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plz...have a look on the pictures...they speak louder than words!

La hawla wa la qowwata ella bellah..

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-06/10/01.shtml - http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-06/10/01.shtml

US: Israel has right to defend itself

The US expressed support for Israel Friday night after apparent Israeli artillery fire caused the death of at least 12 Palestinians on a Gaza coast beach.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that Israel had the right to defend itself, especially while terrorists were attacking it.

However, McCormack added that Israel must consider the results well and do what was necessary to prevent harming innocent civilians.

Daniel Dworsky wrote: Two things 1. Israel has the right to defend itself from a clear and present danger. It does not have the right to exact revenge on or assassinate elected officials. Besides being just plain wrong It's a bloody stupid thing to do. I am embarrassed as both an Israeli and as an american. 2. The IDF is not taking responsibility for the missile attack on the beach in Gaza. The word is that there is a possibility that the attack was not only indeed an accident but that it was not from the Israeli side at all. As much as I'd like to believe this I won't believe it until we get a statement from the Pal coroners with samples of the shrapnel (there is a difference between mine shrapnel and missile shrapnel) as well as a photo describing the shape of the single crater on the beach. (elliptical =missile whereas a circular crater=mine) So far witnesses/survivors at the scene say that there was not a "shelling" but a single explosion that may in the end prove to have been a mine. That is a mine meant to protect sovereign thinking Palestinians from israeli invaders. ironically placed by Hamas. In the end it doesn't entirely matter who is right or who is wrong. When civilians suffer we can all share in the blame. I don't know yet but I'm making calls so watch this space. The best metaphor I can think for this situation is that of a very rocky marriage. As two adults with small children may hate the sight of each other and are on the way to divorce court they still both have an obligation to protect their children from each other's issues.

Bismillah,

Um Taq, Thanks for the information. JAK

Daniel,

Allah bless you and your family and please keep us informed of what you discover.

Peace

I watched a clip about this on http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/   I can't get the direct link but its something like A Girl's Painful Secret.  Go watch it.

The poor thing.  How many children have to die on both sides before people start treating each other like human beings.

Daniel, God bless you and your family.  We're glad to see you're okay.  Thanks for the on the ground reporting. 

I posted the American response as a very sad ironic aside.

I am sorry but I think Israel does not have to right to anything as it stole the land of Palestinians (Palestinians being arabs, Muslims but also jews and christians).

I also think that this happens all the time and there are protests from people only when it is shown on TV.

Daniel, what do you think of Neturei Karta, they are Orthodix Jewish who claim that israel does not have the right to exist? see link below:

http://www.nkusa.org/ - http://www.nkusa.org/

Palestine, don't you worry. We Algerians got rid of the French after 132 years!!

No matter how many tears they shed, they left! Only the ones who fought with us were allowed to stay as they showed they were real Algerians.

Shame they did not do the same in South Africa. The situation has not changed at all for the Black brothers and sisters. They should have done like us...

FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA, PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!!!

I like them, at least they have no blood on their hands. They fear God. They follow their religion and get on very well with all the Muslims.

Be respectful with the way they dress, please. I would not like it if you criticised a sister with a veil. In the same way, I will ask you to respect my cousins from Neturei Karta.

What about becoming Palestinian? (religion and ethny is a private matter) Obviously, you would have to redistribute land and access to water.

Thanks

To be honest, I did not undertstand anything to your first paragraph, Daniel. I do not know who John Bellushi is. Remeber I am not in US.

This is the thing Daniel. Israel was created based on the fact that jews (ethnical or religious group) had the right to go there simply because they were jews! It's like South Africa; a white person will have rights that Black people will not, simply because they are white! What is the difference to nazism, or fascism? Now you undertsand why there is a special relationship between Israel and South Africa. Their societies were both based on a sort of Apartheid.

There were Jews who were palestinians and they never thought they were any different. If a jewish person wanted to live in Palestine, they could have emigrated there, become palestinian, work to buy a land and be part of society, just the way you do it in civilised countries.

If you can separate the ethny/religion and the nationality, the problem is resolved, but if you based the nationality and the rights given to citizens by their belonging to an ethny or a religion, this is where the problems start. This is where the genocide starts.

My cousin, why do you think they started a war in Algeria? Because only Jews were given the french citizenship that allowed them to benefit from special rights. All the Muslims (as they called them) were not given that citizenship. Yet, we have to slave for the French (the ones who emigrated and many were actually europeans, the mother of Albert Camus was Spanish, and the Jews who were algerians). They divided to reign as they usually do. The British did the same in Palestine.

I ask you to read in search of fatima by ghada karmi because she was actually there when it all started. I recently read this book and it is so interesting. Antisemitism comes from europe, we never had any problems in Arab countries with any religious groups. I went to Syria and they were so many religions there including jews. They were all nice and they are all syrians. Why divide them?

Well obviously, you are clever enough to know the answer.

let me know what you think of the book if you decide to read it.

There is another book written by a french woman who married a jew who died during the second world war, and who finally converted to islam. She says if anyone from the monotheist religion practices truthfully their religion, we all meet in the centre of the wheel. That is why the people from Neturei Karta who dedicate their life to God and to their religion do not want to take part in the genocide that is Israel. They agree that the most important is not this life, or the power you get, but being right and dying being right.

Take care,

Muslima

Bismillah,

My children's family are in Phalasteen.  Their aunts, uncles, cousins.  Any of them could die like this any day there.  I couldn't stand it when we visited there years ago.  The oppression was thick in the air, making it hard to breathe without shouting.

Daniel, we need to get a group together to honor our honorary Phalasteeneeyeen like you!

(We think this is even more prestigous than an honorary PHD from Harvard or UNM.)

Peace

I think we need a group to get all Israelis out. Honour will not help feed the poeple starving and dying there....

Sister Herjihad, never forget that at the end of the day, they are on our land killing our people, killing children. Maybe Daniel feels sorry about this but has he left? No!

Keffer is keffer!

To Ak_m, InshAllah, we will be stronger and we can change things.

To daniel, I have seen some movies taken by israelis who were protesting against teh settlers and were being insulted as :Arab-lover (like negro-lover if you see what I mean) and so on.

I appreciate your efforts. At least you are taking the risk to change hings. Once again, I have no intention of supporting killing for the sake of it but you have to understand some people have to fight back because this is an occupation, and no one ever forbade you to emigrate to Palestine and be a palestinian jew.

if you are there, please try and help regarding the water issue, jobs issue, medication issue.

I believe that although we cannot change things necessarily 9at least on the short term), not trying to change things make us guilty in front of God.

Good luck!

Daniel,

A keffer is a non-Muslim and the reason why I said that at the end of the day a non-Muslim is a non-Muslim is because politically our interests are not the same and very few people do what you do.

I have a british friend who has been working with the Palestinian Solidarity campaign and they were lots of Jewish people who were there to undermine her workbe cause deep down they were zionists. They were Ok to do meetings and things like this but as soon as a real project was on its way to get funds and actually change things, they would destroy it. So she left.

I think a lot of people as well are happy to help people as long as it means that nothing changes for them. the problem is that what they have has to be given back, land has to be redistributed etc...So it has to affect them, but when it comes to real changes, no one agrees to share. just like in South African where nothing has changed for many many people.

My maiden name is Mellott....I can trace my line to Champange, France where my ancestory Josias Merle was born in 1598.

Does that qualify me for French Benefits?