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Islam feels so right to me, am I wrong?

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Topic: Islam feels so right to me, am I wrong?
Posted By: Sarita
Subject: Islam feels so right to me, am I wrong?
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 12:24pm

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!




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Posted By: rubies
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 3:55pm

Peace be with you Sarita,

It's funny, I remember having the same sort of feelings once when I too began to read the Quran for the first time and to experience that tranquil happiness and also for me there was a sense of recognition, that I was reading something that came from God.  It felt right and my soul loved it!  But I was Christian at the time, and I couldn't imagine letting go of that, because I believed in it and I loved Jesus too, so what to do?  Maybe I could be Christian and Muslim at the same time!?

But in reality, it is not possible to be Muslim and Christian - to believe the Quran and to believe that Jesus is God at the same time.   So, a moment of truth approaches, and the time will come when you will have to make a decision.  But for now, the best thing to do I think is to continue to read the Quran, and to turn to God for guidance with all your heart and to trust in God, and you know it is only God who guides us to the right path to Himself, and God does not reject the sincere seeker of truth.  I wish you all the best Sarita, and may God bless you too!



Posted By: StephenC
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

Be aware of any religion that will not let you ask questions about it.

Read some of my questions and the hateful responses.  Then decide whether Islam is what you think it is.



Posted By: air_one
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 3:40am
Nice reply from rubies.

I too wish you the best and mayb Allah bless you and give you guidance.
Amin.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:04am
Originally posted by <span>Sarita Sarita wrote:

From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam.

Sarita: Isn't a miracle of Quran that you are talking the same language as the Quran. IMHO the blessing of Allah are showering over you; you are the lucky one; Subhanallah Read the following Sign

QURAN/13:28 "Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah. for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction.
 

Originally posted by <span>Sarita Sarita wrote:

Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.
I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

It is normal to feel that way cs the human being is a product of habits which could be good or bad depending on  the cultural environment. You were brought up as Christian but you were born as Muslim baby. When  souls were created, they had pledged they will worship none but only one god i.e, Allah that means Muslim (who submits to one God)
Sister Sarita:  Another way to win the prize of redemption;  you have one heart and Allah mentions that heart close to 200 times in Quran and  Allah promises in one sign that if you bring Him that heart pure, you will get heaven in exchange. Pure heart = No God but Him in your heart not even yourself(i think the person's ego is bigger hassle than any other). It is true to err is human but Allah loves to forgive his devotees when they realize any wrong done to their souls. So as rubies said, once you finish Quran you will have the answer to your question.  God  Bless 


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:18am
Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

Be aware of any religion that will not let you ask questions about it.

Read some of my questions and the hateful responses.  Then decide whether Islam is what you think it is.


I will provide answers to her questions to best of my ability and knowledge Inshallah. Don't be ingrate I provided answer to your lame questions about Mecca  on another thread.
Who is proving to be hateful right now? stephenc
Allah also mentions the people of your ilk who have disease in their hearts and that is also obvious in your post


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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.


Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 7:39am

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Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 6:33am
Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

Hi Sarita,

The way you felt has occurred to many people who read Qur'an the first time. It is natural. When you read Qur'an with a neutral mind in order to learn the truth, Allah blesses you with the kind of feeling you experienced.

I would say, take one step at a time, and learn from proper sources--very very important.

As the time passes, there will be phase change, insha Allah ( God willing ). You will know yourself that Jesus ( peace be upon him ) is a Messenger of God. 

It is not possible to say, within domain of Islam, that Jesus is God. Because, Allah is the God, the one God, and He sent many Prophets and Messengers such as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the last Messenger Muhammad ( peace be upon all of them ) to guide the humanity.

Please keep reading Qur'an and gradually you will uncover the hidden treasures therein. And please come back here to clarify your doubts. There are many knowledgeable members here by the grace of Allah who can answer your querries.

May Allah guide us all.

Peace



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: Redneck
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:32am

Peace be to you,

 Islam is the submission to the will of God. The actions of Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) was a good example of how to submit to the One God.

 In Islam we worship the God that Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) worships. Christians say that Jesus (salahu alayhe wassalam) is God. In other words their God is worshiping ours.



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"One Nation Under Allah"


Posted By: StephenC
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Sign*Reader Sign*Reader wrote:

Originally posted by StephenC StephenC wrote:

Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

Be aware of any religion that will not let you ask questions about it.

Read some of my questions and the hateful responses.  Then decide whether Islam is what you think it is.


I will provide answers to her questions to best of my ability and knowledge Inshallah. Don't be ingrate I provided answer to your lame questions about Mecca  on another thread.
Who is proving to be hateful right now? stephenc
Allah also mentions the people of your ilk who have disease in their hearts and that is also obvious in your post

How is attempting to find God's truth hateful and diseased?



Posted By: Dzul
Date Posted: 08 November 2006 at 11:51pm

StephenC says, "Be aware of any religion that will not let you ask questions about it.

Read some of my questions and the hateful responses.  Then decide whether Islam is what you think it is."

Your reply here proved to me beyond any doubt that you are trying to get people away from knowing about Islam.

Why did you say "hateful responses"?
What about the insensitve ways or can I say "hateful ways" you put your questions across ?
The fact that you never accept the answers given to you and your reply has always been to put in another "hateful" question as a bait to make fun of Islam...

You know why we cannot leave your response alone to be the last comment ? People may thought your argument is correct or it is just too glaring and too misguided to be left alone. But like the previous post states, You have to work doubly or many many times harder to reach your objectives to even cast an atom of doubt WE Muslims have about our beloved Islam...  



Posted By: ysimjee
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 1:34am

Sarita

Its wonderful to hear that you are seeking the truth.

Google what the bible says about muhammed (saw), his mentioned, but not by name.  Isa (Jesus) (as) also mentioned in, i'm not 100% sure where, that the last messengar of Allah will come and he will not speak without the command of Allah. 

Also that the human race must not see him as God but must worship one God as he does.

Inshallah (if Allah wills) you will find what you looking for.



Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 5:19am

StephenC:

You continue to ask the same questions over and over whereas you have already received responses many times before. 

Sarita asked a question, and let those who know and believe in the Islamic faith respond her.

Please stay away from this thread or such threads.



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 09 November 2006 at 7:00pm

Bismillah

Stephen C,

Ask a hateful question and run a higher chance of getting a hateful answer. This is not Islam, by the way, just human nature in one of its ugly shapes.

Most of your questions, which come from non-Muslim (often Christian) argumentative websites and resources, have been answered at length by various scholars.

Although these provocative questions may seem confusing and can misguide those who are interested and new to Islam (like many on this board), the answers given by people of understanging only strengthen one's faith.

In fact, your recent posts on the board only reveal your true intentions and obvious spite towards Islam. If you are sincere, you should agree that this behaviour is unbecoming of a true Christian...

Let's not compare Sodomite Priests with Saddam Husseins... lets seek the Truth...

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     



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MOCKBA


Posted By: Sarita
Date Posted: 10 November 2006 at 7:25am
Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Stephen C,

Ask a hateful question and run a higher chance of getting a hateful answer. This is not Islam, by the way, just human nature in one of its ugly shapes.

Most of your questions, which come from non-Muslim (often Christian) argumentative websites and resources, have been answered at length by various scholars.

Although these provocative questions may seem confusing and can misguide those who are interested and new to Islam (like many on this board), the answers given by people of understanging only strengthen one's faith.

In fact, your recent posts on the board only reveal your true intentions and obvious spite towards Islam. If you are sincere, you should agree that this behaviour is unbecoming of a true Christian...

Let's not compare Sodomite Priests with Saddam Husseins... lets seek the Truth...

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

That was really beautifully stated, good for you!



Posted By: Redneck
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 5:56pm

Peace Sarita,

 Why does Islam feel like the right path?

 As far as I can tell it's because of the "fithra" The fithra is an inborn inclination to worship God and not to associate any partners with him. In every isolated nook and cranny on earth people worship a god of some sort. Even though we are born with this we are not born with the details of exactly how to worship.

Notice how all things do the will of God. Plants, animals, weather patterns. Planets stay aligned perfectly. There are all God's laws. Unlike the animals however people are reasoning creatures. In this case God had to take, as he had in his plans, a different approach with human beings. Rather than pre-programe us he sent amongst us messengers to give us the detailed plan to worship him. He sent to name a few, Adam, Noah, David, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and lastly Muhammad. (Peace be upon all of them). These messengers all came with miracles so that we would recognize them as messengers from God. All these messengers were good honest people who committed no major sins so that they would not only deliver God's message but would also act as good examples for us to follow in submitting to God. In short they practiced what they preached.

 When a person hears the words of these messengers and reads true stories of their lives it activates the fithra that is built into every one of us. As has been already said we are born with a clean fithra. Sometimes from wrong learning or the environment the fithra can become covered or seem to be temporarily out of order.

 As for my own story I grew up in the "bible belt" of the US and had a lifetime of Christian theology and training. When I picked up a translation of the Qur'an I came alive spititually. It answered questions faster that I could ask them.

 One thing that was always troubling to me as someone who loved Jesus(sallahu alayhe wassalam) with all my heart (I still do btw) is how could God let him die on a cross after Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) asked God for help? I wondered... If Jeusu's prayers went unanswered then where do I stand with God when I ask for help? I wept when I read in the Qur'an that God had answered the prayer of Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) when he prayed in the garden. I did not believe it at first but just the thought of it brought a tear to my eye. A perfect sinless man like Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) who taught love and forgiveness and God turned his back on him? Certainly God allows us trouble and trials hear on earth and for the believers as he erases our sins but Jesus (sallahu alayhe wassalam) had not sinned!

 It seemed I was constantly in conflict as a Christian. My mind and heart fought all the time. Islam brought the two together in agreement and God gives us guidance for the body as well. Islam is the complete submission to God. Heart, mind and body. This is what Jesus, (sallahu alayhe wassalam) was trying to explain to us.         &nb sp;

 



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Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 11:17am
A Simple Post, One More Try!

Islam includes political objectives. You should explore those objectives before you decide if Islam is for you. This is my second attempt to post this point.


Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 11:37am

Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

A Simple Post, One More Try!

Islam includes political objectives. You should explore those objectives before you decide if Islam is for you. This is my second attempt to post this point.

Peace to you

To Ejdavid: And what political objectives wouldl you say Islam has? Islam promotes the Ummah, or the community of followers that transcends manmade boundaries, nationalities, tongues and flags. I am sorry for those who are so wrapped up in flags and "political agenda" that they cannot see the forest for the trees.

To Sarita:

I invite you. Sarita, to read the last sermon of the Prophet Mohammad at http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0107-322 - http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0107-3 22

SO that you may have  a simple understanding of the brotherhood and fellowship that Islam encourages. It is the pure faith of the One God, Allah in Arabic, Yahweh or Jehovah in Hebrew. Commitment of faith requires investigation, heart searching and the necessity to "seek knowledge". Remember in the Hebrew Scriptures the prophet Moses stating in the first of what are commonly  called  the ten commandments:

1And God spoke all these words, saying:  2"I am the LORD thy God, who have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

   
   4"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

   
   5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them; for I, the LORD thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me,

   
   6and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My commandments.

   
That is from Exodus 20.  May Allah watch over you and help you find your path.



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Posted By: harrdnut
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by Sarita Sarita wrote:

I am a 26 year old mother of two, currently going through a divorce. I am also a Christian. I have been one my whole life, I was baptized in the church and am raising my kids in the church.

This summer I began making many friends online who all happen to be Muslim. I realized that I knew nothing about Islam whatsoever. So I began reading the Qu'ran and asking them questions, to better understand who they are. From the first line in the Qu'ran, I felt a warmth and comfort I have never felt before in my life. I seem to have a hunger to learn all I can about this beautiful religion. I agree with everything that is taught in Islam. Except when it comes to Jesus Christ, I really believe that He died for all of our sins and rose again. I believe that he is God.

I guess I want to know is it possible to believe in all of Islam and believe that Christ is God too? Would God allow me to know peace and joy in Islam if it was not true? Please help me. Thank you very much! God bless you all!

 

As a Christian who knows a little about Islam, let me tell you that it is extremely easy to be a Muslim but extremely difficult to practice what the Quran teaches.

Let me show you a few verses (Ayats) that will drive you cazy if YOU want to practice them:

  1. [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

The above is telling Muslims that they must fight for Allah's causes if they value the next life (after death) more than they value this life.  If you die while fighting for Allah, then there is a great reward.  So be willing to die for Allah's causes.

(All suicide bombers will be rewarded by Allah for dying for him).

Here is another one in which Muslims are told that only if they help Allah that Allah will help them.

  1. [47.7] O you who believe ! if you help (the cause of) Allah, He will help you and make firm your feet.

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As for believing in the Quran and believing in Jesus Christ as God or the Son of God, there is no room for that in Islam.

In Islam Jesus Christ is not God but a prophet of the god of Islam.  The Quran says tha Jesus Christ was never CRUCIFIED.

If Jesus was never crucified, then Christians better throw thier Bibles into a garbage dump and worship Satan or go into idol worship like the Hindus and the Budhists.

The whole Christian faith revolves round the truth that Jesus Christ gave His SINLESS LIFE by dying on a cross so SINFUL people like me can have eternal life in the very presence of almighty God in heaven.



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Posted By: harrdnut
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by ysimjee ysimjee wrote:

Sarita

Its wonderful to hear that you are seeking the truth.

Google what the bible says about muhammed (saw), his mentioned, but not by name.  Isa (Jesus) (as) also mentioned in, i'm not 100% sure where, that the last messengar of Allah will come and he will not speak without the command of Allah. 

Also that the human race must

 not see him as God but must worship one God as he does.

Inshallah (if Allah wills) you will find what you looking for.

Any Muslim person who says that prophet Mohammad is mentiond in the Holy Bible does not know the truth.  What Muslim scholars have done is:  They take Bible verses totally out of their right context and they twist the truth into a lie and then like a magician they deceive unsuspecting innocent people who have no knowledge about the truths of the Bible.

I challenge any Muslim here to show me even one verse in the Bible which proves that prophet Mohammad is mentioned in it.



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Once born twice dead, twice born once dead


Posted By: harrdnut
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 8:22pm

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

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Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

 



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Once born twice dead, twice born once dead


Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

 

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The verses have a context and setting. It would be as if I asked a Christian why jesus still does not want Jews to kill babies in the middle east, as he and his father and the holy ghost had commanded in the Hebrew Scriptures in the past.

Hope this helps.



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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 18 November 2006 at 9:31pm

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Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 6:34am
Maryah - You wrote: "And what political objectives wouldl you say Islam has?" Many Muslims throughout the world have many different political objectives. For instance, Hezbollah and Iranian leaders believe it is an Islamic Religious Duty to destroy Israel.

Other leaders are less war-like in their objectives, but ohters have even wider goals. Accordingly, "Redneck" should find out what political goals her particular Islamic mentors support, and why. Then decide whether or not she agrees or should seek those with other objectives.


Posted By: abuzaid
Date Posted: 19 November 2006 at 8:50pm

While writing about political objectives of Islam, let's not pull names of people are parties. This is period of chaos and whole media is controlled by non-muslim or rather anti-Islamic forces, we muslims are not even allowed to speak in media perticularly electronic media.

And Yes, Islam definitely have political objectives. We muslim are ordained to remove oppression from this planet, create healthy environment so that everyone gets a chance to grow spiritually and divine law be implemented on the land of God. So, what's wrong. Now, how individuals or different parties practically do this is another question and should not bother sister sarita.

However, I think this is not the right thread for this discussion. I think ejdavid should launch another thread to discuss the political objectives of Islam.

 



Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 4:17am

Let me repeat:

Sarita asked a question, and let those who know and believe in the Islamic faith respond her.

Others who can not positively contribute here, please stay away from this thread or such threads, otherwise it would be considered a serious offense. 



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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13


Posted By: amah
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 6:09am
ejdavid, stop posting in this thread.

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Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)


Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 6:11am
Speaking of censorship, I have never been as censored as on this ISLAMIC site! Even the liberal NY Times - although it banned me on numerous occasions - never erased any of my posts, as far as I can remember.



Posted By: ejdavid
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 6:24am
You are entitled to run your forum as you wish. Further, I understand your objections when unbelievers interfer with instructions to unbeleivers. Most religions have their own methods of inquiry and instruction, and it is not my place to bring the adversarial methods of Jews and Christians to a Muslims instructional site.


Posted By: abuzaid
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 8:24am

Mr. ejdavid

You are asked to stop posting on this thread and not on the forum itself. If you want have some say about political objectives of Islam, or if you feel that a divine religion should not have political objectives, than get my point and launch a new thread on the forum. This thread is started by sister sarita to clear her doubt about Jesus and orginal sin. Otherwise moderator's job is to moderate.



Posted By: abuzaid
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 8:48am

Sister sarita,

your feeling about Jesus being god is simply because you have been consistantly fed with this since your childhood.

Just find out for yourself.

Is there any unequivocable statement in bible where Jesus AS himself says that I am god or worship me.

Is there any unequivocable statement in bible where Jesus AS himself says that he came for the atonement of sins of mankind.

Also, don't you see how illogical is the belief that for the sin adam God would hold all his children responsible, look at what bible says

Deu 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.

Isn't original sin against bible?

Does God really required blood to forgive our sin, on one said its said that God's mercy is infinite and on other side he must get his son(Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! 19:89) killed to forgive human being. 

Again this is not something claimed by Prophet Jesus AS, but by later misguided people like saul (know to be st. paul) and his followers.



Posted By: amah
Date Posted: 20 November 2006 at 7:28pm

Dear Sarita,

There is a Chapter in the Quran, Surah Al Ikhlaas (translation by M.H.Shakir)

 

1 Say: He, Allah, is One.
2 Allah is He on Whom all depend.
3 He begets not, nor is He begotten.
4 And none is like Him.

 

Think about this, if God does not have any of these characteristics, can he be God?

Peace.

 



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Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)


Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:51am

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Posted By: abuzaid
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 8:22am
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

Abuzaid:

There are more verses in the Bible that advocate punishment for the sins of others, than there are against. Here is an example:

Exodus 20:5 and Deuteronomy 5:9 both say: I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation

  For the sake of argument even if we agree that, this is what's revealed by God.

Than its talking only about fourth generation and not fifth and later.

secondly, this verse is only talking about punishment and not death

third, if any christian present this verse againt what I presented, it only proves contradiction in bible, which also disprove concept of original sin.

actually problem is not old testament itself, its actually a desire of christians to believe what has been belived for years by their forfathers. They believe something and try to find its proof from bible, if they get something against their belief, they ignore it and if they feel something in the favour of their belief they take it.

However, I know they can present much more than what you have pointed out. But, almost everything can be refuted, finally its their desire to believe what they believe.

Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

It is truly hard for many Christians to come to terms with the contradictions in their Book,
Yes its really hard
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

and I pray that Sarita can discover and learn with the guidance of Allah, al-Rashid.
  Ameen



Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 2:46pm

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Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 21 November 2006 at 3:38pm

Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

Maryah - You wrote: "And what political objectives wouldl you say Islam has?" Many Muslims throughout the world have many different political objectives. For instance, Hezbollah and Iranian leaders believe it is an Islamic Religious Duty to destroy Israel.

Other leaders are less war-like in their objectives, but ohters have even wider goals. Accordingly, "Redneck" should find out what political goals her particular Islamic mentors support, and why. Then decide whether or not she agrees or should seek those with other objectives.

Peace: 

Yes and these are cultural and Nationalist goals, not Islamic.

It amazed me how people judge something they know little of.

 

This is an ayat, or verse, discussed in our last kutbah, or Friday service, by our Imam:

 33:35 For muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise,- for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. - http://mediaserver.hadi.org:8080/ramgen/qurantts/33-35.rm?mode=compact"> English

Nowhere in that verse does it discuss bombing others, killing others, or nationalist concerns. Do you realize how many people have died or have been misplaced so that Israel may exist? That is the cause of the anger. If someone marched into your house and told you you needed to leave because God said their ancestors owned the house and they want it back, wouldn't you be angered? I invite you to imagine yourself and walk a few miles in the shoes of the dispossessed  before you judge others. I am not saying it is right to strike back but I can understand the feelings others may endure.

I am an American citizen that spent the first 15 years of her life living abroad and I can tell you, America isn't always sweet smelling outside of the box. I suggest you take a trip outside of Utopia at some time and to stop and smell the flowers and the thorns.



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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.


Posted By: Seeking
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Andalus Andalus wrote:

Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

 

The verses have a context and setting. It would be as if I asked a Christian why jesus still does not want Jews to kill babies in the middle east, as he and his father and the holy ghost had commanded in the Hebrew Scriptures in the past.

Hope this helps.

 

Dear harddnut: Ever care to find out about the context and setting?

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Posted By: Seeking
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

Islam is the religion of submission to the Creator and Master of Everything... it is not religion of arguments and quarrels, political polls and election campaigns... It is not a religion that should be sought from those who simply call themselves Muslims... but religion that should be sought from the Qur'an and authentic teachings of Muhammad, the Final Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).     

Since Islam is total submission to the god of the Quran, may I ask you and other Muslims like ou why you asll are NOT prctiing what prophet Mohammad preached?

Pl. tell me why you are not FIGHTING against non-Muslims for Allah?

Here are 2 ayats that prove my point:

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

 

[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah

 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

Dear Harddnut,

Please look at some of these verses from the Bible:

Leviticus 25:44 (New International Version)

" 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Samuel

 

 1 Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. 2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

 

Exodus 15

 

3 The LORD is a warrior; 
   the LORD is his name

 

Numbers 31

7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba�the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [a]

 

Luke 19:22-27 

 

26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them�bring them here and kill them in front of me

 

 

Mark 7:10 (New International Version)

10For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[a] and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[b]

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-16 (New International Version)

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Harddnut, a question for you: Does the Bible really preach and condone violence, or are the above verses taken out of contexts? Would you like some more examples of how you come across with your questions? 

 

Care to find out the context within which the Quranic ayats you quoted were written?

Peace!

 

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Posted By: lalala
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 11:51pm
Hi Sarita, :)

May God Guides me to speak truth & right. Yes, I had felt that warmth too, it's like the heart is spilling with light. It's beautiful. :) About God, muslim believe in the One God, Most High from everything He creates. We say the shahadah, "there is no God but Allah & Muhammad is His messenger". Maybe you can read surah Al-Ikhlas (sincerity). It is very simple, yet it's value is 1/3 of the Quran. & Amah has posted it for you, thanks Amah. :)

Additionally, Quran mentions Jesus being a human. Just like us - only he is a messenger, a sign to the Children of Israel.

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/019.qmt.html#019.035 - 019:035 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/043.qmt.html#043.059 - 043:059-60 He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel. And if it were Our Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.079 - 003:079-80 It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's"; on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! Would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (to Allah in Islam)?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.116 - 005:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


If you like to read, maybe this
Jesus story from the Quran can help?
May God Guides us all, amen. Correct me if I'm mistaken, somehow.  :)


Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 08 December 2006 at 6:14pm

I read with interest the post from Sarita, however I was disappointed with all the back-biting and he said this and he said that.  Is there a peaceful way to discuss Islam without all the bashing? There is enough of that in the world as it is.  for people like me who really want to learn it is hard to wade through these forums and get what i need to make intelligent decisions.  

I would like to relate my story about how i became interested in Islam.  I work in a retail store and one two muslims came in looking for beads to for a prayer (I'm at a loss for the corrected word) chain.  In talking with them I asked some questions about can a non-believer use a prayer chain.  I informed them I was looking for ways to enhance my spirituality and they told me of the sufis and the 99 names of allaah. during the discussion my eyes welled up with tears and I was overcome with a strong feeling of peace and love. thus began my quest to learn more abour Sufi and then Islam. i have a Quiran and have begun to read it.  So if i can have some pertinent feedback without the back biting I would appreciated it.



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Posted By: Hayfa
Date Posted: 11 December 2006 at 10:38am

Hi Sarita,

There is nothing at all unusual being confused by the different messages that you have heard or read. One thing that is that you want to use you mind. Allah gave us this mind to use. There is nothing wrong with asking questions, in fact Allah told us to. ( I do not have the verse readily available.)

Thisis a good place to ask questions. And keep in mind that that answers are in the Quran as you read them. People are only people and make mistakes or are corrupt. So try less to be influenced by people as you do by the Quran. In the end, we will all die, alone. We will face Allah alone. We answer for ourselves and our actions.  Do what you feel and know is right. NOT what other people do or say. There are good and healthy people and there are bad and unhealthy too.

Remember, only Allah knows what is in your heart and mind. Stay connected to that.

 

 



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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi



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