Christ and Muhammad
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Topic: Christ and Muhammad
Posted By: StephenC
Subject: Christ and Muhammad
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 5:17am
I see that the Qur'an tells about Christ and also foretells the coming of the Anti-Christ.
But no coming of an Anti-Muhammad.
Does that say anything about the status of Christ and the status of Muhammad?
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Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 8:54am
I don't think the theme the "Anti Christ" is in the Qur'an per se. But beside that, the whole theme of anti Christ in real life that I see it now is so pale compared with the hatred toward Muhammad, Solawaatullahi alaihi.
As far as the status of both of them is concerned we are not supposed to differentiate between them.
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Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 2:21pm
superme,
Hatred toward Muhammad? Muhammad is dead, and deserves the respect given the dead. However, hatred towards MUHAMMADANS is entirely personal and directed entirely towards those MUHAMMADINS who bomb resort centers (Bali), comuter trains (Spain, England), and airplanes (your choice), and MUHAMMADANS who relish these things.
Muhammadans who do not relish these things are entirely exempt.
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Posted By: superme
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 7:41pm
ejdavid wrote:
Hatred toward Muhammad? Muhammad is dead, |
Actually no, he is well and truly living as you see him now all over the place, just like what you imply by the MUHAMMADANS.
wrote:
However, hatred towards MUHAMMADANS is entirely personal and directed entirely towards those MUHAMMADINS who bomb resort centers (Bali) , comuter trains (Spain, England), and airplanes (your choice), and MUHAMMADANS who relish these things.
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I assume what you are saying is that the entire Iraqi population also relish these things? Correct me if I am wrong.
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Posted By: ak_m_f
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 9:52pm
superme wrote:
I assume what you are saying is that the entire Iraqi population also relish these things? |
Again... read how under cover SAS tired to blowup poor Iraqis.
Ofcourse how dare them to defend .... ahem... I mean terrorize poor American troops.
They should embrace the occupiers & welcome the
demo-crazically installed puppets with open arms
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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 12:19pm
StephenC wrote:
I see that the Qur'an tells about Christ and also foretells the coming of the Anti-Christ.
But no coming of an Anti-Muhammad.
Does that say anything about the status of Christ and the status of Muhammad?
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Anti Christ in the capacity of Christian thought takes on a very different idea than in Islamic thought, which is why I do not use the term as a Muslim, simply because it causes problems of understanding.
As far as the status, it is meaningless.
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Posted By: Fidel
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 2:14pm
Surely, you don't mean that Muhammad is the predicted Anti-Christ?
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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 25 September 2006 at 4:30pm
Fidel wrote:
Surely, you don't mean that Muhammad is the predicted Anti-Christ? |
Please show me where I have mistakenly implied the Prophet Muhammad (saw) as the anti-Christ?
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Posted By: Shadi_Al-amin
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 10:18am
Salam wa alaikum brothers and sisters,the sunnah talks about the anti-christ (The grand dajjal). The reason there is an anti-christ is because Jesus (SAW) is the messiah,muhammad is not he's is a rasool (SAW). What the messiah will do is come back at the end of times and fix what he did (tell the chrisitans the truth about god). and the Anti-chirst Job is to stop this...to MISLEAD the christians. Muhammad plays no role in this muhammad is gone he did his job (SAW).
These are muhammads's word inshallah-
Hadith - Bukhari 9.241, Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar
Allah's Apostle stood up amongst
the people and then praised and glorified Allah as He deserved and then he
mentioned Ad-Dajjal, saying, "I warn you of him, and there
was no prophet but warned his followers of him; but I will tell you something
about him which no prophet has told his followers: Ad-Dajjal is one-eyed whereas
Allah is not." I hope I answerd all your questions.
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 12:58pm
Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem
If you read the Bible, he is hardly ever referred to as the "anti-Christ".
This term seems to have become common among Christians. However, if you read the prophecy in the book of revelation, the term "anti-Christ" is never used, instead he is called "the false prophet".
In Islam, we dont call him anti-Christ, we call him DAJJAL, which means IMPOSTER (or false) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) foretold that the Dajjal will at forst claim to be a Prophet and he will eventually claim to be Allah.
So he is a False Prophet, False Messiah and False god.
In Sahih Muslim it is narrated that the Dajjal is currently living on an Island (probably on another dimension, not an ordinary island) and that a BEAST lives with him there.
The Bible also says that the false prophet will come along with a Beast (read revelation 13).
The Hadith also say that the Beast will mark kafirs on their forehead, and the Bible says the Beast will mark his followers on the right hand or Forehead.
Both the Hadith and the Bible say that 'Eesa (Jesus) will return to kill this false prophet (revelation 19 of Bible). The Bible states that he will have an army of 144000 people. According to the Hadith, his army will be a Muslim army coming from the East (from Afghanistan), carrying black banners (black banners symbolise War), and these Muslims will join the Messiah ('Eesa/Jesus) and will fight the Dajjal and his followers.
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Posted By: StephenC
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 4:52pm
"In Islam, we dont call him anti-Christ, we call him DAJJAL, which means IMPOSTER (or false) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) foretold that the Dajjal will at forst claim to be a Prophet and he will eventually claim to be Allah.
So he is a False Prophet, False Messiah and False god."
So how do we "test" a prophet to determine whether they are a false prophet?
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Posted By: skygazer
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 5:14pm
StephenC wrote:
"In Islam, we dont call him anti-Christ, we call him DAJJAL, which means IMPOSTER (or false) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) foretold that the Dajjal will at forst claim to be a Prophet and he will eventually claim to be Allah.
So he is a False Prophet, False Messiah and False god."
So how do we "test" a prophet to determine whether they are a false prophet?
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From what I've noticed, a false prophet tells people what they want to hear. A real prophet tells them what they don't.
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 5:16pm
Well as far as the Dajjal or false prophet of the book of revelation is concerned, there are many signs.
But if you mean any Prophet, then one of the ways is to look at their PROPHECIES (since PROPHET means someone who makes Prophecies).
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Posted By: StephenC
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 6:13pm
Sawtul Khilafah wrote:
Well as far as the Dajjal or false prophet of the book of revelation is concerned, there are many signs.
But if you mean any Prophet, then one of the ways is to look at their PROPHECIES (since PROPHET means someone who makes Prophecies).
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And what were Mohummad's prophecies?
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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 15 October 2006 at 10:21pm
StephenC wrote:
"In Islam, we dont call him anti-Christ, we call him DAJJAL, which means IMPOSTER (or false) and Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) foretold that the Dajjal will at forst claim to be a Prophet and he will eventually claim to be Allah.
So he is a False Prophet, False Messiah and False god."
So how do we "test" a prophet to determine whether they are a false prophet?
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Maybe you could place the "test" for Abraham and then try it with other figures? Given you believe Abraham was a prophet and you have tested his claim? Yes?
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Posted By: leos
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 12:50am
What is it with prophecies? Then, is Nostradamus a prophet bcoz he's got some pretty fantastic prophecies which a lot of people claim to have materialized?
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Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 1:25am
StephenC wrote:
Sawtul Khilafah wrote:
Well as far as the Dajjal or false prophet of the book of revelation is concerned, there are many signs.
But if you mean any Prophet, then one of the ways is to look at their PROPHECIES (since PROPHET means someone who makes Prophecies).
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And what were Mohummad's prophecies? |
Let me give you an example of current affair, happening right now and whole world is watching and wondering
I heard Allah's Apostle
(peace be upon him) said: The Euphrates(Iraq) would uncover gold
and when the people would hear of it they (current invaders)would flock towards it but the people
who would possess(the shiites/Sunni Muslims $Kurds) that (treasure) (would say): If we allow these persons to
take out of it they would take away the whole of it. So they would fight and ninety-nine out of
one hundred would be killed.(the current count is 3/4 of million and there is no end in sight) AbuKamil in his narration said: I and AbuKa'b
stood under the shade of the battlement of Hassan. From: Bukhari Tell me how manny will satisfy you?
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 9:03am
leos wrote:
What is it with prophecies? Then, is Nostradamus a prophet bcoz he's got some pretty fantastic prophecies which a lot of people claim to have materialized? |
The prophecies of Nostradamus are vague.
The reason is that his prophecies came through the Jinn. In the Quran we read that some people contact the Jinn who prophecy future events, but these prophecies are not clear at all.
Here are some of the Prophecies of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) about the ends of times that are happening today:
The invasion of Iraq by foreigners and Iraqis deviding into 3 groups (Sunan Abu Dawud).
Increase in adultery, prostitution, alcoholic drinks, etc. (Mishkat al-Masabih)
Musical instruments can be found in every house (Today, everyone has TV, computer or at least a radio, and all of these play music)
An army of Muslims carrying black banners would come from the East (from Afghanistan). This army would later go to Iraq (This is exactly what happened with Al-Qaeda who appeared in Afghanistan and are now in Iraq-and they carry black banners)
There are Hundreds more, but I will finish it with this prophecy:
Thawban reported the Apostle of Allah (pbuh) as saying:
The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish.
Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?
He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time ; but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the chests of your enemy and cast enervation into your own hearts.
Someone asked : What is enervation, Apostle of Allah? He replied : Love of the world and dislike of death.
(source: Sunan Abu Dawood volume 3)
Now look at the G8 and the UN
"The people" (The Nations) will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish.
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Posted By: StephenC
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 4:52pm
Thank you for the information, but for those of us that do not have the Qu'ran memorized, could you post the verses so that I can find them in my Qu'ran?
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 16 October 2006 at 6:12pm
You are welcome.
The above prophecies are not from the Quran, they are from the Hadith.
Quran=Words of Allah
Hadith books=Words of Prophet
I have given refrence to some of those prophecies, if you want refrence for a particular one ask away.
As for the prophecies of the Quran, there is one about the Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) and also about the Beast of the earth and some other things. Most of these prophecies have not happened yet, but there are a few that have been fulfilled, such as the victory of the Romans.
There are more prophecies in the Hadith than the Quran, and there are two reasons for this:
1: There are more Hadith than verses of Quran
2: The Quran is general while the Hadith are specific.
For instance, the Quran may say "The believers were mocked by the Kafirs" or "the believers must have patience" or "glad tidings to the righteous" etc.
These would apply to different situations at different times.
However, the Hadith are more specific, for instance it may say " when the invaders attack Iraq you must have patience", instead of simply "the believers must have patience".
The Quran applies to all generations, but when a prophecy in Hadith is fulfilled, then it no longer applies.
Also, the Quran will always be preserved and it is 100% authentic while the Hadith could sometimes be altered, unauthentic or incomplete.
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Posted By: harrdnut
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:10pm
Please tell me where to look in the Quran to look at the PROHECIES you have given in the post.
If they are not in the Quran don't bother. Why? Because nowhere does the god of the Quran say that his words are in any other book than the ARABIC Quran.
The HADITHS and the Sunna are in no way the words of Allah. They are all the words of human beings and we all know how truthful human beings are, don't we?
Even scientists can't agree with one another even in these days of hightech science.
------------- Once born twice dead, twice born once dead
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Posted By: harrdnut
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:13pm
StephenC wrote:
Sawtul Khilafah wrote:
Well as far as the Dajjal or false prophet of the book of revelation is concerned, there are many signs.
But if you mean any Prophet, then one of the ways is to look at their PROPHECIES (since PROPHET means someone who makes Prophecies).
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And what were Mohummad's prophecies?
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In Islam Adam was the first prophet. So, pl tell us about the PROPHECIES uttered by prophet Adam.
------------- Once born twice dead, twice born once dead
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Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:21pm
First of all I was answering this question:
StephenC wrote:
And what were Mohummad's prophecies? |
Secondly the Hadith books that I mentioned were compiled 1200 years ago, so the fact that the prophecies in these books are happening is proof enough that they are true. Also Islam is not complete without the Hadith, just as it is not enough for us to believe in Allah without believing in his Prophets and Messengers.
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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 23 May 2008 at 9:02am
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=55172&FID=7 - StephenC wrote:
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I see that the Qur'an tells about Christ and also foretells the coming of the Anti-Christ.
But no coming of an Anti-Muhammad.
Does that say anything about the status of Christ and the status of Muhammad?
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THE BIBLE
Who or what are the �Antichrists�?
1 John 2:18-19
Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that ANTICHRIST is coming, EVEN NOW THERE HAVE COME TO BE MANY ANTICHRISTS; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But [they went out] that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort.
Who or what are the �antichrists�?
1 John 2:22-23
WHO IS THE LIAR IF IT IS NOT THE ONE THAT DENIES THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST? THIS IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE ONE THAT DENIES THE FATHER AND THE SON. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either.. . .
1 John 4:2-3
YOU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, 3 BUT EVERY INSPIRED EXPRESSION THAT DOES NOT CONFESS JESUS DOES NOT ORIGINATE WITH GOD. FURTHERMORE, THIS IS THE ANTICHRIST�S [INSPIRED EXPRESSION] WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD WAS COMING, AND NOW IT IS ALREADY IN THE WORLD.
2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus CHRIST as coming in the flesh. THIS IS THE DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST.
The Anti-Christ is already here!
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Posted By: Theophilus
Date Posted: 31 May 2008 at 6:40pm
'ALL MESSENGERS OF GOD has only ONE MESSAGE', this is what I believed about messengers. They do not quarrel and they do not have their own "private armies of believers". NOW, what is the matter with all of you trying to outdo each other by comparing Jesus and Muhammad for the purpose of claiming who is better than who? Muhammad never quarrel with Jesus and so Jesus with Muhammad, you know why? They worship and serve the SAME GOD and nobody among the two strayed from the MESSAGE of the EXALTED ONE WHO SENT them. As I as always telling, brothers and sisters this is onlky my opinion.
PHILO
------------- Let no life be spared in the name of religion.
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 03 June 2008 at 4:14pm
ejdavid wrote:
superme,
Hatred toward Muhammad? Muhammad is dead, and deserves the respect given the dead. However, hatred towards MUHAMMADANS is entirely personal and directed entirely towards those MUHAMMADINS who bomb resort centers (Bali), comuter trains (Spain, England), and airplanes (your choice), and MUHAMMADANS who relish these things.
Muhammadans who do not relish these things are entirely exempt. |
ejdavid,
hatred in Islam is forbidden, those of us who practice God's revealed guidance don't hate anyone, and we ask others to do the same. I would encourage you to not to fall in the traps of satan, rather love others and defeat satan.
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 04 June 2008 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by http://www.islamicity.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=55172&FID=7 - StephenC
I see that the Qur'an tells about Christ and also foretells the coming of the Anti-Christ.
Yes, it does. But the word dajjal is perhaps not mentioned in the Quran as such. It is however mentioned in the sayings (Hadith) of the holy prophet.
But no coming of an Anti-Muhammad.
Yes, true. Not mentioned. But the anti Muhammad will be the anti-christ too. Anti christ is anti Muhammad. It shows that the followers of Muhammad, even though they will misunderstand things, but they will never be misguided entirely, as a class or Jama'at.
Most of them will remain on the right path.
The reason for that is, the Quran, the sacred revealed book will remain intact without corruption. The other reason is that Allah promised Muhammad that some right guided persons (saints, Mujaddids, reformers) will be raised amongst the Muslims at the turn of every century who will revive the religion of Islam. If any weakness which had creeped in, that will be removed and Islam will be strengthened to a better level. The guidance will never be lost entirely.
So there is not going to be any anti-Muhammad.
Does that say anything about the status of Christ and the status of Muhammad?
The anti-christ is necessary because it is the christians who have reversed the teachings of Jesus and they are preaching something entirely different to what Jesus taught. But they do not understand and agree. It is confirmed by the Quran that the christians had the true guidance. But they lost it on the way due to the mischief of some persons.
The status of Jesus and Muhammad is the same. Teaching is almost the same. The message of both of them was Peace and to recognise the creator God and to worship him alone. That was to come closer to God Almighty. There was no difference in the teachings except few minor matters.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 04 June 2008 at 8:56pm
The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 10 June 2008 at 1:07am
minuteman wrote:
The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people. |
Not quite right, as Jesus is also "The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" and "The Messiah" by his own words:-
Jesus admits He Is The �Messiah�:-
John 4:25-26
The woman said to him: �I know that Messiah (Greek text reads �Messias�) is coming, who is called Christ (Greek text reads �Christos�). Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.� 26 Jesus said to her: �I who am speaking to you am he.�
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Posted By: Chrysalis
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 3:37am
harrdnut wrote:
f they are not in the Quran don't bother. Why? Because nowhere does the god of the Quran say that his words are in any other book than the ARABIC Quran.
The HADITHS and the Sunna are in no way the words of Allah. They are all the words of human beings and we all know how truthful human beings are, don't we |
You are correct in stating that normal Hadith and Sunnah are not words of Allah. . . However according to orthodox Islam, and you may refer anyplace, Hadith Qudsi are considered the words of Allah. Some Hadith were His words dictated exactly by Gibrael to Muhammad. Those are called Hadith Qudsi or in english 'Sacred Hadith', hence the words involved are of Allah. Hadith Qudsi however are a very small part of regular Hadith. Muslims believe that other/regular Hadith are also essentially Allah's Will/Commands communicated to Prophet Muhammad, however the choice of words are Muhammad's own.
Infact, come to think of it, the Qur'an can be considered a Hadith, because it was uttered through the words of the Prophet, YET it was Allah's words. The source of BOTH Hadith and the Quran is the same. Primary source is Allah, and the means/secondary source was the Prophet Muhammad.
To say that only the Qur'an is correct, is implying that Muhammad told the truth when communicating the Qur'an but na'auzubillah told a lie when it came to Hadith ! - (And I say that assuming you are a Muslim who believes in the Qur'an, because if you are a non-muslim then there is no need for discussion in the firstplace)
� Say (O Muhammad): �It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of an awful day.� Say: �If God had willed, I would not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I have lived with you a whole lifetime before it came to me. Have you no sense?�� (Quran 10:15-16)
If by 'words of human beings' you are referring to the truthfulness of the Narrators , then bear in mind that some of these Narrators are the ones who helped compile the Qur'an in the firstplace, they were Hafiz and thus in a way communicated the Qur'an to us, (as they learnt frm our Prophet) as well.
Hence one cannot believe in the Qur'an and yet dispute the Hadith. Otherwise there is a contradiction.
------------- "O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 6:37am
robin wrote:
minuteman wrote:
The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people. |
Not quite right, as Jesus is also "The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" and "The Messiah" by his own words:-
Jesus admits He Is The �Messiah�:-
John 4:25-26
The woman said to him: �I know that Messiah (Greek text reads �Messias�) is coming, who is called Christ (Greek text reads �Christos�). Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.� 26 Jesus said to her: �I who am speaking to you am he.�
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Robin, I do not know about any goat or lamb of God. Please use the real words and not metaphors. I agree that Jesus is the Messiah. It is written in the Quran that he was the Messiah. What else you need?
Whatever the meaning of that, he was after all a messenger of Allah like our holy prophet. He was a man too. He (Jesus) was given guidance like our holy prophet. So what I wrote above was quite true. The only part that I did not write was the word Messiah. I admit that Jesus was the Messiah too. So I hope you are now happy and agree with me. Thanks.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 11 June 2008 at 2:45pm
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Robin, I do not know about any goat or lamb of God. Please use the real words and not metaphors. I agree that Jesus is the Messiah. It is written in the Quran that he was the Messiah. What else you need?
Whatever the meaning of that, he was after all a messenger of Allah like our holy prophet. He was a man too. He (Jesus) was given guidance like our holy prophet. So what I wrote above was quite true. The only part that I did not write was the word Messiah. I admit that Jesus was the Messiah too. So I hope you are now happy and agree with me. Thanks. [/QUOTE]
John 1:29
The next day he beheld Jesus coming toward him, and he said: "See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:35-41
Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and as he looked at Jesus walking he said: "See, the Lamb of God!" 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned and, getting a view of them following, he said to them: "What are YOU looking for?" They said to him: "Rabbi, (which means, when translated, Teacher,) where are you staying?" 39 He said to them: "Come, and YOU will see." Accordingly they went and saw where he was staying, and they stayed with him that day; it was about the tenth hour. 40 Andrew the brother of Simon Peter was one of the two that heard what John said and followed [Jesus]. 41 First this one found his own brother, Simon, and said to him: "We have found the Mes�si�ah" (which means, when translated, Christ).
"The Lamb of God" means he is mankinds only savior.
God's metaphor for Jesus.
Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the "Messiah"?
Thank you
robin
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 3:22pm
Robin,
I believe, in Islam I respect Jesus more than you, but I would not equate a human with any animal, let alone our beloved prophet Jesus (pbuh), and why I would I, if it does not make any sense to do so. Oh because it says so in the Bible!
The same Bible that says, even offends God not just the prophets and servants of God. For example, God repents, or God feel sorry for what He did, or God rides a cherub and fly around throwing smoke and fire from His mouth and nostrils.
And by the way where does it say "mankind's only savior" and explain before in what way, so I can take it from there. And I will be fine with just one quote, you don't have to write a page, I am easy.
Hasan
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 19 June 2008 at 7:17pm
robin did not reply to my post in positive or negative sense, i.e. niether denied it nor confirmed it. But shifted the goal post to the lamb of God. He thinks that a lamb could be the saviour. It reminded me of the problem BMZ had at CARM. Just when he was going to score any good point, the people at CARM used to change the subject (shifted the goal post). It appeared that they were carrying the goal post in their hands all the time.
It would be better that robin remain in line with the discussion and not wander off too much. While some of his thoughts may be good but the rest are all the same, i.e. the original sinand the saviour etc. If that is the policy of the jehovas Witnesses then we are learning some strange things now.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: believer
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 3:41pm
LOL!!! minuteman she was answering you when you said The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
Muslims if they read their Quran would understand that Jesus is revered higher then Mohammad!!
Sura Al Imran 003.055 YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of those who blaspheme; I WILL MAKE THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEE SUPERIOR TO THOSE WHO REJECT FAITH, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
PICKTHAL: when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and AM SETTING THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEE ABOVE THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE UNTIL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION. Then unto Me ye will return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.
SHAKIR: And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and MAKE THOSE WHO FOLLOW YOU ABOVE THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 6:53pm
believer,
if I was living in Jesus' time, I would be his follower as he was a true messanger of God calling for submission to God, a Muslim.
Since that message was lost, and God sent the direction for us again through Mohammed (pbuh), now for our time its him, and true believers follow him and are on the right guidance.
Hasan
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 26 June 2008 at 11:24pm
When comparing the holy prophet Muhammad with other prophets, we should emphasize the status of the the prophet Muhammad as the Khatam an Nabiyeen. That has some special meaning because only Muhammad is the Khatam an nabiyeen.
There seems to be a big status as Khatam which the other prophets do not have.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: honeto
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 6:06pm
Rightly added by minuteman, the Seal of the Prophets, no new prophetrs will come after the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
Hasan
------------- The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Posted By: minuteman
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 9:17pm
Yes, thanks, not only no prophet will come after him but he (Muhammad) is the best of all the prophets. He is the messenger of Allah and the seal (Superior) of all the prophets,. The prophethood of all prophets is proved through him. It is believed that the prophethood was granted by Allah to the prophets through Muhammad.
The word Khaatam as used in the verse of Surah Ahzaab is in praise of the prophet Muhammad. We see that no one believes in Jesus except the Muslims and christians. If Muslims did not believe in Jesus then the christians are alone in believing in Jesus. Same is the case of John the baptist. Nobody believes in him. It is by the Quran and through the Mercy of Allah and message through Muhammad that Jesus and John have been admitted as prophets of Allah.
------------- If any one is bad some one must suffer
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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:25pm
robin
Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the Messiah?
Thank you
robin [/QUOTE wrote:
5 : 75 of the Qur'an says that The Messiah ﴿'Isa﴾, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah ﴿truthful believer﴾. They both used to eat food.)
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5 : 75 of the Qur'an says that The Messiah ﴿'Isa﴾, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah ﴿truthful believer﴾. They both used to eat food.)
------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:31pm
believer wrote:
LOL!!! minuteman she was answering you when you said The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
Whats wrong in his statement. Yes, both were messengers of Allah.
Muslims if they read their Quran would understand that Jesus is revered higher then Mohammad!!
Qur'an is not just for muslims but for whole humanity
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------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Posted By: robin
Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 1:58pm
seekshidayath wrote:
robin
Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the Messiah?
Thank you
robin |
5 : 75 of the Qur'an says that The Messiah ﴿'Isa﴾, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah ﴿truthful believer﴾. They both used to eat food.)
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Thank You
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Thank You
robin
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