incredibly badly when you almost instantly turn and decry "the law of the land" and want to rebel against it.
And so, what is Islam's place in a "cosmopolitan country" which has a wider tolerance?
One of the most bizarre uses of "perfectly reasonable" I have ever encountered. "...children forced into a religion..." Oh well, it's not surprising then that I find so many raised to Islamic belief have not been taught how to question, how to critically examine what they have been taught. Do that, actually educate to produce free, aware individuals, and the "forcing" might be spotted and be vulnerable.
Well so much for producing "fully integrated citizens of the UK", then. Wanted: tolerance and acceptance. Not on Offer: tolerance and acceptance.
That's a badly flawed inference. A massive leap, in fact. I'll leave that for you to spot.
That "therefore" is another massive leap, not justified by that which precedes it. "subjects which are not all solely based on Islamic teachings" IN NO WAY has a sure correspondence with "a broad and balanced curriculum " I would love to see (or be horrified to see) what you consider "a broad and balanced curriculum."
The link appears broken. Chris [/QUOTE] |
Posted By: Emettman
Date Posted: 02 January 2015 at 1:53pm
In which case, if it's that evil, departing from it would seem an obvious move.
And that gives them the right to criticize them? That's a superiority stance, not really compatible with a multicultural or cosmopolitan society.
That seems about right.
I see the "respect for others" didn't take too well. I don't disrespect marriage, but I see no reason why that should be the only possible arrangement sanctioned for a couple's relationship. Whatever happened to freedom of choice?
Then you won't worry If I feel ashamed of Muslim culture and its values? Freedom of speech and all that... There is a saying of Jesus: first remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will be able to see to remove the speck from your neighbour's eye.
Once a person has said that one can be confident that they have lost balance, markedly. "It's all about targeting British Muslims." No. It's not all about you. It's not even mainly about you. It's your fixed perspective colouring what you think you see
Actually no, if you read your history. Anti-semitism yes, but we've largely recovered from that over the last few hundred years. (All we have left in law is a couple of items as a remnant of much more extensive **anti-Catholic** legislation) And anti-semitism was never a tool to unite the country. Little ever succeeded in that. Not even Hitler and Nazi Germany as an external threat and enemy up until 1939.
Where have you imagined that from? (We've only just decided we're pretty much in agreement about the flag, and that still comes with some dissenters!) How is my government viciously attacking me? Ignoring me, I might assent to! A vicious campaign against Islam? As far as I can see the numbers of mosques continues to increase, with permission for new buildings or for change of purpose for existing ones. The only group expanding faster than the Muslims, (by a factor of three or four!) are the secularists who have no active religious belief, or are developed agnostics an d atheists. This vicious campaign means Muslims are leaving Britain in their thousands... ...err, hang on a minute. Quite the reverse. How odd. Almost as if there wasn't a vicious campaign at all.
What an odd pair of parallels! Yes, though scattered and even riddled with injustice and trauma, both those events, (massive complex things) were positive developments **for ordinary people**, both for all their disadvantages offering routes away from where the majority of ordinary people had been trapped, barely one step above subsistence agriculture, in an effective continuation of a medieval feudal system now maintained as much by "tradition" as by earlier codified servitude.
Boring, over-the-top, ill-argued rant. Not worth wasting ammunition on.
And you complain against British folk taking their view of Islam from newspaper headlines! Dear oh dear. "26 Feb 2014 - The number of UK teenage pregnancies in the UK has fallen to its lowest level since 1969, Office for National Statistics figures show." Just for one. I thought "Don't trust newspaper headlines" was one of your mantras. [/QUOTE] A couple of Pakistanis have adopted the British values of grooming young children. They are the product of the British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.
For what, and by your definition of "right"? On the evidence collected here I see no great necessity to admit either. Chris |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 03 January 2015 at 12:49pm
Again, that is what mosques are for. You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what public schools are all about.
Nobody is asking you to adopt them. Public schools teach the obvious fact that some Brits have sex outside of marriage, and some Brits are gay, just as some are Christian, some are Muslim (Shia or Sunni), some are atheist, etc.; and that we have to accept this diversity of lifestyles, whatever we may personally think of them. Accept them -- not adopt them.
Exactly -- including respect for gays and for sexually active singles. If there is a contradiction here, I'm not seeing it.
The difference being that the British are also ashamed of Rolf Harris's evil deeds, which is why he is in jail. As opposed to the evil deeds of Islamists, many of whom still have widespread support from Muslims.
If they're not different, why do they need their own schools? --- I'll skip the rest of your post, which seems to be a mix of ideological screed and copy-and-paste spam. However, if you really think that Muslim values are superior to British values in creating a healthy and prosperous society, maybe you'd like to offer a specific example where that is so. There are plenty of Muslim societies in the Middle East. Which one would you prefer to live in? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |