I had just finished this rpely when Mishmish, as is her usual MO, decided to close off the topic based upon her own junevnile interpretation of the rules. This forum is over moderated and the mods are completely irresponsible.

Mishmish, talking about Christianity has nothing to do with Islam. Your rational gives away your abuse of your moderating powers. If we follow through with your thinking, then lcose the whole damn forum. If you cannot handle public debate, then step down and have someone else moderate this part of the forum. You obviously have "sensitivities

and issues", and your personal feelings get in the way with yoru job. Do your job, and stop making this site an embarresment. I am going to make a formal compaint concerning over moderating of this forum and the silly "rule interpretations" of the mods. If I get no response, I will pull my funds from this site as my payment due for the next year comes up.

PS This is an INTERFAITH discussion. Because this is an INTEFAITH forum.

Angela wrote: Kolob is not where god was born.....Ugh, I love how stupid non Mormons take Kolob completely out of context.  Kolob is not where God is born.  Kolob is the planet closest to the Throne of God.  (IE Pious and Faithful)

The hym clearly alludes to the early position of the Church of LDS.

If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye,
      And then continue onward with the speed of light to fly**,
      D'ye think that you could ever, through all eternity,
      Find out the generation where Gods began to be?

This is based upon the foundings of your book of Abraham.

http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/fac_2 - http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/fac_2

Look at Figure one.

Fig. 1. Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God.

So if we hie Kolob, we can find Gd?

angela wrote: THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM TRANSLATED FROM THE PAPYRUS, BY JOSEPH SMITH CHAPTER 3

Andulus: This is an Islamic Forum. If you don't like the rules, leave.

You cursed in the above post and ONCE AGAIN: we will not tolerate any religion bashing. You brought forth this topic uninvited for what purpose? If you feel the need to mock or denigrate differences in Christianity, go elsewhere to do it.

The Forum Title: Islamic Interfaith Dialogue  might be helpful in describing what is discussed here...

Andulus: Please read the Guidleines below and let me know which part you do not comprehend. I will try to explain them to you in a clearer fashion if necessary.

3. Use of any profanity or obscenities of any kind within a post, even disguised with *asterisks or dashes etc will either lead to editing or deleting of the entire message.

10. We will not tolerate personal attacks on participants from ANY Community (personal attacks are defined as comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion). Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion or ANY prophet of God, or ANY holy scripture shall be removed.

Mishmish wrote: Andulus: This is an Islamic Forum. If you don't like the rules, leave.

Thats a well thought out reply Mishmish. The option of "leaving" is an obvious one, and your quick "popping it out" speaks volumes about your irresponsible moderating ability. This is an Islamic forum, and and "INTERFAITH" forum. The rules are great, the problem MIshmish is no one can predict which way you will interpret them. This goes back to a question" Why have rules written when the moderation uses some kind of "zen methodology" form which to "loosley interpret them". Not only do I have a choice to leave the forum, I also have the choice to hold my membership funding of Islamcity.org this year.

Mishmish wrote:     You cursed in the above post and ONCE AGAIN: we will not tolerate any religion bashing. You brought forth this topic uninvited for what purpose? If you feel the need to mock or denigrate differences in Christianity, go elsewhere to do it.

Mishmish wrote: Andulus: Please read the Guidleines below and let me know which part you do not comprehend. I will try to explain them to you in a clearer fashion if necessary.

What I am unable to comprehend is your use of the rules. That is the problem. We all know you have them memorized, the problem is that your personal interpretation of them to fit your feelings make them "fallacious" and it defeats the prupose of having rules.

Mishmish wrote: 3. Use of any profanity or obscenities of any kind within a post, even disguised with *asterisks or dashes etc will either lead to editing or deleting of the entire message.

How old are you Mishmish? What "profanity" did I use? What part of what I posted were you unable to comprehend? I will try and explain in a clearer fashion if needed.

Mishmish wrote:   10. We will not tolerate personal attacks on participants from ANY Community (personal attacks are defined as comments that reflect upon the person instead of their opinion). Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion or ANY prophet of God, or ANY holy scripture shall be removed.

Ah my Brother,

You are the one who threatened to leave and take your funding with you. A worthy threat. Contact the owners of the Site. I am not worried. Name calling and tantrum throwing will not cause me to allow you to denigrate another religion.

I believe the rule says: "Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion"   The last time I checked, Mormonism was still a religion.

What was the public debate of your original post? In fact, I believe a number of posters asked you basically the same thing, to which you became very defensive.

You may find that my offense at profanity is juvenile, but as a Muslim and a woman I find any cursing or abusive language offensive.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, �A person might utter a single word by virtue of which Allah will raise his station; or he may utter a single word thanks to which he may be flung right into the middle of Hellfire.� He also said, �A believer is not one who is in the habit of cursing, swearing or indulging in foul or lewd talk.�

I am finished with this matter. Contact who you will and let them come and read ALL of the posts regarding this issue. I am waiting with bated breath.....

Mishmish wrote: Ah my Brother, You are the one who threatened to leave and take your funding with you. A worthy threat. Contact the owners of the Site. I am not worried. Name calling and tantrum throwing will not cause me to allow you to denigrate another religion.

I never denigrated another faith. You are "asserting" your opinion, not showing a fact. Your deragoatory use of the word "tantrum" is breaking the rules. Niether did I show one, nor did I imply one.

I give money to the site. When people come to the site, they enter into the forum to discuss some of the issues, of which some are controversial. When they see mods stacking crards in favor of the site, stifling any and hot issue, or silencing topics because the mod does not like it, then the site becomes transparent, and looses credibility. I did not "name call" either. I raised legitimate points, and if you diagree then fine, let the forum judge for themsleves, but you are "deflecting: from my points and my complaints by trying to smear it with irrelevant diatribe.

Mishmish wrote:   I believe the rule says: "Furthermore, any insults intended to ANY religion"   The last time I checked, Mormonism was still a religion.

You are asserting again. The last I looked, an assertion is baseless. I never argued that Mormonism was not a religion, and I never insulted it. Now you are building a strawman. One must stretch the rules a great deal to classify my contribution as "insulting another faith", and if you stretch that much, then you might as well shut the forum down.   

Mishmish wrote: What was the public debate of your original post? In fact, I believe a number of posters asked you basically the same thing, to which you became very defensive.

1) The establishment of the Mormon idea about the nature of Gd and the Gdhead which has changed in the last 90 years from the standpoint of "tenents", given that the founders are the true "definers", the material to first establish a solid bases is with early material, including hyms.

2) The comparison of this notion with that of Orthodoxy, and Islam.

3) The discussion of these differences.

Actually, and factually, there was no serious discussion about it, and the replies were defensive, and due to finals, I have not been able to re-initiate the thread.

First reply:

Is there a question in there somewhere?  Mormons are not considered Orthodox Christians, in case you didn't know.

My response:

You did not see a question because I did not form one in the content. Also, I did not imply anything about Christianity in general nor did I put anything in the content that would allow one to deduce any implication or sweeping generlaization.

There is not a single defensive phrase in my reply. As you can see, I made no sweeping generalizations. My contribution was a notion about the nature of Gd and a cosmological implication.

The next reply:

Bismillah,

Funny.  I never sang that one in Sunday School.  Of course, there were many others like:  Onward Christian Soldiers...

What's your point?  I guess we could do a search on Mormonism if we need any more information on the topic.

P.S.  I do consider Mormons Christians.  Please get off your bandwagon thinking that if you repeat a thing over and over again that it makes it true.

That would be considered defensive posturing. Irrelevant statements, etc, etc, all defensive in nature. Nothing about the nature of the contribution I put up.

My reply was concise.

Angels called me stupis in another reply. Defensive? Insulting?

I find nothing in any of my replies that label as "defensive".

Mishmish wrote:   You may find that my offense at profanity is juvenile, but as a Muslim and a woman I find any cursing or abusive language offensive.

No, I find your nature of deflecting from the point given to you and trying to make an issue out of a non-issue as juvenile. You did not actually show the offensive word, you simply asserted that a rule had been broken, and an assertion is baseless. I had to guess at the word you find so revolting, and that particular word that you would classify as revolting would also be juvenile. So it is pleasing Sister that you have modesty and shame and refrain from profanity, but it is nauseating that you insist on asserting that a rule has been broken and when one looks at the charge closely one finds that nothing really exists but your desire to force your personal view, which is an abuse.

Mishmish wrote: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, �A person might utter a single word by virtue of which Allah will raise his station; or he may utter a single word thanks to which he may be flung right into the middle of Hellfire.� He also said, �A believer is not one who is in the habit of cursing, swearing or indulging in foul or lewd talk.�

The Allah (swt) also taught us about misusing the religion, and misusing knowledge for personal gain. You have yet to show that I have stated anything that places me in the above category. What you are doing is deflecting. Asserting, and deflecting. The fact is, I have not broken any rule. The fact is, you over reacted, and now you are trying to use the words of the Prophet (saw) to help yourself about an issue that simply does not exist.  

Mishmish wrote: I am finished with this matter. Contact who you will and let them come and read ALL of the posts regarding this issue. I am waiting with bated breath.....

I am going to make a formal complaint, simply because my hard earned money goes to support it. And I am disappointed at how juvnile your reaction is to my desire to complain. I believe a real problem exists, and too many times I see the Christians shut out and shut up when they begin to role up their sleeves and form a decent discussion. Then a Muslim brings up a serious topic for discussion about Christians, and because you have certain feelings for a member you decide to manipulate your moderation status and play fast and loose with the rules. I am a mod at another site, and I know it is sometimes hard to stay objective, but the day I am unable to do it, I will give it up, because it makes the forum look transparent.  I do not hate you sister, nor do I dislike you, and I only replied because now you are trying to use the words of the Prophet (saw) in a way that reflects your asserted charge of me, which simply does not exist. This conversation is no longer beneficial, and you will hold on to your personal beliefs regardless of what anyone has to say. I do not want you "fired", which is not the point of any complaint I put forth. I hope the best for you and wish you the best. 

Peace be with you Sister.