better said brother...

the man has realy not convinced me either...regarding his educational background and the position he holds,how can he not understand the weight of such words?he did it intentionally,now all the nuns and the churches destroyed were becoz of him...people shudnt mess wit others religion.we hav not uttered anythng against churches...ahoy to us if we did!!!The whole bsuh kingdom wud b behind oru backs or better still take us to the military camp hideouts they hav shoved sumwhere in nowhere...!

Bottom line...he did it intentionally.

Bottom line...he did it intentionally.

.. in a most cowardly way. He couldn't have chosen a better way to encourage the fascist Christian masses to have a free-for-all against Muslims.

Its not a free for all against muslims, but 'over reaction' has not done much PR for the faith, which by the way is only a belief system.

For a supposedly "religious" and "spiritual" person the pope did not quite follow through with these aspects at all..

Intead of seeking peace that Jesus would have done he sets things aflame.

I just have one thing to say, and its not a defense of the Pope.  But the man is the SPIRITUAL HEAD OF AN ENTIRE CHURCH.  I don't really see him jumping up and declaring the Prophet Muhammed as the Last Prophet and proclaiming Shahada.  Its his job to prove his faith superior. 

His predecessor was about peace and bringing communities together.  Pope Benedict XVI was the Grand Inquisitor before he was Pope. 

What he said was wrong and insensitive?  But how is it really any different than the claims on millions of websites that Christians are Pagans and guilty of the most grievous sin of Shirk.  Its an opinion.  Smack his fingers and prove him wrong. 

Don't burn effigies and kill nuns.  All that did was to prove his words correct. 

Angela, good points.

The way muslims have reacted tp the speech and even after the apology is terrible.

This is not the way of defending islam.

As angela said, muslims are proving that the pope or the king whoever said those things are right.

The images shown on TV represent muslims are angry, irrational and quick to flare up, very dissapointing

-Najamsahar

I wish to announce that there is blood in the water folks. So, for heaven sake let' s not all start biting each other. A formal and more convincing apology would be nice from the Pope. I'm still not happy with the unconvincing apology the Vatican gave regarding their behavior during WW2.
Uncs, you did it again. The funniest thing is there is a lot more, a hell of a lot more interconnected in all these three than the differences.

We can frustrate the Neo-Cons (or, the evil, always find it difficult to measure which one is the heavier!) is to get like it was in the 12th century or through the Toledo effect!

We could just stand together and win.

There is no other way out.

My fav was a sign held up by a muslim at a protest recently - its here on the forum somewhere.

"Behead those who say islam is violent" - classic. LOL . What an idiot! who wants to order it on a shirt. fog

It is very hard to wait someone slip by their own blunder, but it happened every now and then, very rare though. It needs patient to get one.

Fog, I told you about the axe

fogtrik wrote: Can I get "behead those who say islam is violent" on a t-shirt?.

fogtrik wrote: What an idiot! who wants to order it on a shirt. fog

Hayfa wrote: Intead of seeking peace that Jesus would have done he sets things aflame.

I dont know u but i can say ur a mind reader...how did u read my mind?!

Whisper, Are you being defensive again buddy? another sign read....

"Behead those who insult islam". What's the difference? Its very possible that an extremist won't have a brain. Like from TV BBC4 last night, the show about the female suicide bombers in isreal. How daft is it to think that when you blow yourself up, you go to paradise with 72 virgins? How do you mis-interprute this from the Qu'ran?

Cyber peace, Fog/

Whisper, Are you being defensive again buddy?

Thank you, my friend, I hadn't been introduced to this latest theory as yet that when we rise above these domains of counting, numbers and dwelling on reasoning alone, we become defensive.

"Behead those who insult islam". What's the difference?

No idea, best pose this question to some Muslim. Has the genius ever noticed me invoking religion or calling in quotes from the Quran in any of my posts?

How daft is it to think that when you blow yourself up, you go to paradise with 72 virgins?

Are you sure you hold some desire to talk about it seriously and purely at a neutral level?

Away from the Islamo-phobia induced Muselim bashing urge?

The day you covince me that a man of your genius has actually failed to see the real causes behind making of suicide bombers, I promise, I will deal with your post in as much earnest.

For now, both of us could rest with the thought that why would the world need any terrorists when we have friends like you and our Pope? 

Whisp, I'm not that bad, and I do try to tone it down, and even avoid bashing? I'm generally angry about religions hold of the world, but it doesn't mean I wanna give all you nice forum people a hard time.

I don't know why folks blow themselves up, but do think it relates to two things. 1) hating the enemy due to learned behaviour and cultural differences and 2) how they interprute the qu'ran.

Why is it that only muslims these days seem to blow themselves up? 

Fog

Why is it that only muslims these days seem to blow themselves up ...

... while non-Muslims blow up their families?

ak_m_f wrote: fogtrik wrote: My fav was a sign held up by a muslim at a protest recently - its here on the forum somewhere. "Behead those who say islam is violent" - classic. LOL . What an idiot! who wants to order it on a shirt. fog The pics were fake....

Correction, the pics COULD be fake, don't know yet so can't really say either way for sure can we?

I don't know why folks blow themselves up, but do think it relates to two things. 1) hating the enemy due to learned behaviour and cultural differences and 2) how they interprute the qu'ran.

You really want me to believe that you are actually so limited to list just these two possibilities?

In our multidemensional life, there must be some other dimension also to consider just if we meant to.