The Betrayal of Peter
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Topic: The Betrayal of Peter
Posted By: Mishmish
Subject: The Betrayal of Peter
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 8:06pm
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I have a question about the betrayal of Peter. Peter was one of the three disciples who witnessed the Transfiguration of Jesus, and who actually heard the voice of God, yet he still betrayed Jesus? I find this astounding. I am also wondering why God identified Jesus as His son, not Himself. This would have been a perfect opportunity, He was speaking directly to Jesus' disciples. Matthew 17:1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 17:2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light 17:3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. 17:4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters�one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!" ------------- It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince) |
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Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 8:33pm
| Mishmish.....hence LDS theology. Nuff said. |
Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 10:54pm
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You know you'll probably be in trouble now... ------------- It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince) |
Angela wrote:Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 11:56pm
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Mishmish, you are asking for speculation? The questions you are asking have no authoritative answers. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 14 June 2006 at 3:08am
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"17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"" It is speculation. There were three of them. Elijah, Moses and Jesus. Could have been Elijah or Moses. I am not sure. But please remember that Jesus told them not to tell anyone. They listened to him. |
Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 14 June 2006 at 4:05am
That's true BMZ, I suppose it could have been any of the three. I guess we would also have to add the three disciples, along with the whichever two Prophets were not meant, to the list of those who have had God speak directly to them. David, I was just thinking that God has spoken to or sent messages to many Prophets and Messengers, all of whom did as He ordered. It is God speaking to them. But these three men hear the voice of God, ostensibly identifying Jesus as His son, and then they betray Jesus or run the first chance they get. I don't get it. I assume the story of the Transfiguration is to lend credence to the divinity of Jesus, but it actually causes more questions in my mind. Why would these men, hand picked by Jesus, and supposedly in the company of just a handful of men throughout history to have ever directly heard God speak to them, just fall apart when Jesus needed them the most? If Jesus were God incarnate, wouldn't he be a better judge of character? ------------- It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince) |
Posted By: AnnieTwo
Date Posted: 14 June 2006 at 4:21am
Men are human, Mishmish, complete with human traits, such as fear. You only need to look at Moses and David to discover that they were not perfect and made mistakes, too, and they were two of the greatest prophets. The important thing to remember in regard to Peter is that he became one of Jesus' staunches supporters after he saw Jesus after he was resurrected from the dead. Annie ------------- 14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4 |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 14 June 2006 at 6:49am
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The Apostles were certainly imperfect people. There is plenty of biblical evidence that they just did not "get it". Peter in particular was not a stable individual and tended to emotional extremes. This changed at Pentecost, but before then the Apostles were often incredulous. Just like Mishmish and BMZ  ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |