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Topic: Mary of the Quran
Posted By: Alibaba
Subject: Mary of the Quran
Date Posted: 15 May 2006 at 12:49pm

Why does Mohammed confuse Mary, the mother of Jesus, with Miriam, the sister of Aaron and Moses?  It seems to me that Mohammed got his Marys mixed up to say the very least.

"Carry the child (Jesus), she (Mary) came to her people, who said to her: 'Mary, this is indeed a strange thing! Sister of Aaron, your father was never a whore-monger, nor was your mother a harlot.'" (paratheticals added)

This vs. clearly states that after Mary gave birth to Jesus, the towns people were reproaching her for sexual sin - however, in their reproach they call her Aaron's sister. 

One authority states,

"This mistake was discerned by the Arabic Christians of Najran.  There is a record of them exposing Muhammad's mistake about Mary.  It's found in authentic Islamic writings, known as the Hadith or Traditions.  The quote is from the collection of Traditions compiled by an Islamic scholar known as Imam Muslim."

           (Is Mary the Sister of Aaron? by Silas)




Replies:
Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 15 May 2006 at 5:43pm

If Mirium, the sister of Aaron, gave birth to Jesus, I shall gladly accept that and consider her to be Mary , the mother of Jesus. Would you be Okay with that.

That is the style of Semitic languages. Remember the wife of Isaiah who was supposed to give birth to Immanuel, I can call her in Arabic as Imra'a-tul-Isaiah meaning "a woman of Isaiah".

I shall be glad to have the Genealogy of Mirium, if you can, please.

Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq and Silas are no authorities. They teach one to answer Islam.

Also, let me have Mary's father's genealogy, if you can.  Anyway, trust me it's Mary and her son who matter more to me.



Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 5:36am

Now, we go one step further since I have a little bit more time on my hands. Time on my hand? Cannot be, but that is possible in English.

Anyway, back to topic:

Qur'aan calls Mary as "Ukhta Haroon". That does not mean Haroon's real sister.

Qur'aan calls the wife of Pharoh or the sister of Pharoah as "Imra'ata Fir'aun" meaning a woman of Pharoah or a woman from the Pharoah's family.

The wives of Noah and Lot are called "Imra'at-e-Nuh" and "Imra'ate-Lut."

Qur'aan does not name any other women at all for God does not backbite or talk about women behind their backs. It does not shame any woman. One will not find the name of any woman.

Aside from the topic, Mary and her son Jesus are mentioned many times more than the name of our dear Prophet (his name is mentioned only four times in the Qur'aan). 

Our dearest Maryam (Mary) IS the only woman honoured in Qur'aan by name. Both mother and son are known by their names. We know from Essaa bin Maaryam  (Essabna Maryam meaning the son of Maryam) that Qur'an is talking about Jesus and his mother Mary.

BR

BMZ

 



Posted By: AbRah2006
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 6:56am

Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death(Deuteronomy 31:25-29).The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted.  The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.

The entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption!  "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

Conclusion: (1) The Bible contains so many errrors and contradictions so it is not a reliable source.

(2) God sends Quran to all mankind through His last messenger Muhammad to replace the unreliable Bible.



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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 7:11am

Abrah:  Produce the archeological and textual evidence for what you claim - otherwise, admit the error in the Quran.

bmz:  And some people believe that Quaker-like people live on the moon.  People will have faith in anything but the truth.

 



Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:46am

Ali Baba,

If that is the reasoning, would you consider acknowledging the Hindu Trinity? They too have three in a God-head, will you?



Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:48am
bmzp:  you must make sense when you post, otherwise I cannot respond.  Please clarify what you are saying.


Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:53am
Ali Baba: "People will have faith in anything but the truth." Got it?


Posted By: Alibaba
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:59am

Yes, bmz, I quite understand you.  However, you tend to belittle people, and to seek support from those that post nonsence which is not backed up by any verifiable facts. 

You see, bmz, it's one thing to say, Mohammed was the seal of the prophets, and quite another to prove it.  Christians believe that Jesus proved His mission and validated the results, by His resurrection from the dead.

In order to cut to the quick of Christian doctrine, non-Christians attempt to say that Jesus never died, or only appeared to do so.  Their arguments are hollow and filled with such non-veifiable baloney, that one wonders if they have any grasp of polemics at all.

Now the title of this thread deals with Mary, and Mohammed's obvious blunder in calling the Mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron.  It was a mistake, and you people have been attempting to defend an obvious mistake for the last 1,500 years.

 



Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 8:09pm

Ali Baba,

I am sorry to see you feel that way.

From you: "Yes, bmz, I quite understand you.  However, you tend to belittle people, and to seek support from those that post nonsence which is not backed up by any verifiable facts."

First and foremost, I am capable enough to discuss on my own and by now other friends and you must have noticed that I talk only from the Bible, The Jewish Tanakh and I do not quote from polemics. But when I read replies which make no sense or like you said Nonsense, then I criticise and use emoticons. Emoticons are good for my health and they are a good relief when used appropriately.  

"You see, bmz, it's one thing to say, Mohammed was the seal of the prophets, and quite another to prove it.  Christians believe that Jesus proved His mission and validated the results, by His resurrection from the dead.

That is what this forum is for! We are not here to convert each other. You make your point and we will make ours. There will be no conclusion and that is understood. I am all for a civil discussion and I am sure you have never seen any vulgarity about Jesus coming from me.  At the same time, I expect others to refrain from throwing any vulgarities on my dear and most beloved Prophet.

You can criticise Qur'aan and we will explain.

"In order to cut to the quick of Christian doctrine, non-Christians attempt to say that Jesus never died, or only appeared to do so.  Their arguments are hollow and filled with such non-veifiable baloney, that one wonders if they have any grasp of polemics at all."

I am more interested in the doctrine of Jesus direct from his mouth! I want to see the man Jesus as he explains himself in his own words, not by the words of men who debated who he was and his nature for 365-450 years. Those are all non-Muslim names.

"Now the title of this thread deals with Mary, and Mohammed's obvious blunder in calling the Mother of Jesus the sister of Aaron.  It was a mistake, and you people have been attempting to defend an obvious mistake for the last 1,500 years."

The problem is that people who are not aware of the Semitic languages and culture and know nothing about it. They just read in English and understand it as it is presented. Hebrew is the father language and two languages sprouted out from it. The Aramaic and the Arabic. We are in a better position to appreciate Hebrew and Aramaic.

I have already explained "Sister of Aaron" and that should have clarified. I will give you another example:

"Ali Baba, Oh the Son of Man, don't you understand such a simple thing?"   Now the "son of Man" or "Son of Man" or "son of man" or "Son of man" simply shows how a person was addressed. To us, it simply means "Eh! man" or "hey Man" which is commonly spoken all over the world in English.

All of us are here to argue, debate and discusss, NOT to agree with each other. It helps to know more about our religions. Take Trinity for example, todate I have not met any Christian who has fully understood it himself/herself. I have yet to find one and after discussing till the cows come back home, the final answer is "It is a matter of faith". Jesus was not a matter of faith. He was there and he spoke only of God. He was not praising himslef all the time, you know.



Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 10:50pm

Why does the Bible list the geneology of Jesus through Joseph, who was not his father?

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Matthew 1:16 Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matthew 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham unto David are fourteen generations; and from David unto the carrying away to Babylon fourteen generations; and from the carrying away to Babylon unto the Christ fourteen generations.



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 16 May 2006 at 11:15pm

Simple, Mishmish!

Honestly, I don't know why the begtting of Joseph was so important?

I think it was just to connect Jesus somehow to David, who sat on the right hand of the Lord.

I have never liked the idea that God sat on the left hand of someone.

BR & Salaam Alaikum

BMZ




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