Jewish and Christian Muslims
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Topic: Jewish and Christian Muslims
Posted By: Abu Loren
Subject: Jewish and Christian Muslims
Date Posted: 30 January 2015 at 11:44am
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Asalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala be upon you. Before the believers of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala called themselves Jews and Christians they were all Muslims submitting to the Will of the Creator, Sustainer and Cherisher of the entire creation Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Humanity descended from a single pair of human beings namely Adam and Eve (peace be upon them both) and their descendents went astray over time. When this happened Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala sent Messengers and Prophets to warn them and to bring them back into the light. Some obeyed and many disobeyed. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala saved some of them and destroyed most. Then over time these believers began to exclude themselves from other people and called themselves a name that was exclusive to them, wrongly believing that God Almighty only belonged to them and only them. The followers of Isa Ibn Maryam the true Muslims who followed his true teachings only lasted a few hundred years until the religion was hijacked by the pagan Roman Empire. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala through His infinite Mercy sent a final Messenger to mankind until the end of time. He was instructed to teach the people the true religion of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala the only religion acceptable to Him and to follow and obey His Laws that are never changing. The true worshippers of God Almighty Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has always been Muslims whether you call them Jews of Christians or Muslims. If people take away the prejudice and hatred that lingers in their hearts then will see the light shining over the world a light that Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) brought to the world with the help of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Do not reject this light like the Roman Emperor, the Persian King and the Nagus of Abyssinia rejected. Save yourself from the hell fire and submit your being to the Creator Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Salaam Peace ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 31 May 2015 at 12:08pm
If they was muslims why wasn't there any recording of muslims in the bible even today jews never use the word muslim from tradition to tradition jews always called themselfs jews I think this is just some way that muslims want convert people to islam.
Adam logically was a submitter to YAHWE.
Eve logically was a submitter to YAHWE.
If Allah was the protector of muslims why didn't he protect the muslims who was killing other muslims or protect muslims from been killed by muslim extremists.
There is a long and complicated history to the Muslim hatred of Jews. Some people seek to trace the issue back to Abraham�s two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, or Isaac�s two sons, Jacob and Esau. Whatever enmity existed between the two offspring, there was not a command of God to kill the Jews. The immense hatred of the Jews began in the time of Mohammed, by Mohammed, and it is alleged that Allah gave the command for it. The Qur�an, the hadiths, and the events in Mohammed�s life will explain the hatred that began with Mohammed and continued in his followers to this day. Why didn't muslims follow the the the teachings of the Jewish Prophets and Jewish laws and covenants that YAHWE had made with them ?
There is always stigma under muslims that God finally revealed the Quran to the final messenger, Prophet Muhammad which in fact wasn't so.
Indeed, both Jews and Arabs are the Children of Abraham; Jews descended from his second son Isaac and Arabs from the first son Ishmael. To Moses, God Almighty revealed the Torah, as He revealed to Jesus the Gospel |
Abu Loren wrote:Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 01 June 2015 at 12:06pm
There are so many Muslims recorded in the Bible. Your prejudice and your misunderstanding won't let you see it. Let me name a few Muslims in the Bible. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus etc (peace and blessings of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala be upon them all).
Your LOGIC is in question. As there is only ONE God it doesn't matter what you call Him as the best names belong to Him. Why do you have a problem with Allah as being the name of God? This is the name He has called Himself in Arabic in His final revelation to mankind.
There was absolutely no enmity between Ismail and Ishaque (peace and blessings to them both). They were both loving and respecting of each other being the sons of Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam). What's written in the Bible is a fabrication and a lie. As for Prophet Yakoub (Alayhi Salaam) having a brother that could also be an invention as there is no mention of him in the Qur'an.
Sorry Mr. history buff but you are wrong. On the contrary, the Prophet (salAllahu Alayhi Wa Salaam) had love and respect for the Jews that lived around Yathrib or Madina. There was a war between them because they constantly broke treaties and helped the Mushriks of Mecca.
If by meaning the people of Arabia and particularly the people of Mecca, they were supposed to be following the teachings and Laws of Ibrahim (Alayhi Salaam) but they invented their own gods and at the time of the Prophet (Salallahu alayhi Wa Sallam) there were 360 idols worshipped in Mecca. Also the Jews did not accept any other people as they called themselves the Chosen people. They did not spread the message of God outside their own communities.
No stigma at all but FACT. Whether you want to believe it or not or like it or not Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) IS the seal of the Prophets and the final prophet and messenger to mankind.
I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Since the advent of Islam many millions of people in that area including Jews embraced Islam. The only systematic driving out of the Jews were after the battle of Uhud. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 02 June 2015 at 2:37am
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Humanity descended from a single pair of human beings namely Adam and Eve Not according to the fossil record or the DNA record or the science of genetics which shows that a population with just 2 sets of genes will not be able to last due to having too small a gene pool and interbreeding will cause too many problems. Leapards are having this problem at the moment. Saber tooth tigers died out duet to it and modern tigers would be heading down the same dead end evolutionary rout but humanity has come along and changed the rules... |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 04 June 2015 at 7:06am
Lets make it short and sweet you say Muhammad was the last and final Prophet the seal of all Prophets.
Then why did Jesus told his Desciples this Why is Jesus the only door tell me why?.
John 10:9-16 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.11 �I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. John 14: 6 Jesus answered, �I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Tell me why is Jesus the only way why? Jesus is the only way to heaven for several reasons. Jesus was �chosen by God� to be the Savior (1 Peter 2:4). Jesus is the only One to have come down from heaven and returned there (John 3:13). He is the only person to have lived a perfect human life (Hebrews 4:15). He is the only sacrifice for sin (1 John 2:2; Hebrews 10:26). He alone fulfilled the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17). He is the only man to have conquered death forever (Hebrews 2:14�15). He is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5). He is the only man whom God has �exalted . . . to the highest place� (Philippians 2:9). Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby WE MUST BE SAVED (Acts 4:10-12). Salvation can only be found be found in the name of Jesus Christ. You CANNOT find salvation in the name of Allah. You CANNOT find salvation in the name of the Pope. You CANNOT find salvation in the name of Buddha. You CANNOT find salvation in the name of a religion or a denomination. You CANNOT find salvation in the name of an evangelist. You can only find salvation in the person of Jesus Christ. This is God�s plan. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 04 June 2015 at 11:15am
If you can think of a pyramid structure then those at the top are very strong and it degenerates as it descends. Science hasn't proven one single thing, it's ALL theory. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 05 June 2015 at 3:17am
Another classic example of Christians misinterpreting the message of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam). He is doorway to Paradise and salvation by following his teachings and obeying his commands. Like ALL prophets and messengers before him they taught the Oneness of God Almighty known in Arabic as Tauheed
At the time of Jesus and until the advent of Muhammad as the final Prophet Jesus was the way because he established a new covenant until the final covenant which belongs to Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) until the Last Day. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 June 2015 at 6:14am
This is not a misinterpretation no no you just want see it as misinterpretation thats not what Jesus tells us He tells us that He and only he is the way to salvation and to the Kingdom of God He didn't said someone will come after me and say the same as what I have said..
Hebrews 1 -4 GODS FINAL WORD His son
IN THE PAST GOD SPOKE TO US ANCESTORS THROUGH THE PROPHETS AT MANY TIMES AND IN VARIOUS WAYS BUT IN THESE LAST DAYS HE HAS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON THROUGH WHOM HE APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS, AND THROUGH WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE UNIVERSE. THE SON IS THE RADIANCE OF GOD'S GLORY AND THE EXACT REPRESENTION OF HIS BEING, SUSTAINING ALL THINGS BY HIS POWERFULL WORD AFTER HE HAD PROVIDED PURIFICATION OR SINS, HE SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT OF GOD OF THE MAJESTY IN HEAVEN. SO HE BECAME AS MUCH SUPERIOUR TO THE ANGELS AS THE NAME HE HE HAS INHERITED IS SUPERIOUR TO THEIRS. The Son Superiour to Angels. For which of the angels did God ever say You are my Son today I have become your Father. Or again I will be his Father and he will be my Son. . John 10:9-16 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.11 �I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice;(not someone elese voice) and there will be one flock and one shepherd.(Note! one flock one shepherd) I hope this is helpfull for you to understand. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 07 June 2015 at 11:32am
Yes indeed. If indeed these are the words of Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) then he is asking his followers to follow and obey his commands. The Christians who claim to follow and obey him failed miserably. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |