the Jerusalem conflict
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Topic: the Jerusalem conflict
Posted By: Caringheart
Subject: the Jerusalem conflict
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 10:44am
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I was listening this morning to a program talking about the tablets that describe the lives of the Jews during the Babylonian exile.... the tablets recently found in southern Iraq... and it got me to thinking.... The conflict in Jerusalem... the real reason for the objection to the state of Israel Zionism ? - the return of the Jews to the Holy Land As far as I can see the Jews have always been returning, or trying to return to the Holy Land the only thing the creation of the state of Israel did, was to put into place a government run by Jews rather than Britain > So what is the problem? As I see it, the problem is that the muslim believes that the Jew will impose a dhimmi status on them. The problem is the Jew believes the muslim will impose a dhimmi status on them. > So the question becomes what is the truth? I do know that the qur'an specifically calls for the humiliation of other people... for the humbling of other peoples to the authority of the islamic ruler... an imposition of a dhimmi status. What does the Jewish law require? As far as I know the Jews go by Democratic law... where all have equal status... now this might be incorrect because I think it is also true that only a Jew can serve in the military of Israel.... and yet, I understand this, because how could any Jew trust a muslim? and by the same token if muslims were to rule, how could any muslim trust any Jew to fight beside him, and with him? > So the question is, is there any way to ever fix this rift between peoples? How come other lands can do it? fight side by side with people of other religion and even no religion? It seems to me that what has to change is the ideology. Christianity embraces all people... this has to be the answer to why can other countries and nations can do it... fight together without fearing one another... they fight together for their nation... allowing each whatever god or practice that he chooses... Christianity does not impose itself... it invites... it allows one to choose... and God to judge.... it is the Christian nations... the western nations... the ones that do not seek to make dhimmi's of anyone, but to treat all equally. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 7:41pm
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Caringheart wrote:Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 12 November 2015 at 2:48pm
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"The power of forgiveness is the far better response"... Forgiveness of Japan... (after war) forgiveness of Germany (after war) forgiveness of Nelson Mandela forgiveness of the Hutu's and the Tutsi's (after devastating bloodshed) Forgiveness is the way forward... in peace. Forgiveness is what Yshwe teaches... 'forgive them, they know not what they do' Only evil doesn't know how to forgive. Who is it that does not forgive? Does Russia forgive? Does China forgive? Who else ....? Who is it that revives old battles instead of laying them to rest? Pakistan? India? How do they fare on forgiveness? Iran? Burma/Myanmar? ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 13 November 2015 at 1:23pm
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Caringheart,
The World political stage is not what you and I think it is, I have been reliably informed by my 'conspiracy theorist' friend that the world events are controlled by a handful of men. Please read http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34881 - this if you have the time. He also says that Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Yasser Arafat of Palestine were freemasons. This is very hard to believe. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 16 November 2015 at 5:52am
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The world events are controlled by a handful of men? This is like saying no humans ever landed on the moon. Some folks just love this kind of nonsense. So please, get real. A world of 7 billion people can't be controlled by a handful of men. This claim is a hoax. Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 16 November 2015 at 6:38am
You have not seen the Moon thread where Abu tell us all that the earth is flat or a cube or whatever he imagines at the time... I think he might be getting a little better. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 16 November 2015 at 3:00pm
Get real Herr Braun, This world is run by conglomerates and the banking cartel. Yes, out of seven billion people, they only number a handful. And they don't care how many people die. In fact their aim is to get rid of half the world population so it will be easier for them to control the population like cattle. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 17 November 2015 at 12:53am
Poeple who don't actually engage with the real world and go around spouting drivel will act as a destraction from real issues and stop the general people doing good things. |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 17 November 2015 at 10:35am
You think you live in the real world my atheist friend, but the reality is that you are being lead like sheeple. You obey the men behind the mask who are controlling this world, they are satanists who are paving the way for the Anti-Christ who will come soon. You can pretend all you want about your freedom and democracy but the truth is you aint got none. You are controlled as if drug induced and you are in a state of slumber. WAKE UP! ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 18 November 2015 at 1:00am
If you had any confidence in your ideas you would want to put them up for the challenge of experimentation. You would be unafraid of the outcome. You would look through a telescope. |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 18 November 2015 at 2:33am
If the world was run by conglomerates and the banking cartel, nation states could not make them pay fines in the millions and billions because of tax fraud or other illegal activity. Your claim is intended to create scapegoats. Look, someone else is responsible for the problems in the world. Instead, you should take responsibilty and learn to be self-critical. Always blaming others accomplishes nothing. ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Matt Browne
Date Posted: 18 November 2015 at 2:40am
I couldn't agree more. And there are plenty of real issues. Like searching for strategies how we can prevent the brainwashing of young men, who storm into a concert hall murdering dozens of people and shouting allahu akbar while they are at it. What can we do so that they don't believe that paradise is waiting for them when they get killed in the process? What can we do, so Muslims give up the concept of infidels and the demonization of infidels? Here's one approach http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/ - http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/ ------------- A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt |
Posted By: Abu Loren
Date Posted: 18 November 2015 at 3:44am
Somebody else IS to be blamed for the troubles of the world. I'm just your average Jo bloggs just living from day to day without troubling anybody. I blame IS for killing innocent men, women and children all over the world. ------------- La Ilaha IllAllah |