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Posted By: herjihad
Subject: pics of Israeli girls writing ..
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 5:54am
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Bismillah, I think we should get this picture seen by as many people as possible as quickly as possible. I saw another angle of this picutre yesterday, but these clearly show happy-go-lucky Israelis, girls, a woman in civilian clothes walking by with a casual smile, soldiers, and the words the girls are writing are in Hebrew and English. The English words say From Israel (From Danielle) with love or something like that. And Jazzak Allah Khayr to the person from IC who sent me this link. Salaamu Alaykum EDIT: I followed some other links in this man's site and didn't want them on an Islaamic website from my post especially, so I deleted his link. Salaams. Brother AKM, you could post a link here if you like as I've become very busy lately and the email notification is so moody and mercurial. ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 7:46am
| posted in other thread |
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 11:31am
| I can't get these pictures,it is an custom from the First Iraq War that writing words on missiles and bombs mean cursing to where it benn thrown...they are cursing not sending love messages... |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 2:00pm
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Assalamu alaikum, Here is the link to where it is posted in this forum: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5976&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5976& ;PN=1 Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 2:02pm
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Wa Alaykum Salam Sister Ummziba, Your pic proves me,this little girl's minds are occupied so sad... |
Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 21 July 2006 at 7:14pm
| It was in the front page in major newspapers 2 days ago. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 6:27pm
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It's worse than you know but you can do something about it.
Write letters to your representatives. Be kind to one another. Do not allow your mind to be clouded with hatred. Making peace is dangerous and hard. You make enemies of people who are ignorant and afraid. Be very careful how you argue. Make sure that your facts are straight. Remember that given the chance most of us are very generous and loving people regardless of our various religions and the severity of our ancient rules. As governments and institutions we generally run a constant risk of being pretty nasty. That's also natural That's how we all protect ourselves from one and other. Individually we are mostly wonderful. It's going to get really awful over the next few weeks possibly months. Remember who you are and start from there. The whole world needs you me, us at our best right now. Peace Kindness Tolerance and Love That's how we are going to save the world. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 7:04pm
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I just saw the pictures you were talking about. Horrible. I had heard but to
see it is very hard. The little girl writing on that shell is not aware of the horror of which she is a part. |
Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 22 July 2006 at 11:27pm
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Dear Daniel, You are absolutely correct. Peace has to come from the common, average individual. There is, quite simply, no other way. Peace be with you always....... ------------- Patty I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future. |
Daniel Dworsky wrote:Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 6:11am
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I got an education today. I went into Haifa to take care of Joey's American
Passport. I was north bound passing the hospital when the sirens went off. We had no time. The ground was lurching with the waves of the first impacts south bound motorists ran toward us caught in the open. we just reached a car dealership when evrything started exploding around us I made Joey lay down between a wall and a pillar and sheilded him the best I could with my own body. A soldier maybe two years older than my son appeared out of nowhere and shielded him the same way from the other side. Yellow Smoke was coming from the hits and police and ambulances were converging from all directions. We ran back to the car I drove three blocks pulled over and we just held each other. I'm still going to the demonstration in Haifa by the Dan Panorama tonight against this war. This is what civilians in Lebenon and Palestine are experiencing every day and worse but when I felt my sons heart beating under me and looked in to the eyes of that young soldier who was willing to use his own body as a shield to help me save my son, I felt defiant and proud that I am a Jew and that I was a soldier in the IDF because folks this is what its about. That and I was also thanking Allah I hadn't wet my pants I respect Islam You are beautiful and neccessary. I do wish we could all just talk about our differences instead of hurting each other. |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 6:55am
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Daniel, I am so glad that you and your son survived that close call. Don't be like so many others and let the emotion of the moment grow hatred inside of you - far too many are letting this happen. And certainly if we could all just talk about our differences as people, one to one, it would be a different world.... Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 7:12am
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I also wish that we had soldiers like that... Muslim soldiers, regardless of their color race or country of origin... united in cause... May Allah send us some through our own effort.
------------- MOCKBA |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 8:09am
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Bismillah, We are all very happy that you and Joey are safe. We will pray for your continued good health along with that of the Lebanese and Gazzans. This might seem confusing to some for us to pray for both sides to be safe, but I'm sure that Allah, The All-Knowing can work it out. I pray that all of the weapons malfunction immediately. Hey, it could happen. How do you feel about your statement that I bolded above today? Who do you think should protect the Lebanese people? Israel should stop bombing. America should stop sending new and improved weapons, but who should help the Lebanese after the bombing stops? Maybe Israel for a start. Just a thought. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:05am
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I am glad that I have the right to speak as a former soldier. My words
have more weight. No one can call me a coward. I know that a soldiers job is to put ones self in harms way for civilians all civilians I just got back from the demonstration. The police let a bunch of hoodlums loose on us like dogs. I blocked a few blows let a 200 kilo one armed man rip up my sign that said "Beirut and Haifa want to live" I took my wife and went home. I am proud of that soldier that came to my sons aid earlier today. I'm proud of the soldiers (my students) that pull reserve duty in Palestine and keep the regular army out of mischief. As far as feeling defiant... Well... Feeling defiant is a nice substitution for not wetting ones pants. I was on the verge of total panic today and I had to shake it off. It lasted three blocks. What else you wanna know? |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:13am
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How ARE you? There is nothing like a darn good scare to really shake up one's inner solitude. Be sure that you and your son take plenty of opportunity to talk about what happened...don't let it fester inside (though I think you won't, you don't seem that kind And, do you think the demonstration made any difference to anybody? Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:17am
I think we all have soldiers like that. Soldiers start off and end up (hopefully) as people. :D We just have to keep reminding ourselves of this stubbornly. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:24am
I never think these things make a difference at the time and just between you and I. Activists are the most excruciatingly obnoxious people in the world. I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than ever spend a minute longer than I have to with these people... Have you ever tried to actually talk to a communist? Oy a broch... Thats sort of a Mega "Oy Vey" In any case as my wife says, "somewhere in the universe it is written that I stood up and said that I thought thyis was a load of bullsh--" So there it is. |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 11:32am
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Well Daniel, I am glad that there are people in the world who do stand up and say things that need to be said. And, as for spending time with annoying people, even "oy a broch" doesn't express the rising urge to exit to another universe one feels in their proximity! You will be O.K. Thanks for persevering amongst the annoying on behalf of those of us who don't. Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 12:02pm
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HerJihad Umziba Suleyman
I just got this off of Al Jezera http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak= null Your thoughts please. I was in total shock |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 12:59pm
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Daniel, Well, I watched the video. I was not shocked. I have certainly seen secular people spout this kind of ***** many times (they even visit here on occasion!). The video was very badly edited. I wonder where it came from, who is behind it and what the entire interview was like? There are many, many forces at work causing mischief amongst human kind these days - trying very hard to divide and conquer. Stuff like this video usually does the trick... Which al-jazeera did you find it on .net or .com? The first is legit, the second is a propaganda tool of Uncle Sam. What exactly about it did you find shocking? Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 1:01pm
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Bismillah, What shocked you? The fact that she is an anti-religionist or anti-Muslim or an anti-Arab Arab woman? Her so-called facts were skewed and incorrect. Her position will only bring more hardship and hatred to people. There are many scientists of different religions and nationalities all over this world. What is she talking about? Some people in the west mistreat their women in backward ways just as some Muslim men do. There are mysogynistic men spread out pretty evenly all over this earth. Why is she insulting the Arab Culture? It sounds like she is trying to get attention by having an innovative position, but it is just more hatred and disrespect from an ignorant person to me. Your clip didn't show the man's speech. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 25 July 2006 at 2:48pm
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All the above shocked me. I felt as if she were scolding me personally for
being a post zionist. It was spooky how much she sounded like my poor dead mother. That clip/site seems to be edited as we speak. When I first saw it there were two men one calling her a heretic and another who was the host of the program. We just threw an Al Jezera guy in jail here for "verifying the positions of missile strikes." He's probably out already because our own press guys here are guilty of that stuff all the time and they had no problem pointing that out over the air. Law forces everywhere are populated by boys and girls who want to be policemen when they grow up. This is a job for responsible adults. You'd be hard pressed to find one on any police force. My cousin is a police psychologist and he has his hands full. |
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 26 July 2006 at 11:18am
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Sorry brother,i could not open but i can imagine what can be... |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 12:58pm
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It was this Secular Arab woman saying things about Islam that if she was
Jewish I would have begged her to be silent. She made these sweeping generalizations that you hear from little old men arguing in Yiddish. It was so bizarre that I thought it was a joke. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 8:54pm
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Bismillah, Well, she was attacking Arabs in general and Christian and Muslim Arabs in particular and said she was a human secularist. Then she praised Jewish scholarship saying that they account for most of the up-dated knowledge and science in the world. Something like that. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:00pm
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I liked and used her line "Believe in what ever stones you wish, Just don't
throw them at me" I was thoroughly entertained. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 02 August 2006 at 9:01am
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Daniel, I have been thinking of the pictures of Israeli girls writing
messages on bombs for a few days. These pictures have been published in so many different places on the web. And I want to know; is it possible at all, do you think, to actually find those girls and show them the photos of other Lebanese little girls who are dead. Dead in their father's/mother's arms? I really think learning this kind of lesson early is vital. Unfortunately, children everywhere quickly learn the hatred and violence their parents transmit to them and their surroundings teach them. Put 12 Israeli and Palestinian/Lebanese children together in a play group and I bet they won't all tear at each other's eyes. Only if an adult tells them to. And on a seperate note: I am disheartened to learn how obnoxious activists can be, thank you for putting up with that and taking a stand! PEACE |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 02 August 2006 at 2:32pm
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No. I would not show them graphic photos. I don't understand what or
how children were doing close to ordinance let alone writing on it. The officer in charge will be serving at least a month in the can for this. Any soldier who defaces army property here goes to jail or cleans toilets for a week. If it makes you feel any better, starting next week anyone handling ordinance can expect to raise the chances of contracting cancer by 50 as Bush will be providing us with depleted uranium shells. I saw footage today of Hezbollah firing rockets from a hospital as well as from apartment courts in upper middle class residential areas. Hezbollah have also set up road blocks obstructing refugees from leaving areas that were leafleted and designated for bombardment. Can someone explain that to me? It seems we are in competition regarding how much carnage we can purchase from each other. This is all so senseless. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 03 August 2006 at 6:27am
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Indeed Daniel, no matter what the ideology behind the carnage, it is
wrong. Death does not solve anything, killing only spawns more killing. But desperation is its own master. I agree with you up to a point, showing graphic images of death and blood to young children is not my first choice as an educational prop either! But look how many children and young impressionable adults see it IN REAL LIFE daily, in Palestine, Iraq and now Lebanon. Nobody thought to protect them from such trauma. Why should the girls who wrote on those bombs be prevented from seeing images of the results? Their mother's should ask them: "Would you like to see where your bomb fell?" Children are both impressionable and resilient, and maleable. That's why we have to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak, and show them the consequences of their actions Nevertheless, you can see such images on the front page of Spanish newspapers. My daughter was very intrigued by the pictures of the girls writing on the bombs, it was very hard to explain to her what it was about. She's 4. Days ago, she also saw the photo on the front page of a father running through the streets of Gaza holding his dead child in his arms and I lied to her, telling her he was hurt but going to the hospital. It would perhaps have been better to really talk about how bad people sometimes cause such terrible things and tell her in more detail. But it is beyond her. It is beyond me, except that I have been seeing it all my life and so it has become something 'normal' when we should all be finding it abnormal. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 04 August 2006 at 2:37pm
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Let them be children as long as possible. I hate that I was exposed to
archive footage of the the holocaust at 6 years old. Tonight I realized yet again that my beliefs in equality democracy and human rights define me as an anti-zionist. A song that brings tears to my eyes when I hear it called "The Hope" (National Anthem of Israel) has a racist line in it. I wrap my mind tightly around all of it and do the right thing. Emotionally It all feels wrong no matter what I do. How can so many of the people I love be unwittingly flirting with Fascism. The ghosts of my own relatives among the six million who perished scold me in my dreams. Really they do. The funerals and Shiva calls have started for my past and present students or in some cases their fathers and Nasralla the moron is trying to hit my house with chinese missiles. It's job security. If more people thought as I do - he'd be out of a job. It's personal. I knew it. Hey Nasrallah you look like a Goth version of the stay puff marsh mellow man! Bite me. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 11:19am
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Bismillah, Yes, isn't it so funndy that we often want to do, or are somehow compelled to do the opposite of our parents! And we think that it's because THEY were wrong. But when my kids say, "That was you mom. Our lives are different," when I'm trying to give them an ever-so-important hard learned life lesson. So I'll be bold and say I understand really your point of view. It's yours. Keep it. I just will say that I believe in letting kids know what's going on in the world without making them share responsibility because they are kids. But our bombs are making those babies die and children become crippled or orphans. I want my kids to know, and they are old enough now anyway. But when they were younger, I would expose them pictorally and verbally to as much truth as I thought that they could handle with the belief that if those kids could live through it, my kids could know about it in a meaningful way that would make them think about other people's suffering enough to want to do something to stop this madness when they are older. It hasn't worked yet though. I'd like to take them there personally. I think a trip to Lebanon would be much more valuable than a trip to Disney. But that's just me. Your kids are living through it. Sheltering kids who have to live through it is a different matter, isn't it? They've seen plenty, and kids like that more than anything else need a rest. In Shah Allah, all the kids and parents will rest soon and the bombings will be stopped. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 05 August 2006 at 11:36am
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Goth version of the stay puff marsh mellow
------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 06 August 2006 at 12:26am
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Assalamu Aleikum Herjihad:
"I think a trip to Lebanon would be much more valuable than a trip to Disney.� But that's just me." No! It's not just you, me too! There was a letter in yesterday's El Pais (The Nation) saying almost exactly what I did about teaching the Israeli girls about the consequences of their 'bomb messages'. Must be something in our genes ... |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 1:02pm
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So my wife is in Pittsburgh my daughter is in Utah and I'm waiting a U.S
embassy courier to bring my sons new pass port. So that I can send him off to Washington to be with my sister. Since the attack near the hospital in Haifa my immune system seems to have fled. My father in law's girlfriend is a doctor and she wanted to send me to an emergency room. where? Haifa. I said I'll see my family doctor tomorrow. It's the weirdest thing. If I fall asleep more than a couple hours I wake up choking. I have bruises on my back and legs but I can't remember ever being hit. The up side is that I've lost 10 pounds in only a week because everything I eat disagrees with that arrangement. After I send my son. I think that I'll have half a mind to despair. Haifa is a good place there is no separation between muslims jews or christians. It is our capital of tolerance. I think that this sickness that is attacking my body right now is born of hatred. I don't know what to do with hate I also have a 38 degree celsius fever right now which may explain why my head is thumping. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 07 August 2006 at 3:12pm
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Bismillah, Why are you all separated? It is good to hate evil. It must be hard to remain focused on what is truly evil in your situation. Evil is anything that Allah would think is evil. Forgive yourself for momentary lapses. We are human. Allah forgives us when we repent, so we should forgive ourselves. Digestive enzymes like papaya help with stomach problems, and ginger tablets. Try not to eat things that would normally upset your stomach because they are worse right now. Deep breathing helps. And remember Allah's mercy and love. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 09 August 2006 at 7:39pm
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I was working on three albums and Joey was taking an advanced Jujitzu
course in Haifa and we weren't counting on spending our summer in stinky old bombshelters. |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 1:18am
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I sort of digressed from the subject here.
Regarding the little girls writing on the shells. This was not in the Israeli press until two days ago and heads are now rolling. We killed ten times the amount of civilians going after Hezbollah and Hamasniks in the last month than the amount of Israeli civilians killed by Hezbollah. There is a strange "respect" among our best warriors for the Hezbollah. Politicians are by nature cynical opportunists. Nasrallah even after losing his own son to us seems determined to annihilate us but somehow respectable and sane. He is of course our enemy he has done the most terrible damage to our moral and shaken our sense of invulnerability but he is not as hated as the lunatic running Iran who so far hasn't fired a shot. We could still turn this whole situation around. Us, the Hamas, the Hezbollah all to our various benefit. There are reasons I can't share with you (because I would be arrested rightfully for treason) that lead me to believe that if we can just avoid round two for another two months with out assassinating anyone or blowing ourselves up on a bus loaded with school children or shooting school girls in Palestine... People here might be ready to talk seriously about peace. The alternative is to be Jew and muslim the ultimate obnoxious soon to be unmarried couple who argue in public. |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 9:01am
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Bismillah, Thanks for the update with a sprinkle of hope mixed in. Salaamu Alaykum ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 9:58am
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Inshallah you are right Daniel. I read today that Al Fateh have
reached agreement to actually dialogue with Hamas, so maybe there too, some sanity may prevail. By the way, how's your health finally? Was it all stress related? |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 3:15pm
I'm up and around my wife and babies are coming back in the next few days. YES Definitely stress related I usually thrive on challenge and even stress. This was out of my hands. I'm a total control freak when I was younger I could handle fear and pain and even, though despairingly, accept my own imminent mortality on two or three occasions. Feeling helpless to protect my family. from your nutters and my nutters at the same time... I choked on it. There's a saying in hebrew hoshekh bah-einayim it means literally "a darkness in the eyes" That's where I was. I had this image in my mind like i was blind and lost in a great dark cave with all kinds of nasty little determined things flying around me up to no good at all. It could have been the fever. I think all this evil and hatred literally got under my skin for a bit. I totally lost my edge. We were and still are under the nagging and relentless influence of evil. While our separate religions have been hijacked from us by people who do horrible things in our name, I believe that as individuals true to our our faiths we are completely transparent and deeply loved by Allah. I suspect that he has given us each a separate piece of a great spiritual puzzle and that we are denying ourselves greatness by failing to learn from and share with each other. |
Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 9:39am
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Daniel, what you said is beautiful and I agree.
Sorry I couldn't respond earlier, we snatched some time to visit Cordoba (always worth snatching whatever you can to experience this deeply beautiful city). As artists, and especially musicians, we are perhaps more susceptible to those dark caves filled with demons, than many people. Who was it said musicians seem to lack a layer of protective skin? I'm trying to remember if it was my much loved, and missed Yehudi Menuhin? |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 12:45pm
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