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Topic: Christianity Today article
Posted By: DavidC
Subject: Christianity Today article
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 2:27pm
Mainstream Christian press article on Islam.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/006/29.38.html - http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/006/29.38.html


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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.



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Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 2:44pm
Its so hard to get ahold of fair and balanced work on any side of the stream.  It seems the evangelical set are less interested in scholarship and more interested in showing everyone outside of their belief set in the worst possible light.  They do it to us too.


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 3:28pm
I actually found this article rather offensive. Was it meant to be?

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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 3:36pm

I think it was meant to say that the majority of Books by Christians about Islam are full of misinformation.  Considering it was a Christian publication.  I wouldn't expect it to be entirely defensive of Islam, but it did its best to at least show that the books themselves cannot be trusted for correct information.

 



Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 3:53pm
No comment from me yet.  I haven't even had a chance to read it .

I posted the link because I assume most members would be interested in what mainstream Christian press is running.  Assuming most Muslims do not have a subscription to Christianity Today .  It's like the People Magazine of Christianity - big, not too deep.




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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 3:54pm

"True, the Qur'an does lack integrity,"

"Islam has an undeniable dark side"

"puts Islam in a positive light whenever possible" 

"True, Muhammad was as much a sinner as anyone"

These are quotes from the author of the article, not the books, and they are extremely offensive. I expect ignorance from most of the Evangelicals out there, and sensationalism to try and sell their books, but even in pointing out the fallacy of these books the author cannot help but demean Islam.

Why do Christians hate Muslims so much? Seriously. Most of them wouldn't know a tenet of Islam from a hole in the ground. They have probably never even talked to a Muslim, yet they are filled with hatred and vileness. The dark side of Christianity I guess.

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 6:27pm

DISCLAIMER:::  THE FOLLOWING RESPONSES ARE NOT MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY AN EXPLAINATION OF A VIEWPOINT.

Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

"True, the Qur'an does lack integrity,"

Though, I consider this false.  The Quran denies Jesus's death and divinity.  I'm sure his viewpoint on this statement is reflective of that.

"Islam has an undeniable dark side"

Whether 99% of Muslims believe it or not.  There are some very evil men who have hijacked your religion.  They use your scriptures to justify their behavior and claim to be doing their deeds in the name of your religion.  This is the dark side.  They are able to find justification in the Quran and Hadiths.  This is their misconception of Islam, but it marks Islam and marrs it.  This is a sad, sad thing.

"puts Islam in a positive light whenever possible" 

Obviously, the author is as uneducated about Islam except in the way that allows for being an apologetic.

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:

When we critique Islam, we need to be fair and accurate. Those of us who make Muslim-Christian comparisons must do so from a position of informed engagement, as those who have worked with Muslims. When we review historical tensions between the two faiths, we must apply rigorous historical analysis. When we write about Islam, we must remember that love is the greatest apologetic.

"True, Muhammad was as much a sinner as anyone"

They say this same thing about Joseph Smith.  Anyone who teaches counter to what they believe is sinning.  Anyone who teaches contrary to mainstream Christianity is obviously a sinner.  Which in my opinion is complete and utter trash.

That is why I made the comment that it really hard to find Book about Islam or that are a comparison of Islam and other religions that are not in some way tainted, biased and full of misinformation.

Oh well.  When Billy Graham's son calls Islam a Satanic religion, how can we expect any less from other evangelical christians?



Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 6:51pm
someone give me a summary.... too long to read......


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 7:38pm

O.K. Let's say that our religion has been hijacked.

Who has hijacked Christianity? Where are the Christians who live as Christ taught? I mean, really live as Christ taught.

Remember, there is a long list of criteria here:

Worship only one God

Love thy neighbor

Do not bear false witness

Throw away worldly goods, remember it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle

Turn the other cheek

Not living by the sword

No commiting adultery

No commiting murder

The meek shall inherit the earth

Give in charity, as long as one of you are hungry all of you are hungry

etc....

Where are the true Christians?

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

Where are the true Christians?




long gone. You will find them if you can go back into the time of Jesus (PBUH).


Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 16 June 2006 at 10:26pm
Mishmish, would you be offended - or even surprised - to read these statements in a popular Muslim magazine?

"True, the Bible does lack integrity,"

"Christianity has an undeniable dark side"

"puts Christianity in a positive light whenever possible" 

"True, Paul was as much a sinner as anyone"


I have heard all those statements (and worse) made here in one form or another and do not find them offensive.  I expect Muslims to have a different viewpoint. 



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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 12:18am

"True, Paul was as much a sinner as anyone"

Shouldn't that be Jesus? Perhaps this would be a bit more offensive, yet closer to what we feel.

 



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: Angela
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by Mishmish Mishmish wrote:

O.K. Let's say that our religion has been hijacked.

Who has hijacked Christianity? Where are the Christians who live as Christ taught? I mean, really live as Christ taught.

Christianity's sins are well documented.  The Crusades, the Inquistion, the Dark Ages, the destruction of Native Cultures all over the world. The fractures and the schisms that have given risen to 1000s of denominations.  The Great Apostacy.

Remember, there is a long list of criteria here:

Worship only one God

Trinitarians do believe in one God.  However, I would argue the same thing that Muslims argue.  Corruption of the scriptures.

Love thy neighbor

Many of us do this....not all. 

Do not bear false witness

Lying is a sin, in any faith

Throw away worldly goods, remember it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle

Greed is the tool of the Devil, there are many who are weak in this one.  But, hey, so are their Muslims, Jews and Buddhists who succumb to this sin.

Turn the other cheek

Yep, this one gets lost by alot of people to...

Not living by the sword

This is one WE CAN ALL USE!!!!!!  Remember, thou shall not Kill!

No commiting adultery

I don't have a problem with this one. 

No commiting murder

Again, this is straight across the board.

The meek shall inherit the earth

The meek....that's after the apocalypse....the non meek are going to hell from what I understand.  Remember, its supposed to get really, really, really bad before it gets better.

Give in charity, as long as one of you are hungry all of you are hungry

This is the Law of Tithing (zakat), thus again, I don't have a problem with this.

etc....

Where are the true Christians?

 

Where are the True Christians, they are out there.  They are out there just like the Good Muslims and Good Jews. 

Can you understand that perception is everything.  All you see are adulterous greedy hypocrites in the Christians.  Why?

The Media.  Hollywood and Liberalism.

Wow, now what's the cause for Most people seeing only the evil in the Islamic community.....

The media, Hollywood and Conservative pro Bush automatons.

When anyone does something in the name of others and gets vocal enough about it, the other side seems to think that's the way things are.....You ask those questions.  The answers are the same as what you give me when I ask the questions. 

 



Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 5:34pm
Hi Mishmish,

Yeah, Jesus would be OK but with the Muslim belief in the inerrancy of prophets I doubt it would come up in that way.  I know a lot of Muslims feel that way.  People being confused about my religion is something I expect - to offend me, somebody has to get personal.

I'm sure you have had to straighten out a few anti-Christian Muslims just like I have had to stick up for Islam on quite a few occasions.  I also imagine we have misstated things about each other's religions in those discussions, but I imagine the larger truth is advanced.


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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.


Posted By: Mishmish
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 5:52pm

David and Angela:

My religion is very personal. It is the basis of my life. Every action I take every day is anchored in Islam. I am aware that every thing I say, every action, every deed is recorded and will be brought to witness for or against me on the Day of Judgement. There is no aspect of my life that is free of Islam.

Perhaps this is why Muslims are more easily offended. And why most non-Muslims just don't understand.



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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)


Posted By: BMZ
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 6:14pm

David and Angela,

Usually I do not praise people in front of them but when I do it is in the form of a beautiful "backbite".

I don't have to say anything about you two.

Best Regards

BMZ

 



Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 6:58pm

Mishmish asked:

"Why do Christians hate Muslims so much?"

Authentic Christians don't hate Muslims at all, Mishmish.  They don't hate anyone.  Anyone can call themself a "Christian" and not really know what it means to be one.  That is the very sad story about Christianity for so many people.  This call themselves Christians because they don't know what else to say they are.  But they are clueless as to what being a true Christian/Catholic means.

It is a grevious sin to hate another human being, or to disrespect their faith.  There is NO excuse for this behavior toward another person.  I feel ignorance plays a big part.  I have been greatly disrespected for being a Catholic.....I have learned to "kick it to the curb".  I know what I believe, and no one can cause me to lose my faith.  Jesus knew we would face insults and abuse.  He warned us while he was still here on earth.  So I more or less expect it, and I don't allow it to consume me....hurt a little, yes.  But worth the pain, ABSOLUTELY!

May Peace be always with you.....



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Patty

I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future.



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