When I read what the media says or listen to the radio or watch television where the subject is the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict and/or the Peace Process, they seem to be discussing different countries than the countries I recently visited. If there is 8% left of historic Palestine that would be a miracle. It is closer to 6% in terms of what the Palestinians have control over (though during curfew you are targeted for death if you so much as look out a window, and we know these curfews go on for days and weeks and sometime a month or more). Each day that passes there is less and less available to Palestinians�all they have of what little remains is taken from them.

Is this also happening in Israel to the Jews? Are their buildings being blown up by Palestinians? Are they being starved and denied water? Do attack helicopters and fighter jets bomb and strafe them? Do tanks fire into their schools? Do Palestinian soldiers blow the brains out of little Jewish children sitting at their desks in school? Is a walk down the street a nightmare, never knowing who will arrest you for looking the wrong way? Or kill you because of your ethnicity? Must Israeli Jews stop and wait at checkpoints for hours at a time and are they told to turn around and go home even when there is a medical emergency such as a heart attack or childbirth? Are Jewish Israelis subjected to having their property taken out from under them? Have their banks been robbed and their bank accounts been taken over by Palestine?

The only way to stop what is happening is to acknowledge it�not cover it up even further! It started in 1948 and continues day in and day out in a never-ending horror story.

There is no peace process. There never was. It has all been a fraud, as the building of Jewish settlements and the killing and the maiming of Palestinians has continued non-stop since Al-Nakba in 1948. (Think Lebanon in 1982�Sharon�s massacre at Sabra and Shatila refugee camps.) Yes, there are lulls, periods of "relative calm," which is when the worse damage occurs�kind of like the child's game of �red light.� You close your eyes for a few moments and see how things creep up on you. Israel is in a game called ethnic cleansing. Slow, deliberate, steady�the pressure on the Palestinians is relentless and barbaric. There are millions of Palestinians in refugee camps living in utter squalor both in and out of Palestine.

By the term Israel I mean the Zionist-controlled government.

But on the whole, the Jewish community is in denial and insists that Holocaust program are aired constantly. It is a mantra used to deflect criticism from their practices in Israel. It is entirely appropriate to counter this with what has been done to the Palestinians.

We should make a pact�a political pact. If a Holocaust program is aired, Palestinians are automatically asked to show a program about the Nakba atrocities of 1948�uncut, unedited photos of children with their guts showing and teens and moms and dads and grandmothers and grandfathers lying in a ditch and in open fields with limbs missing, some decapitated.

Yes, I am criticizing the Jewish community�those that do not look squarely at what their support of Israel is really about�with one set of laws granting rights and privileges for Jews-only while brutish military rule is enforced for the others. Many Arab Israelis�though they are Israeli citizens and pay taxes�are not permitted running water, electricity, schools, medical facilities, roads, though they may in fact put up facilities, but these are �un-permitted� as they say and so are destroyed at the whim of Israel. For the Bedouins, they�ve developed the fine art of aerial spraying of insecticides, in particular Monsanto�s Roundup. It�s a very effective chemical at killing crops, livestock and people who end up with cancer if they can�t find shelter fast enough.

And yes, I recognize (though some claim I don�t) that there are Palestinian suicide bombings, and I deeply regret the loss of any life. But Israel occupies Palestine, Palestine does not occupy Israel. This is not a fair fight. It is a 36 billion dollar military against sticks and stones and stolen weapons. And yes our government in America is also becoming rabid with a belief in our superiority over all else. Preemptive strikes are against international law�that is what Adolph Hitler did. That is why one popular poster in Europe is that of George Bush with a mustache like Hitler's because that is what the world increasingly thinks of the United States and the renewal of a Bush presidency�the slow march to Nazism.

Come on! Let�s tell it like it is! Israel�s independence was not grounded in righteousness and law but rather on a preemptive strike on the native population who (according to resolution 181, which did pass despite Arab opposition) were not to be transferred. Yet 80% of the population was driven off of 78% of their land. That is the kind of thing Hitler did, and the freshly minted Israelis said, �never again� as they inflicted a similar atrocity on an innocent people. Ethnic cleansing was justified because of their supposed rights to a land which had been Jewish when Jews were what today would be called Arabs. Abraham came out of what today is called Iraq. By today�s standards, Abraham would be called an Arab. Jesus Christ spoke Aramaic and today would be called an Arab Jew. Yet the problem with Jewish-controlled Israel is that it is �Arab-phobic.� Go figure!

But make no mistake, Palestine is the victim. When an occasional Israeli is killed, it is blow-back�the result of increased anger and frustration. Even the so-called Palestinian rockets are glorified college experiments, not guided missiles like what the Israeli military uses. Israel systematically has tortured and dispossessed the Palestinians. Under international law, as an occupied people, Palestinians have a right to resist�just as Jews had a right to resist during the Second World War, and if an occasional German civilian or Nazi got in the way, injury and death were the result. I do not like or condone any of it, but I see who is doing what to whom and refuse to blame the victim. Palestinians have also learned that Israel only respects violence. It is what has brought them to this latest so-called truce.

Under American law, I believe it is both morally and legally wrong that a State �for� Jews should be handed any U.S. money except for humanitarian purposes. There is a constitutional prohibition�the separation of church and State. If Israel encourages Jews to migrate to Israel, fine, but it is a State FOR Jews where Jews have rights and others do not. Israel is NOT a democracy. That claim is a PR ploy developed to cover-up what Israel actually does to its non-Jewish citizenry. I have seen about a dozen documentaries on this issue and gone to conference after conference and heard this discussed by many Israeli scholars and NGOs�the ones who would like to change things but never will because they are essentially without power. The government of Israel does what it will and is devoid of humanistic considerations.

Many Israelis I have listened to or spoken with have come to believe that only an external force, such as United Nations peacekeepers, or a worldwide boycott, will bring about the needed change. Many in Europe�s academic world are boycotting Israeli academia and the best of Israeli scholars are begging them to do so because conditions in the country are so bad.

They blame the problems of the country not only on Jewish elitism but extreme Arab-phobia with the white European Ashkenazi (WASPS�White Ashkenazi Sons of Pioneers) still very much calling the shots. Sure, there are a few windows of opportunity here and there and some tokenism to shut the others up. I have been told by these brave people that if there is to be peace with the Palestinians, Israel must change from within. Israel is a country out of control, with rising poverty, violence and long-standing issues of racism and discrimination that are tearing the fabric of the society apart. If Israel can heal itself, and adopt a more humanitarian attitude that the Jewish community was once upon a time respected for, then and only then will peace be possible, because Israel will be at peace with itself.

http://www.palestinetimes.net/ - http://www.palestinetimes.net/

Agreed. It actually sounds like the _real_, painful, sad, dreadful story and the writing much easier to take seriously. _This_ is the real situation that we need to fix, the real problem that needs to be solved. There's a lot of dreadful stuff going on in that region and it needs to be stopped.

Kim...

Daniel and kim especial Daniel before you give any credit to rehmat, you might like to check out these couple of links.

Unless Rehmat is Genevieve Cora Fraser, I don't believe the story is his

And there are many paragraphs missing from Rehmat's post of the story.

Should have checked the link, Imyself cannot get the story from the link but I did a search and the full title is "A midnight rant about Israel and Palestine"

http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2005/mar/mar11.html - http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2005/mar/mar11.html

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00099.htm - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00099.htm

Rehmat wrote: Have all those 'links' okeyed by Abe Foxman?

At this point, don't care  

Have ALL your links been okayed ?

Rehmat wrote: But I am an anti-Zionism - if you have not noticed as yet.

 brother,did you describe yourself from an concept opposes to islam?,wrong choice.... 

Suleyman wrote: brother,did you describe yourself from an concept opposes to islam?,wrong choice....

Don't get it - Are you saying that me being 'anti-Zionism' is equal to being anti-Islam?

Rehmat wrote: Suleyman wrote: brother,did you describe yourself from an concept opposes to islam?,wrong choice....  Don't get it - Are you saying that me being 'anti-Zionism' is equal to being anti-Islam?

 No,i was not talking about that,i was talking about your polarization moving you from the steps of the qur'an day by day in the board,loosing the large dimension of Qur'an which turns the negativity to positivity helps to earning the ambiance,your point?...your point is only throwing to stones to everyone,i say everyone because you don't know the reflection of your words on the others...i scare you will be shocked when you have realized the way you go...

Daniel Dworsky wrote: [QUOTE=Suleyman]   I think I might need a cat scan... Are you saying one can be a Muslim and a Zionist?   No. I find it a miracle when Muslims tolerate Zionism.

  No brother,the issue is different including his conjectures;if you look from the other side,the words will lost their meanings...peace....

Yes 'words' can be very 'deceptive'. 

'Yahud' could become a 'brother' of a Muslim, which is against Qur'anic WARNINGS. 

'Nasarah' can become a Christian, who take Christ as 'one of three-gods' - instead of true followers of Essa, who were known as NAZARENE.

'Yahud' could become a Jew, who follow Talmud and NOT the 'Law of Musa' - as Holy Qur'an mentions - but then these 'Torah Jews' could be 'self-hating Jews'.

http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm - http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm

Do you understand what I mean?

Rehmat wrote: Yes 'words' can be very 'deceptive'.  'Yahud' could become a 'brother' of a Muslim, which is against Qur'anic WARNINGS.  'Nasarah' can become a Christian, who take Christ as 'one of three-gods' - instead of true followers of Essa, who were known as NAZARENE. 'Yahud' could become a Jew, who follow Talmud and NOT the 'Law of Musa' - as Holy Qur'an mentions - but then these 'Torah Jews' could be 'self-hating Jews'. http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm - http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm Do you understand what I mean?

 Yes,i have understood;i have understood that you have  the stones(quotes from the islamic knowledge) in your pocket and you don't know how to put them in order;you are sincere and believed;but don't know how to move...do you need help?,we are all ready if you listen us,in that board you can't see any of a muslim supporting the Zionists;but your assumptions till to that point made us angry to u;may be you want to be the king in your area with taking us to the polarization;you love arguing,shocking the people,but islam is different...question?;do you wanna be a king or a muslim inside of us supporting each other in the capacities we have in the name of Allah?...warm invitation from me to you...almost welcome

Are you saying that I should be scared of some Zionist propagandists or the sectarians who would rather side with Kufar to insult a Muslim - just because he refused to buy their 'mis-interpretation of Deen'?

I have seen such idiots giving Allah's blessings to Saddam for gasing innocent Iranian during 1980-88 were and later the American soldiers fighting against the same Saddam Hussain.

So why should I be pleasing such fools?

Rehmat wrote: Are you saying that I should be scared of some Zionist propagandists or the sectarians who would rather side with Kufar to insult a Muslim - just because he refused to buy their 'mis-interpretation of Deen'? I have seen such idiots giving Allah's blessings to Saddam for gasing innocent Iranian during 1980-88 were and later the American soldiers fighting against the same Saddam Hussain. So why should I be pleasing such fools?

 brother,give me your hand and trust me?...you are under the effect of evil;just say Bismillah and relax...give me your hand...at the end you will insh'Allah! smile...

Let me give you something better than that - A truely non-sectarian Forum.

http://www.islamicdigest.net/v61forum/ - http://www.islamicdigest.net/v61forum/

And the best part is - you would not miss your Israeli friend on that Forum either.

Let me make this my last waste of time.

Peace and prosperity.

Rehmat wrote: Let me give you something better than that - A truely non-sectarian Forum. http://www.islamicdigest.net/v61forum/ - http://www.islamicdigest.net/v61forum/ And the best part is - you would not miss your Israeli friend on that Forum either. Let me make this my last waste of time. Peace and prosperity.

 I apologize;but my home is islamicity;enough for me...i wish you the best for your next life on the net...

Angel wrote: Daniel and kim especial Daniel before you give any credit to rehmat, you might like to check out these couple of links. Unless Rehmat is Genevieve Cora Fraser, I don't believe the story is his And there are many paragraphs missing from Rehmat's post of the story. Should have checked the link, Imyself cannot get the story from the link but I did a search and the full title is "A midnight rant about Israel and Palestine" http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2005/mar/mar11.html - http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2005/mar/mar11.html http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00099.htm - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0503/S00099.htm

Hi Angel, From the writing itself, I was aware that it wasn't Rehmat's own work, but it was a good article and much saner that the usual stuff he spouts.

Kim...