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Who is regarded a slave?

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Topic: Who is regarded a slave?

Posted By: Biancam
Subject: Who is regarded a slave?
Date Posted: 17 February 2015 at 11:32am

I just read an article that says men are permitted to have sex slaves even in marriage. what does this mean? Who is regarded a slave so that a man can have sexual intercourse with them?

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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 18 February 2015 at 7:09am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfg7nOPHjKE

Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 19 February 2015 at 1:40am

I am listening to the video this so far;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfg7nOPHjKE

The Roman slavery system was worse than the American system. It killed loads of people.

The Islamic slavery system included raiding Africa for black slaves. This practice continues today.

This is a problem for of using a set of laws written in very different times.

Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 02 December 2015 at 9:33am

Hi Tim,
I am sorry, I couldn't get this vid. Probably its taken off or some broken link. Nevertheless my question to your comment, when you say

Tim the plumber wrote:

The Roman slavery system was worse than the American system.It killed loads of people.

Is this your excuse?

Tim the plumber wrote:

The Islamic slavery system included raiding Africa for black slaves.

Where did you find such an Islamic system? Any reference from Quran?

Tim the plumber wrote:

This practice continues today.This is a problem for of using a set of laws written in very different times.

what set of laws that you are referring to? Your references please? I think, you are truely unaware of Islamic stance on slavery and therefore definitely looking forward for a healthy discussion on this topic.

Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 03 December 2015 at 2:01am

The Roman slave system involved the selling of wine to Gaul. 1 amphere of wine, a big pottery jar, had the same value as a slave.

That meant that it was not economic to feed slaves over the winter. So buy them just before you need to harvest the grapes and just don't feed them.

Because large rich land owners did this it was impossible for small farmers to compete. They all ended up in Rome where they could claim the public dole of food given out to Roman citizens. They died of disease in the streets of Rome.

The provinces of the Empire had govenors appointed by Rome. They had the job for a few years and then moved on. Often they would squeeze as much money out of the province as possible. This often meant declairing large sections of the province as slave zones. Everybody they could find would be sold. Made the rest of the place keen to pay the taxes.

The Islamic world had slavery in a less bad form;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml

The Paradox

A poignant paradox of Islamic slavery is that the humanity of the various rules and customs that led to the freeing of slaves created a demand for new slaves that could only be supplied by war, forcing people into slavery or trading slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Chad

The practice of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery - slavery in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad - Chad , as in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahel - Sahel states in general, is an entrenched phenomenon with a long history, going back to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade - Arab slave trade in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahelian_kingdoms - Sahelian kingdoms , and it continues today.

The laws of the Koran allow slavery.

I am not saying that the Western use of slavery, mostly in the Americas, was at all OK. It was not. It was evil.

Slavery continues today. It is very wrong. Not enough is done about stopping it.

Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 03 December 2015 at 10:54pm

Tim the Plumber wrote:

..The laws of the Koran allow slavery...

I would rather conclude that the laws of the Islam dissuade slavery by encouraging Muslims to free their slaves.

Tim the Plumber wrote:

Slavery continues today. It is very wrong. Not enough is done about stopping it.

Excellent. I agree with you.