To non-Muslim neighbors
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Topic: To non-Muslim neighbors
Posted By: tuanbusku
Subject: To non-Muslim neighbors
Date Posted: 20 May 2018 at 3:16am
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Ron Abuelo was a rum pioneer in barrel finishes. Its Ron Abuelo Finish Collection is a 14-year-old rum matured for an extra year in different barrels: Oloroso Sherry Casks, Tawny Port Casks and Napoleon Cognac Casks. Tie finishes show off the flexibility of rum beyond white, gold, flavors and spiced, March says. The latest entry in Serralles' Signature Series is Don Q Double Aged Vermouth Cask Finish Rum. It's a blend of rare rums aged between 5 and 8 years in American white oak casks, and then rested for 4-6 weeks in Mancino Vermouth Vecchio barrels. "It's best served neat or on the rocks, but I love it in a Manhattan," Eason says. Goslings, too, is working with barrel finishes. "With recent line extensions, we've developed proprietary ways to finish the aging process, either by using a variety of barrels and/or barrels that we have treated to impart our own unique 'Goslings' character in the finished product," the CEO says. The most recent is Goslings Gold Seal, where one of the rums in the blend is aged in once-used bourbon barrels. Other tactics also borrow from whiskey. For example, Don Q offers a Single Barrel Signature Release, with the age of the batch indicated on the label. This strategy has proved popular with whiskey fans. And, Eason notes, "Compared to the pricing of bourbon, whiskey and Cognac, aged mm has tremendous value." Later this year, Goslings will also release a limited quantity of a single-barrel mm. For many mm companies, spiced and flavored mms are performing well. Several new variants debuted recently and other companies are revamping their flavor portfolios. "The days of-off-the-wall flavors are over; it's back to basics," says Venhoff brand manager for Admiral Nelson's Premium Spiced Rum and Blackheart, a black spiced mm. "That dials down to traditional mm flavors-pineapple and coconut-which is where brands are winning." After testing well in select markets, Admiral Nelson's Pineapple is now rolling out nationally this April. "It's an easy introduction to the mm category," Venhoff notes. Overall, the brand is up 3% on a large base, she says, and Blackheart is up 10%. "We noticed that consumers were consuming shots more often, and thought that was a great opportunity for Captain Morgan," says vice president Linda Bethea. The brand began adding permanent shot offerings in 2015--first with Cannon Blast, then the seasonal Jack-O Blast, then Loco-Nut last spring. The newest is Watermelon Smash, positioned as a limited-time offering for spring and summer. "It's innovative not just from liquid standpoint, but in its packaging as well," Bethea says. The bottle designed to look like a plump and juicy watermelon, and a scratch and sniff covering lends a melon fragrance. "There's been a shift in consumer behavior that has led to an increased demand for 'back-to-basics' flavors within the mm category," says Daniel R. Clarke, brand director USA for Malibu Rum. With this in mind, Malibu has a renewed focus on signature flavor offerings, including Malibu Original (Coconut), Malibu Pineapple, Malibu Banana, Malibu Mango, Malibu Passion Fruit. The newest offering is Malibu Lime, launched in February. "Lime is the most popular fruit paired with mm, the brand capitalized on this," Clarke adds. Promotional and marketing campaigns aim to draw customers into stores. Sailor Jerry is focusing marketing to reflect its Navy heritage and Made in America tag. Instead of promoting spring break, the brand will celebrate Fleet Week, and has teamed with USAA to host music festivals on military bases-with sampling opportunities, of course. Sailor Jerry has also partnered with another iconic American brand, Harley Davidson (Norman Collins rode a Harley) and both will be present this year at the Sturgis Rally and SXSW. Malibu Lime launched with a national 360 approach, supported by a combination of advertising, marketing and promotions. With the slogan "Just in Lime for the Summer," Malibu Lime created advertisements showcasing the new flavor. Off- and on-premise sampling kits include Mojito recipe magnets, recipe cards, counter cards, wooden Mojito muddlers, sampling cups, straws, stainless steel lime juicers, table tents and acrylic tumblers with straws.
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Posted By: yandex
Date Posted: 23 May 2018 at 11:17pm
I think Non-Muslims get that kind of impression from Quranic verses such as these.Why blame them? Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures (Quran 98 6) |
tuanbusku wrote:Posted By: Niblo
Date Posted: 07 June 2018 at 5:45am
You write: 'I think Non-Muslims get that kind of impression from Quranic verses such as these. Why blame them? '"Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures"' (Quran 98 6) ‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from God, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship God alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion. Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation. Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. God is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-7). Always a good idea to set a verse in its context. This passage condemns those People of the Book who sin, while assuring the righteous among them that they shall have their reward. I think you'll find that the Bible does the same. ------------- 'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib) |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 07 June 2018 at 9:40am
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Its' the bit about clear evidence which causes the questions. |
Posted By: yandex
Date Posted: 10 June 2018 at 9:38pm
I'm not a Christian & the Bible irrelevant here. The author of this OP wrote that Islam doesn't look down on Christians & Jews, and I showed otherwise. Please read the interpretation/tafsir of Ibn Abbas the cousin of your prophet, the context of sin here is simply not accepting Muhammad as a prophet. Why would they (& the pagans) if He is not convincing to them? And why such a demeaning way. (Lo! those who
disbelieve) in Muhammad (pbuh) and the Qur'an, (among the People of the
Scripture and the idolaters) i.e. the idolaters among the people of
Mecca, (will abide in fire of hell) never to die therein or leave it.
(They are the worst of created beings) * تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs Now also see verse 4 47. Here Allah is threatening to deface them & make them ugly if they don't accept Muhammad. What kind of a paranoia is this? O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you, before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed (Quran 4 47) |
Posted By: Niblo
Date Posted: 22 June 2018 at 9:46pm
You write: ‘The author of this OP wrote that Islam doesn't look down on Christians & Jews, and I showed otherwise.’ And I have demonstrated (in my first post) that the Qur’an condemns only those People of the Book who sin: ‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from God, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship God alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion. Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation. Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. God is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord.’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-7). Ignoring these verses (because they refute your claim) you press on with this: ‘O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you, before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed (Al-Nisa 47). One thing to watch out for in any translation is the words contained in parenthesis. These are not found in the Qur’an itself; and are, in every case, commentaries - or opinions - made by the translator. Your translation is by Muhammad al-Hilali and Muhammad Khan. This is from the translation by Professor M.A.S. Haleem: ‘People of the Book, believe in what We have sent down to confirm what you already have before We wipe out (your sense of) direction, turning you back, or reject you, as We rejected those who broke the Sabbath: Allāh’s will is always done.’ Haleem reminds us that the words ‘…wipe out (your sense) of direction’ ('naṭmisa wujūhan'), when taken literally, means ‘obliterate faces’; and that another meaning (quoting Razi) is ‘directions’. Some interpret the expression ‘obliterate faces’ in the ridiculous manner of al-Hilali and Khan. Others (e.g. al-Qurtubi and al-Tabari) opine that the expression is a metaphor, meaning that transgressors will be blinded to the path to truth, and so turned back towards error. Al-Nisa 47 reminds the People of the Book that they must follow the path, and the laws, that Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) has decreed for them; as set out in their own Scriptures. Surah Al-Ma’ida confirms this: ‘If Allāh had so willed, He would have made you one community, but He wanted to test you through that which He has given you, so race to do good: you will all return to Allāh and He will make clear to you the matters you differed about.’ (48). Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) warns that all who sin risk being turned from their particular path, and rejected; the fate of all who break His laws. As for those who are faithful to these laws: ‘The (Muslim) believers, the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabians - all those who believe in Allāh and the Last Day and do good - will have their rewards with their Lord. No fear for them, nor will they grieve.’ (Al-Baqara 62). You quote from the Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr. My copy is a translation by Mokrane Guezzou. He writes: ‘Reliable reports from Ibn ‘Abbas regarding the interpretation of the Qur’an are not lacking. But this did not prevent some from ascribing a host of reports to this erudite prophetic Companion. There is even an entire commentary of the Qur’an ascribed to him, namely, Tanwir al-Miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas, or simply Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas. This commentary was published many times under the above titles as well as under slightly different titles. ‘There is no doubt that this commentary is not the work of Ibn ‘Abbas. The chain of transmitters of this commentary goes back to Muhammad Ibn Marwan > al-Kalbi> Abu Salih which is described by Hadith experts as the chain of lies (silsilat al-kadhib), for this line of transmission is utterly dubious and unreliable. One does not even need to use the criteria for reliable transmission applied by Hadith experts to decide this commentary’s wrong attribution to Ibn ‘Abbas. ‘It is easy to detect obvious anomalies in the text of Tanwir al-Miqbas which leave one with no doubt that whoever wrote it lived many centuries after Ibn ‘Abbas. One finds it, for instance, references to Hasan al-Basri, al-Suddi and even the grammarian Yahya Ibn Ziyad al-Farra’ (d. 207/822). In a few places, after giving different meanings of the same verse, the author(s) or compiler(s) proceed(s) to say: “… and this is the opinion of Ibn ‘Abbas” or: “Ibn ‘Abbas says…”, forgetting that the entire commentary is supposed to be an accurate transmission of what is narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas. ‘Ibn ‘Abbas, for example, is known for his use of Biblical narratives, but he is also equally known for his condemnation of the wild stories related by the storytellers and also of his criticism of Wahb Ibn Munabbih whom he censored for narrating stories and events which are unacceptable to Islamic teachings. However, one finds in Tanwir al-Miqbas many instances of the wild stories and narratives that Ibn ‘Abbas had strongly condemned. Muslim scholarship is not unfamiliar with minor or obscure scholars ascribing their works to competent and famous scholars to guarantee the posterity and diffusion of their works, nor does it lack examples whereby books were falsely attributed by copyists to different authors because of ill-intent, confusion, ignorance or, simply, human error. One is inclined to think that this is exactly what happened in the case of Tanwir al-Miqbas. I’ll take the Qur’an over a forgery any day. ------------- 'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib) |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 23 June 2018 at 1:40am
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Where do atheists come in the list of acceptible people? |
Posted By: Al Masihi
Date Posted: 23 June 2018 at 3:02am
| According to the Quran everyone who counts himself among the people of the book and not the people of Islam is already in the sin of shirk. |
Posted By: yandex
Date Posted: 24 June 2018 at 8:07pm
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Dear Niblo, Quran clearly says that the Books of the Christians & Jews has been corrupted. If you insist that they can go to heaven without accepting the Quran & Muhammad, then its a contradiction. If it is not a contradiction , then "not committing sin"/ "doing good" in the verses surely includes the belief in the Quran & Muhammad which they don't. As for the Sabian who also can go to heaven, what is the Book that Allah gave them? Nobody knows. As for Muslims scholars getting it wrong, Muslim translators getting it wrong and Muslim interpretations being wrong, I have nothing to add further, as everything speaks for itself. |
Posted By: Niblo
Date Posted: 03 July 2018 at 12:37pm
Dear Yandex. You began this discussion by stating: 'The author of this OP wrote that Islam doesn't look down on Christians & Jews, and I showed otherwise.’ For one last time. I demonstrated (in my first post) that the Qur’an condemns only those People of the Book who sin: ‘Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters were not about to change their ways until they were sent clear evidence, a messenger from God, reading out pages (blessed with) purity, containing true scriptures. (Yet) those who were given the Scripture became divided only after they were sent (such) clear evidence though all they are required to do is worship God alone, sincerely devoting their religion to Him as people of true faith, keep up the prayer, and pay the prescribed alms, for that is the true religion. Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will have the Fire of Hell, there to remain. They are the worst of creation. Those who believe, and do good deeds, are the best of creation. Their reward with their Lord is everlasting Gardens graced with flowing streams, where they will stay forever. God is well pleased with them and they with Him. All this is for those who stand in awe of their Lord’ (Al-Bayyina: 1-7). Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) has made this promise; and He does not renege on His promises. If you - or anyone else - is discomforted by this, well, you really do need to take it up with Him. I am content to take Him at His word. Allow me to share this: I was raised as a Baptist in Tynewydd (Rhondda). In the 1920’s a number of Italian families moved into Glamorgan and set up shops and cafes. One of these families (the Bassini’s) settled in Tynewydd. When Italy declared war, and joined with Germany, the UK government issued an internment order against those it deemed to be ‘enemy civilians’. This included the Bassini’s. The husband (I knew him as Jack) was taken away, but his wife and children were allowed to remain in their home (they had a café and a fish and chip shop next to each other). One day, my grandfather was returning from work, only to discover a mob hurling abuse (and stones) at the Bassini’s and their home; at people they had once called friends. My grandfather told the mob to stop, and they did. Many years later the family’s eldest daughter (Maria) was accepted into the Carmelite Order, and my grandfather and grandmother were invited to attend the ceremony. A great honour. My grandfather was an Elder at Blaencwm Chapel, in Tynewydd. The Elders employed the Minister. When I was a teenager, one Minister came to my grandfather’s house. He was treated like royalty. My grandfather called him ‘Sir’. Later, I asked my grandfather why he had called this man ‘Sir’ after all, he was the Minister’s boss! My grandfather smiled, and said: ‘I’m just an Elder. The Minister speaks the Word!’ When my grandfather died, several hundred men – of all ages – attended his funeral (women did not do so in those days). They filled the cemetery chapel, and many were weeping openly. My grandfather was able to calm a howling mob – and move the hearts of many – not because of any legal authority (he had none), but because of his character; because of the person he was. He lived his Faith as it was meant to be lived. A Christian would say that he reflected the love of Jesus; and that it was this that made him a shining beacon to others. I would say that he reflected the love of God. He led by example rather than by argument. Although I can no longer share all of my grandfather’s theology he remains, by far, the finest man I ever met. I have absolutely no doubt at all that he is with the Beloved; as are the many fine Christians it has been my joy to know over 72 years. As for those (Muslims, Christians or otherwise) who disagree with me on this matter.....I really don't care. They are free to think what they like. This is all I have to say, so thank you for your time. Have a nice day. ------------- 'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib) |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 03 July 2018 at 2:09pm
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@ Niblo Thanks for sharing your story with us. I have to admit that it is completely unclear to me how a reasonable person as you seem to be, can turn to a fairy tale religion like Islam where the self-serving purpose of the Quran is all too obvious. So I can only guess that this is a direct consequence of the religious education you went through. In any case I do appreciate the tolerance you express, even if your stance seems to be in stark contrast with most of the muslims. In any case, following this discussion it looks to me as if the Quran and even more the Hadiths were more of a candy shop where enchanted kids are allowed to choose whatever they want. Last not least: I still owe you an answer on the "almighty discussion". I was very busy the last couple of weeks ( I've even been to the UK recently), but it's not forgotten. Airmano
------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Niblo
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 2:43am
Hello Airmano. Nice to hear from you again. You suppose that my acceptance of the Qur’an must be: ‘A direct consequence of the religious education (I) went through.’ My religious education, as a child, was minimal. I was packed off to Sunday school (starting at the age of about six) simply to get me out of the way. I was not sent to my grandfather’s chapel, but to another called ‘Hope’. My parents visited ‘Hope’ just once a year; at the Nativity play. At that time my parents and I lived with my maternal grandparents, and three of my mother’s adult siblings. None of these folk were in any way ‘religious’. My religious education (proper) did not begin until I was in my teens (by then I had left my family home). That was when I first became attracted to Catholicism. I had (and still have) a love of books (inherited from the paternal side of my family). Naturally, I read as much about the Church - and its teachings - as I could lay my hands on. Becoming a Catholic paved the way for direct communication with folk who knew their subject (Catholicism) far better than I. This is the only way to learn, after all…..from those who are better informed than oneself. In 1978 (having gained a BA in History, Philosophy and Logic) I became a professed Carmelite Tertiary, and remained one for ten years. During the whole of this time I was in regular contact with the Cistercian Abbey (Mount Saint Bernard) in Leicestershire; and visited often. In pursuit of a religious vocation I spent a year with the Carmelite Friars at Hazlewood Castle in Yorkshire (now a hotel), and over a year at Mount Saint Bernard Abbey. Throughout all of these years (from Tertiary onwards) I studied the usual stuff (biblical and dogmatic theology; hermeneutics; biblical criticism; canon law, and so on), and had excellent teachers. I was a Thomist, and still have a very high regard for the methodology of Aquinas; although I can no longer agree with all of his notions. When my son became a Muslim - around fourteen years ago - I thought it would be a good idea to study Islam. I was, and remain, fascinated by religious scholarship. Perhaps if I had been a wee bit more spiritual and a wee bit less cerebral (a lot more in balance - like my grandfather, who was both spiritual and cerebral…and then some) I might have been a better Christian (and now, a better Muslim). As for my ‘tolerance’; I owe that to experience; to the many excellent people (religious and otherwise) I have known over the decades. To say, as you do, that my tolerance seems to be: ‘In stark contrast with most of the Muslims’ is a classical example of a hasty generalisation; the making of a claim based on a limited number of examples. It invites the question: ‘Just how many Muslims do you truly know?’ I guess it won’t be that many. All the evidence points to the vast majority of Muslims being no different in their social behaviour than the vast majority of non-Muslims. They simply want to get on with their lives....peacefully. No need to apologise for your gross neglect of our discussion! I fully understand that I am not the number one consideration in your life. By the way, whereabouts in the UK did you visit? Take care now, and very best regards. Paul ------------- 'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib) |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 6:20am
We ask Allah, Most High, to join you with your grandfather in Paradise. How true indeed that fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. |
Posted By: Niblo
Date Posted: 08 July 2018 at 6:30am
That is so very kind of you. Thank you so much. May Allah the Exalted bless you, and all of your family, and bring each of you to Himself. I don't know what else to say, except that you have brought joy to the heart of this old man. Bless you. ------------- 'Sometimes, silence is the best answer for a fool.' (Alī ibn Abī Tālib) |