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Topic: Are Khanazeer Allowed here?
Posted By: Whisper
Subject: Are Khanazeer Allowed here?
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 11:04am

If someone behaves and smells like a khanzeer, we must treat him, her or "it" just as that.

RuggedTouch would be certified as a psychopath just if some psychologist went through his posts and noticed his obssessive and abusive behaviour. It will be in absolute order to throw this khanzeer from this august forum. He should be bluntly told that enough is enough and he must go and lick his smelly wounds eleswhere, we are not a psychiatric ward or something like that.




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Posted By: ZEA J
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 2:54pm

Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

He should be bluntly told that enough is enough ... .... 

definitely!



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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 8:34pm

Whisper, I do not expect this khanzeer to behave differently, it is in the nature of such a creature. Actually, I must admit that the khanzeer has been quite useful to me because he has helped me to understand something which would have taken me much longer to realize. I am therefore grateful that he came along when he did.

To the Brothers and Sisters I want to say: I am incredibly disappointed in you who have sat and read in silence what has been posted here within the past few weeks. This �person� did not just commit ONE single transgression or made an insult. EVERYDAY, he has posted the most insulting and vile garbage I have ever seen on this forum and NO ONE has felt the need to even politely asked that he should stop. Perhaps I should have been silent as well, but I strongly, very strongly believe that, to be silent is to be complicit. At first I expected that you would voice your displeasure, then I thought that soon the mods would step in, but it has only been Whisper and Zea. The mods don�t care, especially not those who like to shine with pages and pages of back and forth �dialogue�!

I feel that this is not a community and there is no togetherness here. This forum nothing more than a sounding board for egos who feel the need to impress their �audience� by outdoing each other with �scholarly� opinions, quotes and �educated� dialogues about hijab, idiotic imam, depression and such issues, and to "show" that they are more pious than everyone else.

I have been impolite and ill-mannered at times and I do not expect anyone to follow my bad examples. I admire those who have true knowledge of the wisdom and beauty of Koran and the teachings of Muhammad, but I feel abandoned even by them. Should there not be a balance? Where is the courage to stand up against this khanzeer? Is it not correct to oppose him? Why are you so silent?



Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 10:49pm

And ever anything noble, anything of substance, is placed on the board, he is not capable of any response and exactly as an absolute khanzeer, he rolls in the muck.

He reminds me of a poster in early 2002, he was dead against Pakistanis and would seeth at the mention of anything and everything to do with that country. Somehow, we got around a chat. I found out that some silly very rich Paki had made away with his girlfriend and he couldn't fill that wound.

This chap is far more sick.



Posted By: mariyah
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 1:42am
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

And ever anything noble, anything of substance, is placed on the board, he is not capable of any response and exactly as an absolute khanzeer, he rolls in the muck.

He reminds me of a poster in early 2002, he was dead against Pakistanis and would seeth at the mention of anything and everything to do with that country. Somehow, we got around a chat. I found out that some silly very rich Paki had made away with his girlfriend and he couldn't fill that wound.

This chap is far more sick.

Que triste..

I have reported this above mentioned person several times to the moderators for his personal attacking comments to Muslims and there has not been anything done, we must endure his insult even here?

Dear moderators, I have a fairly good command of the English language and I am sure this person has violated the following "rules" that you have created for this forum:

 

16. Slanderous, defamatory, obscene, indecent, lewd, pornographic, violent, abusive, insulting, threatening, or harassing comments are not tolerated. ALL comments by the person who adopts such a manner may be removed and the person will lose the privilege of participating in the forums in future. We will try to block attempts from the same person to sign up with a different User name as well.



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Posted By: Duende
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 10:13am
Like many regular posters, I've been lurking lately, since
RuggedTouch appeared, feeling bruised by this man's (it is only ever
men who behave this way) consistent attacks against Islam. Like
Hanan I felt upset so few people were standing up to him, but even
when I tried, he either ignores or doesn't even bother reading,
therefore protecting his biases and prejudices against rational
argument and even the presentation of proof negating his views.

The most upsetting thing, is that no moderators have done their job
regarding his innumerable offensive posts.

I come here for the handful of posters I do feel form a community,
we are abandoned however, by the mighty moderators who don't
even seem to be lurking, just plain ignoring. Maybe they feel this
adds 'spice' to the site? On the contrary, when someone like him
comes along, many regular members feel powerless to refute him
since every attempt bounces off, many of us simply leave the site in
the hope that he'll get tired one day and let us get back to posting as
normal.

If we all send a notification of our views about RuggedTouch to the
administrators, perhaps they'll wake up and take notice. He does not
belong here and is something like an advanced model internet troll:
"Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise).
You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel
shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be
made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are
bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding
others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll,
he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that
trolls can't handle is being ignored."


Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 3:48pm

Dear Duende,

That's why I've not read 99 percent of what he has written.  And I vaguely remember reporting him as well. The moderators need to trust the members who are paying attention when we report people who are just coming here to distract us from our goals of community and communication and peace and education...

Salaams.



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Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

If someone behaves and smells like a khanzeer, we must treat him, her or "it" just as that.

RuggedTouch would be certified as a psychopath just if some psychologist went through his posts and noticed his obssessive and abusive behaviour. It will be in absolute order to throw this khanzeer from this august forum. He should be bluntly told that enough is enough and he must go and lick his smelly wounds eleswhere, we are not a psychiatric ward or something like that.

 

guys take it easy

I be treated that way when I go to jewish forums or anti islamic forums we shall show him that we are 1000 times better than them

So take it easy

and leave him to me



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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 5:48pm
Shery, we are not allowed to touch  Please be careful.


Posted By: Aisha Muslima
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 8:01pm

assalam alikum brothers and sisters, Im deeply hurts by ur actions then the actions of Rugged Touch or Stephen C or others like them. We are Muslims we are suppose to fallow our great prophet Mohammad (SAW). You all know that our prophet never insults or hurts a kaffir or a non muslim.

I know they spread lies and trouble and their only points is to hurt us and try to turn ourshelf away from Islam but it allways was like this and it allways be like this. They hate to see the Muslims love and be confortable with Islam with pride. Often these peoples who cannot let goes someone else life, are confortable with themshelf and are fill of anger. But that no reason to put oil in the fire by insulting them or bashing their religions since there is no complusion in religions. We are suppose to be the role model! 

About Shery and Angel :

Shery: what kind of culture is this ?

Angel: It is no culture, just some individual's/s irresponsibile shameless disgusting perverted act.

Shery: then why you are judging the whole islamic world with some individual muslim act ?????? in your part you always have excuse for your actions but in our part we are always guilty and bad

Angel still a nice women. I never seen her said anything bad agaist the Muslims and she never said that all the Muslims are all the same...and if she dose think it is, she wrong since a person is not responsible for the actions of others...and ur not a bad person Shery but dont forget the example of Mohammad (SAW).

Also the moderator should controle this issue, this forums is suppose to be a place to share ideas, questions and have a understading of Islam. These peoples who only bring lies, articles (im not even sure if these articles are true since Medias often makes change), also bring frustrations to EVERYONE on this forum and dont want to learn about Islam at all and dont even read the answer, they should be basnish. Also if the moderators can do it, please delete all those articles who have nothing to do with Islam. 

Allah know best

and also if peoples here do not change their nasty behaviours I be force to leave just like the other did since I want to learn about Islam and be a better Muslimah. And I know this behaviors is not Islamics.  



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Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 6:09am
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Originally posted by Aisha Muslima Aisha Muslima wrote:

assalam alikum brothers and sisters, Im deeply hurts by ur actions then the actions of Rugged Touch or Stephen C or others like them. We are Muslims we are suppose to fallow our great prophet Mohammad (SAW). You all know that our prophet never insults or hurts a kaffir or a non muslim

I agree

 

Originally posted by wrote:

I know they spread lies and trouble and their only points is to hurt us and try to turn ourshelf away from Islam but it allways was like this and it allways be like this. They hate to see the Muslims love and be confortable with Islam with pride. Often these peoples who cannot let goes someone else life, are confortable with themshelf and are fill of anger. But that no reason to put oil in the fire by insulting them or bashing their religions since there is no complusion in religions. We are suppose to be the role model! 

Still agree

Quote About Shery and Angel :

Shery: what kind of culture is this ?

Angel: It is no culture, just some individual's/s irresponsibile shameless disgusting perverted act.

Shery: then why you are judging the whole islamic world with some individual muslim act ?????? in your part you always have excuse for your actions but in our part we are always guilty and bad

well well well AISHA
I think you missed the point ...

I didnt mean that ANGEL is theone who is judging the islamic world

it seems you are missing how we live thise days

the war against islam and how they talk about islam and prophet mohamed

and I m the one who came BEFORE YOU Here telling them to not treat this man that way

 

and now you are acting that way ( to prove what) you are a good person and I m bad person

and who you might be to tell

you still not bad shery

I think ( THE LACK OF KNOWING ISLAM )

is what leaded muslims to not be able to treat eachother

I know I sound rough

I didnt say i m sheikha or preacher

I m just a normal person who would do anything to defend islam

even from the weak muslims themselves

( BEAR THAT IN YOUR MIND ) .

Originally posted by wrote:

ngel still a nice women. I never seen her said anything bad agaist the Muslims and she never said that all the Muslims are all the same...and if she dose think it is, she wrong since a person is not responsible for the actions of others...and ur not a bad person Shery but dont forget the example of Mohammad (SAW).

 

Listen AISHA

you are putting ur self in god position here

you are judging me and angel !

who you might be to gives yourself that right ?

and what i have said to angel to hurts her fragile feelings !

You sound as a typical muslims who always screw everything by criticising his otehr fellow muslim

Lets keep criticising eachother in front of christian and jew

so they get benefit from that

you simply could pm telling me your opinion

But it something in your heart and satan whisper in your ears

to publish your godly opinion about me and the nice lady

Have i said she is not nice ?

well You dont know me and you cant judge me

and I dont know you and i cant judge you

So give me one reason why you are doing that ?

to show angel that muslim support the non muslim if the other muslim are wrong ?

bravo ... bravo ..

Let me tell you a small information for your whole life

That wouldnt lead you to nothing but for fail

cuz I have tried years and years to be nice with jew and christian

and I have got nothing but transgrassion against islam

they cant accept islam and they wont ..

simply cuz if they wanted to believe in islam

at least they would argue with a good manners

not with insulting our prophot and our islam .

SO DONT JUDGE ME ...
cuz you really put your self in god position and that is a REAL MISTAKE .

Quote   Also the moderator should controle this issue, this forums is suppose to be a place to share ideas, questions and have a understading of Islam. These peoples who only bring lies, articles (im not even sure if these articles are true since Medias often makes change), also bring frustrations to EVERYONE on this forum and dont want to learn about Islam at all and dont even read the answer, they should be basnish. Also if the moderators can do it, please delete all those articles who have nothing to do with Islam. 

 

Well again AISHA

I see that this forums is the best

when I came here and saw how people defend islam

I was so proud of all of them

they are all good people

if they sometimes get frustrated from a person who aims nothing but to irritate them

THEY ARE HUMAN
and HUMAN ARE ALWAYS MAKE MISTAKES

we are NOT ANGELS !

Originally posted by wrote:

Allah know best

Yes ALLAH KNOW BEST

SO you never ever judge others ....

and categorize who is nice and who is bad ..

not your right .. and who qualified you to do that ?

Quote   and also if peoples here do not change their nasty behaviours I be force to leave just like the other did since I want to learn about Islam and be a better Muslimah. And I know this behaviors is not Islamics.

You want to learn about islam theres many sites to teach you about islam

and I think here its more about politics debates and religion debates

Tell me MS AIsha

how can you deal with people who rape and kill your children and woman

Tell Me MS Aisha

if you are safe in your country while you other muslim are naked and being raped

is that what prophet mohamed said ?

is that what your islam said ?

if you want to apply the real islam

SO if i were you i spent the whole night at least praying for those who been tortured and killed by those ( ANTI christ troops USA )

instead of criticising your other fellow muslims

If you for once felt the pain of others muslims

who cant live in safety .. I would consider you as the perfect muslim .



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Posted By: Whisper
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 6:20am

Good luck my sisters, you may be able to at as one of the Khulfa e Rashideen, we are plain simple mortals, we won't mind slaying a sick khanzeer when we see one.

Were he some human, we may have considered acting otherwise.



Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 7:06am

Aisha Muslima wrote: assalam alikum brothers and sisters, Im deeply hurts by ur actions then the actions of Rugged Touch or Stephen C or others like them. We are Muslims we are suppose to fallow our great prophet Mohammad (SAW). You all know that our prophet never insults or hurts a kaffir or a non muslim

Aisha, I am not a prophet. I am a human being with many flaws and faults. I am unable to always speak and act in a perfect manner, and for this I apologize to all the Sisters and Brothers who may have been offended by things I've posted.

Often I am not diplomatic and subtle - I call it as I see it, and what I see in your post (see the quote above) is that you are an expert in diplomacy and subtle innuendoes. To make allowances for the behavior of the two non-Muslims you�ve mentioned, you are insulting them. They are to be excused for their bad behavior because they are non-Muslims? Are they then less human and must be held to a lower standard, perhaps a step below Muslims?

BTW: Although the meaning of �Kafir� and �non-Muslim� is the same, we have been advised to say �non-Muslim�.



Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 8:35pm
BTW, Prophets were also human and were set as examples by Allah to be followed by the people.


Posted By: Shery
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 9:18pm

Originally posted by candid candid wrote:

BTW, Prophets were also human and were set as examples by Allah to be followed by the people.

 

yes very true I agree

 

but have you heard about those verses :

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73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed

123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him

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29. Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

Surat 48 victory ,conquest

 

So yes we shall follow our prophet and make them our example

but when that is when those who disbelieve dont attack you

or kill your children and rape your woman ..

When they stop transgression .. then we shall treat them nicely for sure !

 

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35. Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds

Surat Muhammed .47

So defenitely we shouldnt keep trying to make peace while they dont even want peace

 

they dont want nothing but genocide our culture and our islam

 

and if muslims dont see that !!!! then we are in real trouble !



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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 9:21pm

BTW, Prophets were also human and were set as examples by Allah to be followed by the people.

Then why don't you follow their example and not bother me with such snide remark. I must assume that you're in agreement with the troll since I didn't see you disagree with him.

BTW: is it so boring across the pond that you have to come here and post nothings?



Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 9:49pm

It was also for others. Not just for you. Many seems to have forgotten.

You want me to give link to the thread where I had told him to go. Ruggedtouch should go, but he deserved to be told that politely. I don't understand how can moderators tolerate calling him a 'khanajeer'.



Posted By: candid
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 10:01pm

Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

I must assume that you're in agreement with the troll since I didn't see you disagree with him.

Ok, I have found out the link where I told him to go:-

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7402&PN=2&TPN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7402& ;PN=2&TPN=1

I haven't said anything agianst what he posted because I prefer to ignore his thrash. In fact, if you haven't been insulting him since the beginning he won't have been as much a nuisance as he is now. If we all had ignored him totally, he would have probably been gone by now. 

I hope you admit (atleast to yourself), your insults have failed to deter him.



Posted By: Angel
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 3:52am
Originally posted by Hanan Hanan wrote:

BTW, Prophets were also human and were set as examples by Allah to be followed by the people.

Then why don't you follow their example and not bother me with such snide remark. I must assume that you're in agreement with the troll since I didn't see you disagree with him.

BTW: is it so boring across the pond that you have to come here and post nothings?

What makes you think that Candid was talking to you, just because a post is directly underneath yours doesn't make it so



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Posted By: fatima
Date Posted: 06 November 2006 at 4:42am

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

The IC Moderators' team is trying to resolve this matter of abusive posts alonside some other matters. However; at current there is bit of delay in things and we ask for your patience. In the meantime we are going to try and delete posts by this person.

I am going to close this thread as it is becoming a mean for insulting fellow muslims and a score settling. I am sure all of you are knowledgeable enough to know the reason behind why we are not allowed to curse gods of other people. I am not saying this particular person did what he did because of your or my post, what i am trying to say is please read this thread again and see, is this an islamic behaviour?

Specially dealing with your own, a young sister said something and its upon her to defend each and single word she wrote, same for the brother he only wrote something which he thought might help to calm things down. Did you think maybe they meant well and even not then there is a way to say things to people. We say about how people treat us, have you ever thought how we treat each other? Everybody insults islam but have you every thought what our own actions are doing to same islam? If we going to treat each other the way we do, no one else is going to show respect for us.

wassalam



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