ak_m_f wrote: Atleast he told us his true feelings instead of hiding behind the curtain of peace and harmony like the former popes.

I dont think tiz appropriate for the theology proffessor to show his true feelings at the price of abuse of islam.I kindly ask u to take that back...bcoz truth is HE ABUSED ISLAM!He said himself that prophet MUhammad SAW brought evil in that he preached a religion with terrorism.

Il just assume u didnt se the news neither did u read the newspapers nor did u read/listen to his speech that u have to defend the proffessor.

Duende,how come ur speaking for the pope here?!No hard feelings but did u write the speech together?Now he has met with muslim leaders from diff parts of the world and has promised solidarity and working together and says he respects islam...hasent he just conttradicted what u are trying to have me understand up here?

So its ok for any leader to say what he feels without thinking consequences?Esp one who holds such post?U see how many people attend his speeches...hundreds of thousands shown on tv everyday...so if he were to talk like that to such a vast number of people will we have peace really?He will certainly influence many people...thats why he was on the wrong.Should all islamic leaders start cursing christian churches in the mosques just coz they feel hatred for them?Do that and see what outcome will be there...if people will really live in peace since there will be alot of influence there.

Its ok ur the class clown of islamicity class forum...u dont really get on my nerves that much.So much that it cracked me up that u had to post that for me.

If i came upto 2people and said F#$% U! What do u expect the outcome?That they say good..atleast he told us what he felt...

Pls weigh ur contributions dear

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Hanan wrote: its uganda to spain are you sure it's not america to spain?

Ok....i see u also want me to start a thread for u too...why didnt u just say so?Instead of beating about the bush...y dont u just go straight into the bush.Its ur way of gettng attention my dear,but it aint working here.I might be in uganda/botswana/uk....wots the problem?I can take a chopper for all i care,BBC wil provide it for me...watever they do for their correspondants.

U sound racist to me.... may Allah SW help u.Coz according to Him...we(musims) are all equal whether from darfur/somalia...we are all equal.So why ru dwelling on where am coming from alot?Or zit ur way to show us africans that we have no way of taking aeroplanes or knowing where spain is?Allah SW put u in US,He can as wel take u from there.Better to live like a dog and die like a king than to live like a king and die like a dog.We should walk on this earth with less pride,u never know ur hereafter.Allah SW is the All-Knower.U disgust me muslim sister.

Dear Moderators,please lock this thread bcs something is going very bad if you look insight...Subhan'Allah...

Akfm,you are no longer brother of me...so sad..

Duende wrote: Suleyman I agree akmf's remarks are way out of line. Akmf, that was a cheap shot, you don't have to insult this forum member in this racist way. UmmAmara seems to have a unique way of using English which I also had a problem with at first, I'm a bit more tuned in to her flow now. She has a 'sassy' voice, but she's young, and that's her style. She also has a distinct African kind of approach to Islam I think none of us here have been able to appreciate and some Brothers and Sisters are being nasty about that. I am ashamed to see such blatant racism and uncalled for attacks.

Dear Duende,

The issue is out of  the language skills neither being an distinct African nor on about her talking style...the issue is behind the scenes as an wise sister of you,you should have been realized, i believe now your heart has realized...

Uganda....Africa...poor life...lost hopes...abuses,lies...killings...starvings...being forgotten...paganism...disrespect...lost human rights...Islam...One Hope....the one they found at their ends...the one value they now have  in their whole life...the one way to escape...the first smile came after the cry of so many years...and now loudly speaks...take it back!....take it back!...take these words back!...

Seems like an mother cry while loosing her baby!...Islam is her baby and please let her being untouched by words...she has no obligation on being polite to Pope who  the one has the obligation on being polite to this world...

She closed her eyes to the world except Islam,because we are the African People who closed the file in this world only hoping from Allah...we are The African People saw the end of this world while you were not there,please forgive our voices coming up to you rude,please forgive us we are The African People coming in from the cold...please forgive us we were unable to read books and having our educations on science and sociology...we are coming in from the cold entering first steps to the happy days...please know that after these sincere rude voices our children will learn to move with wisdom and knowledge but please do not wait from us while trying to appear in the darkness....  

BOB MARLEY

EXODUS/MOVING TO THE FATHERLAND=AFRICA

Exodus, movement of Jah people, oh yeah
Open your eyes and let me tell you this

Men and people will fight ya down (Tell me why?)
  when ya see Jah light
Let me tell you, if you're not wrong (Then why?)
  ev'rything is alright
So we gonna walk, alright, through the roads of creation
We're the generation (Tell me why)
  trod through great tribulation
 
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people

Open your eyes and look within
Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
We know where we're going; we know where we're from
We're leaving Babylon, we're going to our fatherland

Exodus, movement of Jah people
(Movement of Jah people)
Send us another Brother Moses gonna cross the Red Sea
(Movement of Jah people)
Send us another Brother Moses gonna cross the Red Sea

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, Exodus, Exodus, Exodus,
Exodus, Exodus, Exodus, Exodus
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

Open your eyes and look within
Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
We know where we're going; we know where we're from
We're leaving Babylon, we're going to the fatherland

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Movement of Jah people (4 times)
Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

Jah come to break down 'pression, rule equality
Wipe away transgression, set the captives free

Exodus, movement of Jah people
Exodus, movement of Jah people
Movement of Jah people (5 times)

Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!
Movement of Jah people (5 times)

Duende wrote: I wasn't sure what Suleyman was getting at, he has very generously bestowed me with some wisdom I seem to have ignored! But I question the use of a Rastafarian's song to explain the impact of Islam on Africa .... ?

Long story Dear Duende,long story....

http://www.bobmarley.com/songs/ram/africaunite.ram">

Bob Marley



From "Survival", Bob Marley's most political LP at a time of increased political turbulence in Africa: in Angola and Mozambique fighting intensified, and in Zimbabwe the struggle was finally coming to a head.

On the "Survival" tour Bob Marley and The Wailers consciously opened their US dates at the legendary Apollo in Harlem. Bob felt that he hadn't been marketed sufficiently to black people; reggae, viewed condescendingly by many American blacks, appeared to be seen as a threat to r'n'b; getting on black radio was near impossible. After the Apollo shows, however, longstanding residents of Harlem claimed that the area had not buzzed like that since Marcus Garvey's time there. This was the desired effect: Bob was telling black people to wake up.

Africa, Unite
'Cause we're moving right out of Babylon
And we're going to our father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and man, yeah
To see the unification of all Africans, yeah
As it's been said already let it be done, yeah
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So Africa, Unite 'cause the children wanna
come home
Africa, Unite 'cause we're moving right
out of Babylon
And we're grooving to our father's land

How good and how pleasant it would be
Before God and Man
To see the unification of all Rastaman, yeah

As it's been said already let it be done
I tell you who we are under the sun
We are the children of the Rastaman
We are the children of the Higher Man

So, Africa, Unite, Africa, Unite
Unite for the benefit of your people
Unite for it's later than you think
Unite for the benefit of your children
Unite for it's later than you think

Africa awaits its creators, Africa awaiting
its creators
Africa, you're my forefather cornerstone
Unite for the Africans abroad, unite for
the Africans a yard
Africa, Unite

Sure Duende,you are right,no doubt...but i should remind you that you can't expect everyhing from every people,i just want to use the message of Bob for calling them to Islam,Bob(used to,so sad) and his followers has an great potential carrying their cells to entering to Islam with the message of Bob because they really love Bob and some part of his messages are really good fitting to Islam Soul,i am not supporting Rasta and it's stupid living style...all i imagine is on Bob's message for them....I have a Rasta friend from Chicago who goes to university,first we discussed on Bob and now she reads the four basics terms of Qur'an by Maulana Maududi,alhamdulilah when i appear on the msn she says as salam or alhamdulilah...

Same on me,i was also an university student when i listened Bob and my life was damned,no pray no ghusl and no knowledge inside my life i was really suffering then Bob appeared with his songs moved me to God then i found my way...

dEarEST hANAn,

These people here(suleyman+duende) who told u what they told u,had obviousy read the article from the start to the last...i dont remember answering to ur reply...but the way u just came up to interfere my conversation wit duende,obviously told me ur just looking for attention especially wat u wrote in ur reply.And u say that u dont care how much i say Allah's name,that i dont intimdate u?I am not here to intimdate anyone...its ur deeds in the end that wil count.On the Day of Judgement father shall know no son...so why would i want to intimdate u?The prophet said..the best thing u could for ur self is wet ur lips with rememberance for Allah SW...thats why i say it.NOT because i want to intimidate u.U seem to have very little knowledge in Islam otherwise u would not have an outburst like this.About Africa...anyone who reads the way u wrote ur article can say u were being racist...if am wrong plz go back to ur post and re-read it 2times and see how it sounds.U really dwell on uganda and u put it like i dont know where spain is...thats the problem with people who see africans low-class people like how akmf wrote that i should go back to beat drums on trees.I might live in africa but u dont know me,my father can be a rich man that he can buy the entire wealth u have 10times.Kenyan coffe and tea exports 90% of its produce worldwide...if u ask anyone who deals in that sector they can tel u that,so most probably the tea ur drinking right there,comes from the guys who beat drums on trees.Diamond&gold is mined in Tanzania&southafrica,cocoa,oil,tablemats,kikoys,sculptur es,to mention but afew comes from the people who beat drums on trees.So when people see us as low class they shud think twice bcoz we lowclass people provide most of the raw&ready made things people in canada,us,uk,europe&asia use.This is just a small educative paragraph about us africans.

I couldnt help notice but u seem to have an attitude...and by the way am a chic not a dude.Why are taking replies from different postings and putting them up here...its irrelevant because they flow in their own way,someone can interpret the msg badly yet when u read it from its original post its a harmless thought.U & akmf seemed to have concantenated together to act on where i come from thats why u c people think ur racist...ur posts seem to be that u support each other.

I see u apologzed...no harm taken.I accept that apology...coz saying sorry makes someone a better person.

Suleyman...thanx for stepping up...its good to see ur positve thots abt africans.Jazakallah.

Lady Duende,my offer still stands.

Hanan,sorry but in which colour you are in?...thx...

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Hanan wrote: Hanan,sorry but in which colour you are in?...thx... My answers to the "ugandan chic" are in red. The green inserts are previous posts.

Then who is in black?,do you have to be so much complex?..thx...

Also please do not call names on Africa and on it's people,we are not talkin about  rappers in NY,Africa Hanan,Africa.....

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Sign*Reader wrote:     What I see is Suleyman threw a curve ball in with Bob Marley's /Rasta tangent and clouded the issue/thread. Being a senior member I would expected better. His philosophizing about Bob Marley here is misplaced that was irresponsible at best and self serving at worst looking at the nature of the thread. The discussion went from  Pope about Muhammad to Marley, then to Ugandan guilt trip. Come on guys, wake up  Hanan, I think the guilty party here the one who has language comprehension issues which have been pointed out in so many scholarly ways by Duende with charm & wit but to no avail. After all this is an American site and lack of proper traits would be an impediment to optimum communication over the net. There will always be problems no matter who is involved. I would say Suleyman needs to revisit his post and appologise to you for his muddying up the water/coffee or whatever. Hanan: Are you in legal field? if not try it Keep up the good work.

Sign*Reader wrote:   I say, you have a home run here. You did not offend anybody so far as I can see. Your responses are right on the money.   What I see is Suleyman threw a curve ball in with Bob Marley's /Rasta tangent and clouded the issue/thread. Being a senior member I would expected better. His philosophizing about Bob Marley here is misplaced that was irresponsible at best and self serving at worst looking at the nature of the thread. The discussion went from  Pope about Muhammad to Marley, then to Ugandan guilt trip. Come on guys, wake up  Hanan, I think the guilty party here the one who has language comprehension issues which have been pointed out in so many scholarly ways by Duende with charm & wit but to no avail. After all this is an American site and lack of proper traits would be an impediment to optimum communication over the net. There will always be problems no matter who is involved. I would say Suleyman needs to revisit his post and appologise to you for his muddying up the water/coffee or whatever. Hanan: Are you in legal field? if not try it Keep up the good work.

As being and senior member i do try to warminmg up the weather whether with asking some interesting questions and also some play on colours...as an senior member i do my responsibility for your peace modes...sometimes i ask to myself with seeing theses kind of replies,what's your problem Suleyman?,you are wasting your time don't you see that do not deserve...it is easy to asking like that what about our responsibilites to Allah...

I forgive your words but next time i may not promise.....

ak_m_f wrote: Suleyman hope you are not smoking what bobby boy used to smoke

Akfm,you did some of a big mistake in this thread which there is no way of forgive in my heart...by the please do not be in contact with me...please...

Ur all in my prayers....