To:  World

Muslims everywhere have found "The True Furqan" a fake and this so called Quran opposes many Islamic beliefs. In one of its ayats it describes having more than one wife as fornication, divorce being non-permissible and it uses a new system for the sharing out of the will, opposing the current one. It states that Jihad is HARAAM. This book even goes as far as attacking Allah, Subhanahu WA Tahala! The two American printing companies; "Omega 2001" and "Wine Press" are involved in the publishing of "The True Furqan." We must stop the distribution of this book. The book can also be found at: http://www.islam-exposed.org - http://www.islam-exposed.org
This site should be shutdown.

Allahu Akbar!

Sincerely,

http://new.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?q45yr679 - The Undersigned

The site should be shut down?  Hey, this is hardly a very democratic ideal.  Shut down anything you disagree with?  Well, why shouldn't Christians call for Muslim sites that disagree with Christianity to be shut down? Why, we could even take over the entire Internet and make it into an evangelizing tool. Down with everything but our own belief system!

Are you so insecure in your beliefs that everything that counters them must be "shut down," eliminated, etc.? Let Islam compete with other isms - soon enough we'll see who's right!

I love the book.  Why do you have a penguin that says you know my IP - is that suppose to intimidate people?

Do you think we should ban all sites which disagree with our own beliefs?

Alibaba wrote: The site should be shut down?  Hey, this is hardly a very democratic ideal.  Shut down anything you disagree with?  Well, why shouldn't Christians call for Muslim sites that disagree with Christianity to be shut down? Why, we could even take over the entire Internet and make it into an evangelizing tool. Down with everything but our own belief system! Are you so insecure in your beliefs that everything that counters them must be "shut down," eliminated, etc.? Let Islam compete with other isms - soon enough we'll see who's right!

There is a HUGE difference between disagreeing with a religion and forging false holy books to confuse people and cast doubt. There is nothing democratic about that, it is underhanded, sleazy, and immoral.

What would the Christian reaction be if a couple groups decided to completely rewrite the Bible changing all of the core beliefs and mocking others, then put these false Bibles out there, publicising they are correct?

I'm sure they'd welcome this with open arms...

Well, some groups have re-written the Bible.  Christianity has confronted thousands of cultic systems through-out the ages.  What I always ask for is manuscript evidence.  You should do the same if you believe the Furqan is fraudulent.

I've visited that site - the author of the Furqan makes no greater claims than did Mohammed or any other person claiming revelation.

Let the revelations compete.  I do not wish to shut down competing cultic systems or their websites.  I believe that, in the end, Truth will be triumphant.  Don't you?

Well, I find it rather hypocritcal that you see nothing wrong with a fake Quran that mocks God, but finds a thread that calls the crucufixion a lie extremely insulting to Christians....

Well, Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified. That is not a slander, that is what we believe. The word "lie" might be offensive, but the topic can be no more offensive to Christians than the threads saying Jesus is God is to Muslims. To us, that is not only slanderous, but a blasphemy and shirk. However, since almost every thread on the Interfaith section has this posted on them at least once, I would have to delete evey thread to get rid of this.

It seems only fair that if Christians come to an Islamic site and start threads about Jesus being God and the divinity of Jesus, that a thread about the Muslim belief of the crucifixion be allowed.

Now, if I were to go to a Christian website and say that the Crucifixion is a lie, that would be rude. Just as going to a Christian website and defending a false Bible would be rude. Especially if the Christians on the site were telling me, a Muslim, that the Bible was false and actually attacks God. Just the fact that the Furqan attacks God should be enough to make any Christian not want to read it. Should be...

Alibaba wrote: The site should be shut down?  Hey, this is hardly a very democratic ideal.  Shut down anything you disagree with?  Well, why shouldn't Christians call for Muslim sites that disagree with Christianity to be shut down? Why, we could even take over the entire Internet and make it into an evangelizing tool. Down with everything but our own belief system! Are you so insecure in your beliefs that everything that counters them must be "shut down," eliminated, etc.? Let Islam compete with other isms - soon enough we'll see who's right!

I hope to Allah(swt) to open your eyes and see the truth, if only you would listen to the facts of the book written by a HUMAN only to attack the Islamic beliefs and to bring only something he believes in, and the porpose of this furqan is only to try to mislead them from thier path,

"The style, language and power is exactly like the Qur'an," said Al-Mahdy. "But whereas the Qur'an has 100 linguistic and grammatical mistakes, The True Furqan will have none." ***Edited***

What are the intentions.....you tell me.........

Hi Rose,

Assalaam Alaikum and thanks for introducing the site. This could have been one of the hundreds the Lost Gospels of Jesus, written in Arabic by Furqan Maseeh.

There is no need to worry as any Muslim will know in a jiffy that it is the work of Ali Sina, Salas and Ibn Warraq.

However, it is good to tell the Muslim friends and their children. They tried similar in Malaysia and Indonesia by distributing the Bible in Arabic named, Al-Kitab. They were told to withdraw and replace with Bibles in English. Al-Kitab is banned in our region.

To those who wrote the book: O'Ye Brood of Vipers, Snakes and Defrauders, Woe to you like your Father and his Son sent the woes before!   

But after reading the Arabic text, I had a good laugh. It did sound better than the New Testament.

BR

BMZ

I personally don't care what topics are introduced and discussed, debated, argued, etc.  My shoulders are broad, I can take objections to my faith.  What I object to is the double standard, as I mentioned yesterday (and it went unanswered) as to Alibaba being called a BIGLIAR.  We are all adults here (I think) and we all know that I, as a non-Muslim, would be harshly reprimanded if I were to call a Muslim an insulting name....AS I SHOULD BE.  So why is it that particular poster is permitted to call a Christian an insulting, rude name?  That is my complaint.  All religious topics, no matter how strongly we may disagree, should be permitted, but respect toward each other is of the essence while offering our opinions and while discussing our differences.  You can have NO peace or mature dialogue if there is no parity amongst all parties involved in the discussions.

So, that being said, can someone tell me why AbRAH is still permitted to call non-muslims insulting names on this Islamic website?  No one should be permitted to do this.  And again, I will stress the fact that IF NON-MUSLIMS are just allowed to be here for the purpose of being humiliated and made fun of, this is not the website I thought it was, and certainly not one I would want to associate with further.

Any explanations?

God's Peace,

Patty

Rose said, regarding the True Farqan:

"The style, language and power is exactly like the Qur'an," said Al-Mahdy. "But whereas the Qur'an has 100 linguistic and grammatical mistakes, The True Furqan will have none."

Rose, don't you see that the author of the Farqan is challenging the Muslim assertion that the production of the Quran is the greatest evidence of Islam? The Quran itself issues a challenge to write something like it (proving Mohammed a prophet?), and the author of the True Furqan believes that challenge has been met.

Let the readers, themselves, judge.  After all, it is the Quran that issued the challenge - do you expect none will attempt to meet that challenge? 

Ali Baba,

Please ask Furqan Maseeh to point out the 100 linguistic and grammatical mistakes. I will clarify that.

In the mean time tell Al-Mahdy aka Furqan Maseeh whether he considers these types of statement correct:

" I in my Father and my Father in me".

"I and my Father are one." (In proper English, it should be "My Father and I are one."

From the man who always doubted:"My Lord, my God!" and if it is okay to have the testimony of a non-stop and persistent doubter? At least, the one who disowned Jesus when asked "Who do you think I am" replied,"You are the Son of God."

I can go on and on but this would keep Furqan Maseeh busy for ever.  By the way, his Furqan is far better in text than the New Testament, trust me as all the verses are addressed jointly by the three Gods who are One. I think Christians now have the best Scripture in their hands finally and the New Testament can be replaced.

Yes, I know that English developed in England but it has been mastered by others, including yours truly.

You see my comment was : "I and my Father are one." (In proper English, it should be "My Father and I are one." ) If you have studied proper grammar, then you know it an improper way of saying that.

Even the Queen will always say,"MY husband and I......". You will never have heard her say, "I and my husband.....".

But you included that wrongly with "I in my Father and my Father in me.", which I did not ask for. That was for Furqan Maseeh to look into. Jesus is simply asserting that he belongs to God. Father and son can never be one entity.   

Ali Baba,

I have not come across any grammatical errors in Qur'aan.

Please quote me or point out to me the so-called grammatical mistakes or errors. You may ask Furqan Maseeh, the writer AlMahdy to state the 100 errors. That is what I meant.

Perhaps bmzp, you'd like to take a look at this article and let me know if you agree or not (which I already know):

***Edited***

13. We request you not to post URLs of sites the sole existence of which is to slander a religion or spread lies about it. Even if the intention is good. Doing so means promoting the site for free.

Okay, I give up.  What is the True Furqan - sounds weird.

Furqan means Distinction.

Qur'aan is also called Furqan which distinguishes itself from other books in style and explanation. Anything form God that makes a clear distinction in the Scriptures can come under Furqan.

For example it is written in the Jewish Scriptures/Jewish Bible, the Christian Old Testament and the New Testament that all shall worship only the Lord God with their hearts, minds and souls. The Qur'aan repeats that and distinguishes it as a Furqan, a clear distinction of truth.

Hope this helped.

BMZ

Assalam Aleikum.

Not to worry. The work has been around for a while now, and only seems to impress missionaries who will howl that the challenge of the Quran has been met (never mind that they have no clue about basic Arabic grammer nor do they realize that the author, Anis Shorrosh, is clueless about Classical Arabic grammer, but that does not seem to bother him when people are convinced he is some kind of expert). The work is so bad that Muslim scholars, or for that matter, scholars in general have not paid it any serious attention. It is the invented work of a belligerent missionary.

PS I saw him in a debate, and he was unable to even correctly recite the Quran, yet he claims he has met the challenge of the Quran with this breath taking classic .

Do not worry about the piece.

Rose wrote: To:  World Muslims everywhere have found "The True Furqan" a fake and this so called Quran opposes many Islamic beliefs. In one of its ayats it describes having more than one wife as fornication, divorce being non-permissible and it uses a new system for the sharing out of the will, opposing the current one. It states that Jihad is HARAAM. This book even goes as far as attacking Allah, Subhanahu WA Tahala! The two American printing companies; "Omega 2001" and "Wine Press" are involved in the publishing of "The True Furqan." We must stop the distribution of this book. The book can also be found at: http://www.islam-exposed.org - http://www.islam-exposed.org This site should be shutdown. Allahu Akbar! Sincerely, http://new.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?q45yr679 - The Undersigned http://www.palestine-info.info/arabic/terror/alfikr/forqan.htm -