NASA Proves Islam is a trur religion
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Topic: NASA Proves Islam is a trur religion
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Subject: NASA Proves Islam is a trur religion
Date Posted: 30 August 2015 at 11:20pm
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Many muslims have a question in mind that why is mecca a chosen place?Is there any scientific analysis on special significance given to mecca.Nasa scientists that analysed that Mecca the house of Allah is chosen with great precision.As such Islam is the true religion for all.
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 31 August 2015 at 2:49am
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I stoped when it showed the ratio of a human body to be 1,618. That was from the ground to hip vs hip to head(?) I think. How bad at maths do you have to be? |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 31 August 2015 at 5:57am
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I'm afraid the precision isn't all that great. I don't normally waste my time on videos (they seldom give references to back up their claims), but I was curious about this one so I skimmed through it with the sound off (not to disturb my wife -- another reason why I avoid videos). The distance from the south pole to Mecca is given in the video as 12,348.32 km. (Seven figures of precision!) However, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distance.html?p1=468&p2=136 - timeanddate.com calculates the actual distance as 12,373 km. Mecca is about 25 km too far north to make this "miracle" work. (Unless you believe that Allah is only approximately omniscient.  )I responded to this claim on Islamicity http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14563&PID=125365#125365 - a few years ago and got the same result (16 miles ~= 25 km). But it doesn't matter how often claims like this are debunked. Religious zealots just keep copying and pasting the same garbage from one Web site to another, totally oblivious to the facts.  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 31 August 2015 at 7:45am
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Do you think that mecca is just a spot on earth?
Non muslims are not allowed in the restricted area which is called" Haram" which inhouse the K'aaba. The calculator you have given just generalises mecca,Mecca is 1200 km square. I don't know if you are an aetheist or of a different religion,I would like to know if you approve the text part of the article. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 31 August 2015 at 10:59am
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Hi Islam Hashtag, Sorry if my earlier message sounded a bit grumpy. I probably shouldn't post messages first thing in the morning before I've had my tea.  Yes, I think Mecca is just a city that grew up around the Kaaba, which is just an arbitrary spot on the earth. There is nothing magical about it. I don't believe in magic. Yes, I know that Mecca is now a large city, but it wasn't always that way. Certainly if Allah wanted to incorporate the Golden Ratio into the location of the Kaaba He could have been more accurate. I am an atheist, but I usually avoid that term because it simply means I don't believe in gods -- it doesn't tell you what I do believe. I prefer the term "humanist", which emphasizes that my focus is on humanity. One of the reasons your post frustrated me is that I am constantly fighting a battle here to get people to understand that you can't just believe everything you read (or hear) on the Internet. There is all sorts of nonsense out there, and it just gets repeated over and over. People read something that supports their preconceived notions and never bother to check the most basic facts. To be honest, I didn't even notice the text part of the article at first. I just assumed it was a summary of the video, but apparently it makes an entirely different argument. Do I approve of the text argument? No, certainly not. It just plays the same game that religion has been playing for thousands of years: pick something that we don't understand, and then claim it as proof of God. They used to do that with lightning, and with diseases, and with planetary motions, and with species adaptations. Now we understand those things, so they have moved on to the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe - fine-tuning argument . There will always be things we don't understand. That's what makes science so exciting. No, we don't know how the universe came to be, or what may have preceded it, or why it has the specific properties that it does. But millions of us would love to know, and that's what science is. As I've said many times on this forum, the " http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2013/09/god-did-it-explains-everything-or-maybe-not-2/ - Goddidit " answer, aside from having no evidence to support it, is not an explanation for anything. It simply provides a name for our ignorance, and an excuse not to look any further. Saying that God created the universe still doesn't tell us how it was created. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 31 August 2015 at 11:48pm
| An advice,just google search the image of the ratio of human body,there is number of evident proof there. |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 12:00am
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I am not offended at all.And thanks for your consideration of the text part of the video.I understand that you are a humanist.And you don't believe in miracle but Indeed the creation of life is itself a miracle.No science has been able to create a life out of non living thing and no scientists know why all living things die.When a book has come to us telling everything that has happened in past and the things that will happen in future and the sciences we are discovering know is already coded in the book.How can we deny?
I have one little advice request, Look at the verse of Quran "(2:23)which asks the people who don't believe in Allah to produce a single chapter like Quran and call their witnesses.This challenge was given to the people 1400 yrs back and no one has succeeded yet. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 2:18am
Please explain which ratios on the human body are the same as this number. Also please explain what this ratio is, I could only find a number which is not a ration, it needs another number for that. |
ISLAM HASHTAG wrote:Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 2:23am
http://www.ted.com/talks/martin_hanczyc_the_line_between_life_and_not_life?language=en Here is an example of how far science has gone down that road. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 9:21am
And here is my advice, again: don't believe stuff just because you read it (or see it or watch it) on the Internet. I searched for images related to "ratio of human body", as you suggested. Most of the results relied on either Da Vinci's famous drawing of "vitruvian man" (inscribed in a square within a circle), or from Adolf Zeising in the 19th century. (It's amazing how these "factoids" get copied uncritically from one Web site to another.) But did you actually check any of their claims? The most popular claim is that the ratio of the height of the navel compared with the total body height matches the Golden Ratio (1.618...). Why the navel in particular is never made clear, but never mind. So go ahead -- measure the height of your own navel. Divide it into your total height and see what you get. I did that myself: I am 68 inches tall, and my navel height is 40 inches. That's a ratio of 1.7, not 1.618. Apparently my navel "ought" to be two inches higher. Maybe I have sagged with age.  Sure, I can believe that the ratio is approximately equal to the Golden Ratio, but the precision implied by "1.618" is completely illusory. It would require measurements accurate to less than a tenth of an inch. I defy anyone to measure the height of their navel that accurately. The bottom line is that you can find ratios that approximately match any number you choose, if you go looking for them. There is nothing magical about the Golden Ratio. Besides, if the Golden Ratio had any great mystical signficance, you would expect it to be mentioned somewhere in the Quran, wouldn't you? ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 11:41am
I have addressed this question as a separate topic: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34457&PID=199106#199106 - "a Surah the like thereof" . ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 05 September 2015 at 12:32am
This is an enrich your mathematics site which will explain all your calculations.Try it. http://%28http://nrich.maths.org/7668%29 - (http://nrich.maths.org/7668) |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 05 September 2015 at 2:06am
I have watched some of the first ridiculious video. I will not waste my time on any other distraction. You will have to explain some of it. Point out which bits of the human body have the ratio in the first video. YOU DO IT. not a link. Avoiding this will demonstrate that you know it is wrong in the first place. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 06 September 2015 at 4:39pm
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For those having trouble with the latest link, here it is again (fixed): http://nrich.maths.org/7668 - http://nrich.maths.org/7668 By the way, Islam Hastag, did you actually do the exercise described in this link? If so, what numbers did you get? Did the number 1.618 come up at all? I got A = 0.9, B = 1.0 and C = 1.5 (inches). So C/B = 1.5, and B/A = 1.1. Nowhere near the Golden Ratio. (I'd like to see a hand with a B/A = 1.618, by the way. It would be freaky.) For my arm/hand ratio (#5 in the exercise), I got 11/7 = 1.57. Not bad, but not 1.618 either. Anyway, the division between arm and wrist is fairly arbitrary (as are most of the others). If I measured again I could easily get a smaller or larger number. ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 07 September 2015 at 12:58pm
@Ron
Another miracle ! Not only is it close to Golden Ratio it is also Pi/2=90� (2*1.57=3.14 !!!). Looking at Eulers number 2.18... it is also not very far away. Impressive. ------------------------------------------------------
I took the challenge and did bring up a poem at least as good as any Surah of the Quran http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33734&PID=199079#199079 - here. You can follow/participate in this discussion in Rons thread http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34457&PN=1&MF=Y - here . Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 08 September 2015 at 1:20am
| As if you would become muslim if the golden ratio you are trying measure comes exact. |
Posted By: Ron Webb
Date Posted: 08 September 2015 at 7:01am
 How could I have missed that?Praise the FSM! Bless His Noodly Appendages!  ------------- Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 09 September 2015 at 12:02am
It is not exact. Period. It takes indeed a bit more than some phony miracles to convince me. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: ISLAM HASHTAG
Date Posted: 11 September 2015 at 5:50am
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Exactly,
There is lots more than this phony miracles to observe in the world and universe. Allah has braught a special surah to the people who want to observe the world and universe and who wants to connect things scientifically. Take a look at this surah: http://goo.gl/FJPvjO - http://goo.gl/FJPvjO |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 13 September 2015 at 11:28am
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@Islam Hashtag
Since you posted Surah 55 let's have a closer look at it. Just to give you a glimpse on the impact the Quran has on a dis-believer has I give you my feelings as I go through the individual verses. Since it is a bit long I only comment about the first part of it:
1 and 2 are not provable. Phantasy. 3,4) Science tells otherwise
It is again a set of non provable statements.
It may be hard for you to swallow, but this is what I feel when I read the Quran. I can't help it. C'est la vie: Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |