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Topic: For Athan, Mishmish & Angela
Posted By: Angel
Subject: For Athan, Mishmish & Angela
Date Posted: 18 April 2006 at 7:29am

I want to clarify somethings from another thread.

And I am not getting into who is right or wrong, whatever, since things were addressed to me I want to clarify. First Mishmish:

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Angel:

A group of the new posters decided they had a problem with Angela and Mormonism and had some very "un-nice" things to say. Despite repeated warnings they continued and some are no longer on the forum. Most of the posts were deleted and the threads closed.

We went through this all before on other threads. This thread was just an attempt to explain/justify what they were doing, but attacks of this type will simply not be allowed.

And that is not the answer to my quiry you only stated what was taking place, Mishmish I know what was being done, and I was staying out of it. I wanted to know how Athan was casting doubt upon the beliefs of another member ? by stating that some groups are non christian groups. How is it different to Angela or another saying that it is part of ?  I wasn't getting into the personal attacks that was happening. Nor was I specifically talking about one person, it was said in general. I am sorry for not clarifying that.

I was not getting into what Angela believes or not or the incident she was in, I am with her on this.

Now to you Angela:

Quote What right does he have to say I'm not a Christian Angel? 

None, but get past the personal issue and you might see something else, According to his beliefs and the church's beliefs you are, and according to yours you are christian. And that is all I am getting myself into, I am not getting dragged into this personal incident I wasn't attacking you.

To Athan:

Quote For the poster that asked about what Anglicanism is:

Thank you for your explanation, but I wasn't exactly "asking" what it is  I'm not even sure how you got that from my statement. It seems everything these days is getting an ism at the end of it  where it once never was. I've done this to a few things before Athan  

 

And can I say that I pretty much agree with DavidC with his post in the thread.



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Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:42am

Hi Angel:

Yes, they kept insisting that Angela was not a true Christian, and that certain Christian denominations are cults. 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:54am

What has that got to do with my quiry, mishmish ?? you've just repeated yourself.

Please re-read what I said.  

 

 



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 9:58am

I wanted to know how Athan was casting doubt upon the beliefs of another member ? by stating that some groups are non christian groups. How is it different to Angela or another saying that it is part of ?

I'm sorry, what is your question.....



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:03am

oh please!

come on mishmish, surely what I have asked is not too complicated for you.

 

 

 



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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:15am

Angel,

O.K. They asked Angela her beliefs. Angela told them her beliefs. Then they said, she was lying, those weren't her beliefs because that's not what the Mormon Church teaches. Then Angela posted the tenets of the Mormon church, which confirmed what she was saying, then they said she was lying because those weren't the tenets of the Mormon church. So, not only did they ask her to tell them what she believed, as soon as she did they called her a liar and that she was not a Christian.

Since Angela is a Mormon, I think she knows the tenets of her church.

At this point Angela asked them to leave her alone, but they would not. They continued to harass her on the forum as well as sending her PMs and e-mails.

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 10:30am

Not to mention Angel, they were posting anti-mormon sites that contain misinformation and flat out false information.  Then they became offended when I said those sites lie about Mormons. 

The LDS Church faces some of the most vicious slander of any church out there.  When they posted those sites, they were no better than those that come here and post anti-muslim sites.  By taking action, the moderators actually proved their impartiality.  They treated the anti-mormon sites with the same conviction they do the anti-islamic sites that have been posted by others.

One post which was deleted that Meng put up declared that Mormons vow to avenge the death of Joseph Smith in the Temple.  Having been to the Temple on many occasions, baptisms, endowments and sealings....I can very emphatically say, Brother Joseph is NEVER spoken of in the Temple.  Now, this is what I would call casting doubt on anothers faith.  They were claiming things untrue and when countered began harassing. 

Secondly, many of the doctrines they were posting were twisted to suit their own ends.  Some were true, I didn't argue those, but with what purpose did they come here?  One had a run in with me and had numerous of her friends come here to contend with me over my beliefs.

You, David, Colin, Serv have never felt the need to "correct" me and I have always pointed out where my beliefs diverge.  They came here to preach and to contend.  This was admitted in PMs and emails.  I'm sure that had I tried to pass off the LDS beliefs as all of Christendom you would have corrected me.  So, if you hadn't previously had a problem why now?  I've before had to repeat that we are Christians with two ex Mormons who are now Muslim on this site.  That wasn't the core issue, it was just one of the many things they found to harass me with in their tirades.

I for one thing perhaps you should let this drop.  It didn't involve you, it had nothing to do with you and you did not get to see all the events.  The moderators were acting on a lot more than what you got to see.  They acted with, in my opinion, the appropriate steps of any moderator.  If you were being harassed by anyone over being Austrailian, Christian or a Woman.  I would expect them to afford you the same consideration that they did with me.



Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 2:37pm
Angela, could you identify for us those websites which claim that Mormons are taking an oathe to avenge the deaths of Joseph and Hiram Smith in the modern Temple ceremony?


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

Hi Angel:

Yes, they kept insisting that Angela was not a true Christian, and that certain Christian denominations are cults. 

 

I came in late here. Which groups did these people say were cults?



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 2:45pm

The statement did not come from a website, the websites were a different issue.  That was a claim she made in a separate post.  You can still see the edit under When in Rome, Do as Romans Do. However, the Moderators removed the comment itself.

There is no truth to the claims and I wouldn't post the sites anyway as they would obviously be full of lies.  Just as I would never post a site that made false claims about Muhammed (pbuh) or any of the other key figures in Islam.



Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 2:53pm

****This has been edited. Please keep to the topic at hand.****

If you wish more information regarding a religion other than Islam, please visit a website dedicted to that particular religion.



Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:08pm

~~~Voluntarily edited for sanity of Moderators~~~



Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:12pm

****Please keep to the original topic****

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:15pm
Angela, I have a dear friend who is a Mormon, and this is why I was amazed that a Mormon was here on this Islamic website.  I have nothing against Mormons at all.  I was simply wondering whether or not you were aware that there was, indeed, an oath taken by Mormons in the 19th century (in the Temple) that is no longer taken in the Temple ceremony at the present time.   You see, Angela, my friend and I have an on-going discussion about the differences between her beliefs and mine, and one of the books I read, "All You Ever Want To Know About Mormonism," by Ankerberg, documents this very oath. Of course, the book points out that this oath has been removed from today's rituals. I think you have misunderstood the poster you mentioned - anybody who knows about Mormonism realises that this oath has been removed.  If you have been a Mormon for only a short time, then I can understand why you are not aware of it.  However, there are Mormon sites which do deal with this very topic.  My Mormon friend would be glad to give you some resources you can contact if you want to. I mean no harm, and don't understand why my post above was edited.  Is this a taboo subject or something?  Ali


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:17pm
Ankerberg's book is Anti Mormon.  Nuff said.  Unless its written in official church literature, don't trust it.


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

~~~Voluntarily edited for sanity of Moderators~~~

Now if we could just get about 200 more of these......



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:22pm
200 more of what?


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:22pm

Mishmish,

All you need is ask, I will always comply. 

 



Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:23pm

Alibaba:

I realise that you are new to this forum, but you should keep to the original topic of any thread, and this is the comment and complaint section of the forum, not the interfaith section. Any topic that goes off thread can be closed.

Please keep to the original topic.

Thank you.

 

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:24pm
Voluntary edits.... It was a joke, but I enjoyed it...

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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:26pm
Oh, I'm so sorry.  I thought the topic was about somebody saying something about the LDS - I suppose I got it all wrong.  Forgive me friends.


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:27pm
ok


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:28pm
Are you saying that I am Chineese?


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

Are you saying that I am Chineese?


sorry I dont get it.
what chinese?


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:43pm
Meng - it is Chineese, right?


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

Meng - it is Chineese, right?

I dont know him/her.


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 3:54pm
Oh, you posted something saying you thought I was Meng and some other people.  But Meng is the only one I recall.  Meng is Chinese I think.


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

Oh, you posted something saying you thought I was Meng and some other people.� But Meng is the only one I recall.� Meng is Chinese I think.


I was just playin with u, Ignore it


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 19 April 2006 at 5:32pm
Unless is a chinese name, Meng was not chinese.


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 20 April 2006 at 8:47am

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

Originally posted by Alibaba Alibaba wrote:

Oh, you posted something saying you thought I was Meng and some other people.  But Meng is the only one I recall.  Meng is Chinese I think.


I was just playin with u, Ignore it

Yes, no problem.




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