Blond, Fezziwig and Colin,

Your accoount is suspended for one week. This is to tell you that the discussion you had been busy in will not be tolerated here.

There is no room for plea. Your count down starts now.

Hope when you are back, you will be more sober, insha allah.

Peace.

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

(i wrote this as a post intended, for a thread that has been removed [boycott Rehamt], anyway i am still posting it) 

In the politest possible way, I would just like to say�..

It would be easy for all, to pick at an others weakness. My posts today have been for the following reasons�..

A Muslim may be just as offended in visiting this forum, and seeing two married women plotting to �bring down� Rehmat, as an other Muslim would be offended by the way Rehmat corresponds.

I could as a Muslim request that the married women be barred, to the women�s forum, however I would feel uncomfortable in doing so. Hence I please ask that �you� take a step back, & look at things from the other perspective (if possible). May be there should be a compulsory aspect of each persons �profile�, that states if they are married, or not!?

I would like to create a level plain, here, by also asking blond to accept that maybe he needs to have more compassion for those living in extreme conditions, in return I will gladly humble myself, & learn from those lessons you have taught me.  

If Allah (SWT) wills for this level plain to be created, I would like to invite Rehmat here, to share something with us, with which we might be able to appreciate Rehmat, for Rehamt.

Insha Allah

Please allow me to share a spiritual story, to illustrate how I (& I hope you also) am going to overcome any grudges that have been created:

Two Muslim men (Faruq & Abu) were on a long arduous journey, there destination a grand  & ancient Masjid. They had been told stories as children about this beautiful Masjid, stories that made their hearts flutter in anticipation, at the prospect of marvelling over such a holy monument.

Faruq & Abu, had both left their families within the safety of their homes, as the distance and harsh weather conditions, were deemed too much for the families to cope with, especially without the convenience of any transport.

About five days into the journey, the men came upon a rushing river caused by a recent downpour. On the bank of the flooded river, a woman sat, covered in some flimsy garments. She greeted the men upon their arrival, and asked if one of them would be kind enough to carry her over, as she was afraid of been washed away.

Faruq did not hesitate, and lifted the women over his shoulder; the men waded through the gushing river emerging on the opposite riverbank. Faruq placed the women down, she warmly thanked the men, & continued on her way.

A couple of hours elapsed, the men now feeling the heat of the day, proceeded on. Suddenly Abu raised his voice saying, �I can not believe you picked that women up, you know it is forbidden to touch the opposite sex, unless you are married to them, or related. Do you know how serious a misdemeanour that is, in the eyes of Allah (SWT)?�

Faruq calmly replied, I put her down back there, you are the one still carrying her!

Alhamdulilah

Rehmat's style of posts was anti islamic it lacked adab and made a mockery of the forum

And you don't suspend him for this?

Wa Alaikum Salaam

OK, so initially, if the above post was in yellow, it was a mistake, so thank you for changing it�s colour.

Your next point, if some of Rehmat�s posts were anti Islamic, then fair enough, chastise him for the posts in question, but that does not mean that he (as a whole personality) is anti Islamic.

You make me laugh at your perception of my point, which was closer in reality to my wishing to respect & treat married women, in a slightly different manner to unmarried women. A brief illustration of this is that, I would be doubly vigilant, in not allowing any emotional expressions to permeate my words, when corresponding with married women.

I have to be vigilant about this issue as unfortunately, I am bound by a natural compulsion to seek a wife.

�No one would pay attention to this childish request.�

That�s why I have not made such a request, rather I wished to illustrate that a person (could if they wanted to), pick at bits & pieces in anyone & everyone�s practice, but that kind of nagging will get us nowhere. Hence I wished to point out that, each and every one of us must acquire the etiquette to be able to meet with each other, on a �level plain�, & hence denounce �haughty attitudes�.

So let your grudge against me � go, because I refuse to hold anything against you.

If you do not it will only hinder your own path.

Wasalaam

nadir

Assalaamu Alaikum

If I may please just add, a humble apology to those whom I caused any offence, I am sorry. 

My statement �May be there should be a compulsory aspect of each persons �profile�, that states if they are married, or not!?� , was not intended to cause offence. The honest intention was in wishing to respect Allah (SWT), His Law - Islam, married women, & their families.

I hope you may find comfort in my apology, & trust that my explanation is valid.

Insha Allah

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

Nadir,your explanations on the married sisters are absolutely wrong and not matured;i wanted give you an example from the holy Qur'an,but it is so heavy that can shake your soul,let's forget and please don't give fatwas for the issues you don't know their behinds very well...

 your brother Suleyman

Assalaamu Alaikum

Sister Nausheen,

I accidentally deleted the PM you sent me, without reading it�.. I�ve just noticed now after checking my email account, hence if you wish to resend whatever it is you had to say, I will take heed of your view.

Insha Allah

Suleyman

if you wish to shake my soul, please do.....

i'd rather you be honest than, tempt & then runaway.....

if you wish to test my humbleness, i'll let you say whatever it is you please, and I will not respond or defend myself, please have the last say.....

nadir

Assalaamu Alaikum

Thank you for your PM�s on the issue Suleyman

I feel sad that you have so much mistrust in me.

I can assure you that the statement; �I could as a Muslim request that the married women be barred, to the women�s forum, however I would feel uncomfortable in doing so.�  Was purely an example to portray how a purest might think. If you deem my example out of place, I will take heed of what you say.

I have read articles saying that forums such as this are banned in certain (Muslim) countries. Hence I wished to illustrate how a person who would propose such a ban, might think when visiting this forum, & I could have (if I were to have used the above position) been more extreme in the example I gave.

I can assure after been raised within a society holding secular values, I have no (control) problem when mixing with the opposite sex. I have though witnessed what can happen, hence after embracing Islam, I would much rather side with Islamic Law (even if my interpretation at it�s currently level is still adjusting).

Hence I will gladly put down all thoughts of seeking a partner within this website, & treat the women here as purely Sisters in Faith.

Alhamdulilah

thanks brother for your explanations...take care.

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahaman ir rahim,

Nadir,

1. You have read the PM.

2. This is for you:

24:4. And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-

24:5. Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Assalaamu Alaikum

Dear Rami

Sorry I do not know quite what has happened here�.. honestly

If anything unjust has gone on here, it is my fault, I fear very much that you have seen something in what I write that was not even close to my own thoughts.

I have not read the PM Nausheen sent me, when I checked my private messages the other day, I saw two messages with the same title, and in my ignorance I deleted one of them without even reading it (surely the computer experts at this site can confirm this). When I checked my email account, where I receive notification of PM�s, I saw that the PM I had deleted was from Nausheen (probably a warning).

Rami, I do not know what Nausheen is referring to when she says, �what you have charged me with is an allegation on my character, and I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS AT ANY COST!!�

What have I charged her with? You are obviously in the know.

Rami please let me know �I also noticed he changed his post sister.� Which post you are referring to?

I wish to clear this up

O�Allah if this confusion has been caused because of my difference in character, please let them know of my innocence. Amin

Assalaamu Alaikum

Dear Rami

Sorry I do not know quite what has happened here�.. honestly

If anything unjust has gone on here, it is my fault, I fear very much that you have seen something in what I write that was not even close to my own thoughts.

I have not read the PM Nausheen sent me, when I checked my private messages the other day, I saw two messages with the same title, and in my ignorance I deleted one of them without even reading it (surely the computer experts at this site can confirm this). When I checked my email account, where I receive notification of PM�s, I saw that the PM I had deleted was from Nausheen (probably a warning).

Rami, I do not know what Nausheen is referring to when she says, �what you have charged me with is an allegation on my character, and I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS AT ANY COST!!�

What have I charged her with? You are obviously in the know.

Rami please let me know �I also noticed he changed his post sister.� Which post you are referring to?

I wish to clear this up

O�Allah if this confusion has been caused because of my difference in character, please let them know of my innocence. Amin

Assalaamu Alaikum

Sister Nausheen,

I am going to speak to you because my conscience is clear.

I respect you more than any other women in this forum, & I am sure you are of the soundest character. You have helped me tremendously, & I am most grateful to you for that.

I am starting to realise how you have perceived my words, and wish to admit that, my wording can (& will) be improved.

I pray that others will clear you of any misconduct here, because there is none, only some confusion�..

I hope you can smile a little over this mix up.

Insha Allah

Your brother

nadir

Assalaamu Alaikum

Sister Nausheen,

After carefully retracing the steps leading up to this confusion, my conscience has brought me to admit that, I have read the PM you sent me.

The cloudiness of my memory in this matter, was partly due to the fact that I deleted the PM, & partly due to my not remembering exactly where I had read that you were married (ie I laxly stored this memory, & it consequently became confused with what I had read in the �Boycott Rehamat� thread, which was also deleted, meaning I had no point of reference, with which to double check).

Hence sorry for my mistake, which has obviously contributed to you mistrusting me in other areas, where I can assure you (for what it�s worth), you have no reason to distrust me. If I make a mistake I will do my utmost to correct myself, & be honest with anyone else whom I have effected when making that mistake, hence I truly hope you may regain (if you ever had any in the first place) some trust in my words.

I have no problem (apparently) looking like a fool, as long as I am true to my conscience. I will always admit to mistakes (when I identify them), & would rather seek clarity (& look like a fool) than remain in ignorance.

Many, many, many, many, many apologies for the confusion I have caused.

Insha Allah

Brother Rami,

�Nadir you words which the sister deleted in another post can hardly be said to be a "mix up", any such repeat again and you run the risk of being banned.�

If you are referring to my lack of knowledge of exactly how to act with Muslim women, then I will gladly hold my hands up, & admit to defeat! I have been raised with secular values & am not 100% sure how to be around Muslim women. I certainly haven�t been helped (in learning more of this particular etiquette) by been completely separated from Muslim women, hence one of the reasons for my, been here.  

My confusion is in part due to the difference between what I have read in the Qur�an & Ahadith, & what actually occurs within the British society in which I live.

Before Nausheen posted the false accusation thing, I had already stated � �Hence I will gladly put down all thoughts of seeking a partner within this website, & treat the women here as purely Sisters in Faith.� As I realised my previous approach, no matter how careful or subtle, may cause problems. Hence I had already disassociated been here at this site, & my search for a wife (which I can no longer be bothered with).

I do hope Nausheen is not going to continue holding a grudge against me, because that would mean I am been punished for simply, not been born & raised Muslim. If it is not good enough that, I completely put down my search for a wife, than I might as well �give in�, here-now, because I cannot think of any thing else that I can do to appease the situation.

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahaman ir rahim,

Walaikum assalam,

nadir wrote:   Assalaamu Alaikum Sister Nausheen, After carefully retracing the steps leading up to this confusion, my conscience has brought me to admit that, I have read the PM you sent me.

Very well. Just remember, I have what is called 'an experience' dealing with people on the forums. I was certain you have read the message, there was no other explanation for your reaction.

Your note was written purely by you - you were not 'led on' to write it. Thus your insinuations that ur mistake is my fault is an allegation - and of a very serios nature. I hope you will not do this to anyone in future.

nadir wrote: I have no problem (apparently) looking like a fool, as long as I am true to my conscience. I will always admit to mistakes (when I identify them), & would rather seek clarity (& look like a fool) than remain in ignorance.

 

In order that your digninty is maintained among the board members, your clumsy mistake was kept private and you were sent a PM.

Also, u shld note, your mistake was initially considered as innocent, and you were not held for punishment of any sort. 

nadir wrote: Many, many, many, many, many apologies for the confusion I have caused.

 

Your apologies are accepted.

 

Just note one more point. Dont bother giving clarigfications to Br. Rami presuming he does not know anything. He has read your note.

 

Lastly, the post I was referring to as edited, was a mistake, i noticed later, u have not edited your other posts, so am sorry for that.

Just to avoid confusion, if you could use a bigger font, it will help.

 

Maa salaama.

 

 

 

 

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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa

Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena

wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR]

Assalaamu Alaikum

Sister Nausheen,

�Your note was written purely by you - you were not 'led on' to write it. Thus your insinuations that ur mistake is my fault is an allegation - and of a very serios nature. I hope you will not do this to anyone in future.�

If in my words you have perceived that, I have insinuated you have �led me on�, I am sorry, I�ve tried to make clear, as much as I can that this was not the case.

Please do not assume that the things I said the other day, were (entirely) a reaction to what you said in the PM (�there was no other explanation for your reaction�), there may be no other way for you to perceive my reaction, but you do not perceive me�..

As a moderator, I know you read over the posts, however it has become apparent that you have linked, things that I have said in different rooms/conversations/threads, together, when in fact there is was no link. I move from one place to another without carrying unnecessary baggage, & hence am able to separate, thoughts, feelings.  

�Just note one more point. Dont bother giving clarigfications to Br. Rami presuming he does not know anything. He has read your note.�

Now, you are taking me for a fool, I presumed Br. Rami would have read the posts. If you would be kind enough to expand your scope a little further, you might realise that from the upbringing/experiences I have had, the �note�, was an innocent & polite way to seek to get to know you further (it wasn't even done in privacy, ie a PM). It seems I can do no just.

Anyway I will go elsewhere seen as though you have no respect for me.

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh brother Nadir,

 Brother,may i request something from you;brother i come to the board after i have turned back from my job tires me everyday,when i came back from the job i want to read the messages in the board;but your color style bores my eyes.Truly,make my eyes scream...

 May be you love that color;but i can't read your posts;it makes physical pressure on my eyes after an hard day which i live everyday.As an sincere brother of you,i want to read your posts,will you help me with changing your color style...Wa Salaam...

Nadir,a small note for you:

 She is too angry!...please keep the silence... shhhhh!...so dangerous,she has the key of the board...

Nadir wrote:

"For You Allah (SWT)

 & thanks to Suleyman for bringing me closer to You (SWT)

not

because I bore your eyes, but because I do not need to�.."

Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh,

 Jazak Allah Khair brother,everything will be more good for you insh'Allah...i really want to read your sincere words for being in more dialogue with you that i requested from you for changing your color...thank you very much for your concern and accuracy...Wa Salaam...