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Topic: The Only
Posted By: superme
Subject: The Only
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 8:52am

We are informed that this universe that we know is made up of billions and bilions of galaxies, where our milky way galaxy is just one of them. Yet in this milky way alone there are billions of suns like ours.

Now how do we fit this text against the above information?

John 3:16  
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The word only is problem considering the possibility of earth like planet is very high. If the only son is only for this world than who is sent there somewhere else to give them the everlasting life? I remember a friend at work who is devout christian said to me maybe the word only does not have to be taken literally. (The above verse a copy and pasted a bible software, KJV version.)

In the past this kind of statements were escaped from scrutiny, but not today. In general sense I undertand the general direction for it.

What do you think.

(Is this subject relevant here?)




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Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 9:02am

God is the creator of all worlds.  There is no problem in my mind thinking he could have created other worlds with other peoples and prophets.  But, they would have no bearing on this world.  Our salvation comes through his revelations and commandments here.

Your logic would make sense to an unorthodox Christian like a Mormon, but to a mainstream Christian they would say false. 

Jesus was the only Begotten son.  Therefore there couldn't be other sons. 

This would also mean that you have to believe that at the very least their could be life on other planets.  Many of the Christians I grew up around emphatically deny there could be life other than Earth.  That only through God is there life on this planet and this planet alone has life. 

So the point of view on this would be different for each Christian.  Those that believe in the possibility of extraterrastriel life (I cringe using this word because it conjures pictures of little green men.) would ponder your hypothesis in conjunction with the Bible.  Those that don't believe in ETs would reject it outright.



Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 9:17am

Jesus was the only Begotten son.  Therefore there couldn't be other sons. 

Angela the word only is actually the problem. The statement in 3:16 does indicate that the possibility of other life form is out. OR, if they are exist than they are not saved.

This would also mean that you have to believe that at the very least their could be life on other planets.

Remember, Jesus here is as the only saviour. If them who are somewhere else are saved by any other means (Prophets) therefore all about Jesus is about here - a local matter instead of a universal.



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 9:24am
That is the correct mainstream Christian belief.  Jesus is the only way.  But like I said, Most devout Christians I know don't believe in life elsewhere.


Posted By: Athanasius
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 9:58am
If there is life on other planets, that has not been revealed to us in the Scriptures.  The Scripture state that NO MAN comes to the Father but by the Son, and that Jesus is the ONLY way of salvation.  Therefore, if any other man exists on any other planet, they, too will be saved through Jesus Christ who was the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, which means, eternally generated by the Father (it does not mean that He was "begotten" through some act in the flesh).

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Freedom is a gift from God - to deny men freedom is to worship evil.


Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:14am

For God so loved the world. Athanasius, the world in there, which world is that?.

Btw, your number of posts is very impressive I tell you. In 1 1/2 year you will bring Angel to humble herself before the lord.



Posted By: Athanasius
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:25am
The Greek word used here for "world" denotes all creation.  When Jesus said, "go out into all the world," he refered to all that exists.

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Freedom is a gift from God - to deny men freedom is to worship evil.


Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 10:58am

Hi

Not taking part in this discussion.

just curious Superme where is Aruba?

I know stupid question.

 



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�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 11:40am
Originally posted by Alwardah Alwardah wrote:

Hi


Not taking part in this discussion.


just curious Superme where is Aruba?


I�know stupid question.




In you live in US then you will know where Aruba is.

I am sick of hearing kidnapping and aruba, give it a rest FOX.



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 11:42am
Here, here.  I second that emotion. AK.


Posted By: fredifreeloader
Date Posted: 14 April 2006 at 2:07pm
aruba is an island in the netherlands antilles, or used to be, perhaps its independent now, in any event its where it always was, in the carribean

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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16


Posted By: Alwardah
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 12:15am

Thanks Fredi

Need to get an atlas, so that I will not upset ak next time with a location question.



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�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:35am

Originally posted by Athanasius Athanasius wrote:

If there is life on other planets, that has not been revealed to us in the Scriptures.  The Scripture state that NO MAN comes to the Father but by the Son, and that Jesus is the ONLY way of salvation.  Therefore, if any other man exists on any other planet, they, too will be saved through Jesus Christ who was the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son, which means, eternally generated by the Father (it does not mean that He was "begotten" through some act in the flesh).

That at all does not make sense nor logical sense.

If another man/men exist on another planet/s how is Jesus the ONLY saviour still ? And still the only begotten Son still ? What makes you think men on another planet is anything like us here on earth ? or in the same boat needing to be showed the way ? whatever that is (even on another populated planet  )  

I know what the scriptures say but I think you are taking it way over the top here that its meant for ALL of the universe and worlds. You make quite an assumption that you don't even know what we have beyond our own solar system or what God has created outside our world.



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Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:39am

Originally posted by Athanasius Athanasius wrote:

The Greek word used here for "world" denotes all creation.  When Jesus said, "go out into all the world," he refered to all that exists.

May I underline the word "world" meaning one world  



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 6:41am
Originally posted by superme superme wrote:

For God so loved the world. Athanasius, the world in there, which world is that?.

Btw, your number of posts is very impressive I tell you. In 1 1/2 year you will bring Angel to humble herself before the lord.

oh my i just saw this



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 15 April 2006 at 7:22am

The people get used to live without outside interference, that's why I chose the place, very quite place for hiding. But lately lately they've been throwing cans at me. They rexkon it has been too many visitors looking for me. I sneaked out in the night while they were sleeping and I row the boat. I don't really know where I am now but I see a lot of bananas around here. I hope I was not just drifted back to Aruba.

 




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