Then why are the fishes allowed? They too don't hava a 'neck'.

I think pig is not allowed because it gather its food by pouncing/swooping on its prey. It, sort of, snatches its food.

As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.)

I'm not hundred percent sure regarding fish.  But also not all type of fish is allowed for consumption

But i was told by a Appa that animals with split hoofs and no neck is haraam in islam.

Pork is a dirty discasting animal. 

It is stated in the Quran that swine is haraam for consumption.

I think this site is informative:-

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/pleasure_hunting.shtml - http://www.albalagh.net/qa/pleasure_hunting.shtml

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=554&o=88510 - http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=554&o=88510

http://reactor-core.org/food-laws.html - http://reactor-core.org/food-laws.html

All horned animals have split hoofs.

Asked around regarding fish.

According, one of the prophets cut the gills into a fish.  If there is no other food around then fish is allowed.

Because The Lord Almighty had forbidden it earlier, before the advent of Islam.

The Lord God said in 14:8 Deutronomy,"The pig is also unclean;although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are therefore not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses."

Now when the Lord God has already declared that the pig is unclean and has forbidden it, no one is supposed to eat it.

BMZ

Thank you BMZ for clarifying.

Unfortunatly the western world chances everything to their liking and lifestyle

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

Islam does not allow the meat of animal which consume faeces and this included pigs in the old days. Now the modern world argues why is it bad now because they are given good healthy food. Alhamdulillah There are many wisdoms behind each legislation in islam, modern research shows what pork brings to human body.

A. Diseases caused by pork and pig.

Parasitic Diseases.
1. Trichinilla spiralis:
It is the most dangerous parasite to man. It is prevailing widely in countries which eat pork but lacking in countries which prohibit pork consumption e.g. Muslim countries.

Dr. Glen shephard wrote the following on the dangers of eating pork in the 31th May, 1952 issue of the Washington Post, Washington:-

"One in six people in the United States of America and Canada have germs in their muscles - trichinosis - from eating pork infected with trichina or trichina - worms, many people so infected, have no symptoms. Most of those who do have, recover very slowly some die, some are reduced to permanent invalids. All were careless pork eaters."

"No one is immune from this disease and there is no cure. Neither anti-biotics nor drugs, nor vaccines affect these tiny deadly worms. Preventing infections is the real answer."

"Fully grown trichina worms are about 1/8" long and about 1/400" board. They remain alive for up to 40 years, curled up in lemon-shaped invisible tiny capsules between muscle fibres".

"When you eat infected meat, those dormant worm capsules are digested but their contents grow into full-sized worms each of which has about 1,500 off-springs. They get into your blood one to two weeks after you have eaten their parents, because many organs can be invaded by the worms, symptoms can resemble those of 50 other diseases. This makes diagnosis difficult."

"Ordinary methods of salting and smoking do not kill those worms; nor can government inspection of meat at packing houses or abattoirs identify all infected pork".

After reading the statement of Dr. Shephard, we can presume that there is no real guarantee of safety, even when eating pork which is not affected by trichina worms. To take pork then, is a gamble with one's health and to put one's life at stake. 

2. Taenia solim (Pork tape worm)

Both eggs and larvac (cysticenra) are infective. These worms are only found in pork eaters. The worm may cause malnourishment of the host leading to anaemia, diarrhoea. Toxins produced may have deleterious influence on various systems of the body. In some patients the knowledge that they have such long worm inside their bellies may lead to extreme depression melancholia and digestive disturbances. Cysticercosis means that larvac enter the blood stream then settle down in one or more of the vital organs of the body e.g. brain, liver, lungs or spinal cord. They grow and encapsulate, leading to pressure symptom around, resulting in dangerous diseases.

3.   Round worms: e.g. Ascaris, which may lead to digestive disturbances, appendicitis, obstructive jaundice.

4. Hook worms: e.g. Ancylostomiasis, which may lead to anaemia, edema, heart failure or retarded growth (mentally and physically).

5. Schistosoma Japonicum: Bleeding, anaemia and other syndromes. If ova are settled in the brain or spinal cord, paralysis and death may occur.

6. Paragonimes westermaimi: leading to bleeding of the lungs.(Endenve haemoptysis).

7. Faciolepsis buski: (Digestive disturbance is leading to persistent diarrhoea. Generalized edema.

8. Clonorchis sinensis: Chlonorchiasis - obstructive jaundice, liver enlargement.

9. Metastrongylus apri: Causing bronchitis, abscess of the lungs.

10. Giganthorinchus gigas: An anaemia and digestive disorders.

11. Balantidium coli: causing acute dysentry and general weakness.

Other Worms and Parasites in the pig

Bacterial diseases:
1.Tuber-Bacillis (Tuberculosis).
2.Fusiformis necrofurus: Causing foot-rot which is very difficult to heal.
3.Salmonella cholera suis: causing cholera.
4.Paratyphoid
5.Bruceellosis: Acute, subacute and chronic. It may lead to permanent disabilities.
6. Swine Erysipelas: causing Erysipelas in man.  

Viral diseases:
1. Smallpox: Pig was a source of infection to man, but now controlled universally.
2. Japanese-B-encephalitis: It was the cause of death of many persons in an epidemic outbreak in Sri Lanka in the year of 1985. Pig was the only source of infection.
3.Western River Virus encephalitis.
4.Russian River encephalitis.
5.Viral myocarditis.
6.Influenza
7. Foot mouth disease.
8. Gastro-enteritis of the new born babies.  

Protozoal diseases:
Toxo plasma goundii: causing toxoplasmosis. It is a very dangerous disease. A new born babe of an infected woman may die within few days or weeks after delivery. But if he survives he may develop blindness or deafness. In adults chronic exhaustive fever with enlarged liver and spleen may occur. Pneumonia, myocarditis or cerebro-spinal meningitis may lead to death or madness. The patient may become blind and deaf too.

B. Diseases to biological composition of Pork.

1. Uric acid accumulation. Pig is considered the animal which has a high percentage of uric acid in his flesh. It only excretes 2% of its uric acid in urine, the remainder becomes part of his flesh composition. Pig always feels pain in his joints because of gout. Man excretes about 90% of uric acid in the urine and other animals differ in the ratio of excretion of uric acid.
2. Fats in Pigs: Pork contains more than two and half times fat than mutton or beef. Therefore people who are fond of pork are more obese than others. Cholesterol is higher in their blood which makes them more prone to atherosclerosis cardiovascular accidents and sudden death than others.

3. Indigestion: Other flesh is more digestable than Pork , Mutton or beef remains 2-3 hours in the stomach after eating but Pork remain 4 hours till digested. They may lead to chronic digestive disturbances.
4. Skin diseases: Pimples, boils, cysts are common in pork eaters.
5. Pork encourages the revival of old ailments, fosters Rheumatism and asthma and may lead to sterility. German doctors noticed that the wounded Turkish Muslim soldiers who never eat pork and admitted to hospitals during the European wars were cured in a much shorter time than were German soldiers who eat pork. Therefore they forbade strictly the German soldiers from eating pork during hospitalization. 

Thank you, ysimjee.

And that also shows that the words of the Good Lord never change.

I suspect that one dish will be coming up soon in response. Do you know what is that? It has something to do with "in" and "out"!

Mind everyone here that even Jesus never ate pork. He was a fish person.

BMZ 

Jazakallah Fatima for your clear Description on how dangerous it is to eat swine.

It is amazing what people will do to make something lawful...

A friend of mine told me that it is said that one day a muslim declaire that swine is halaal and it may be eaten.

Allah forbid something like that happening, but if it does, inshallah our muslim brothers and sisters imaan wont be so weak as to give into something that is haraam.

> 1. Trichinilla spiralis:
> It is the most dangerous parasite to man. It is prevailing widely in countries which eat pork

If the above statement is true, then you should have no trouble providing evidence which proves that trichinilla is common in Canada.  Please provide us with the evidence. 

No offense Candid, ok

candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.)

Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept.

Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ??

ysimjee wrote: Jazakallah Fatima for your clear Description on how dangerous it is to eat swine.

Same can be said about chicken

Cyril wrote: The only reason why pork is forbidden in Islam is the reason given by Bmz: "Because The Lord Almighty had forbidden it earlier, before the advent of Islam." The explanations of pork being too dangerous to eat are attempts by people, embarrassed by the good health and long-life expectancy of pork-eating Westerners, to find excuses to a seemingly pointless dietary law. Hundreds of millions of people raise and eat pork in tropical climates (South China, Indochina, Papua) without suffering from pork induced diseases. My explanation of the ban on pork in Judaism and Islam is probably because, thousands of years ago, it was such an important animal (as the pig is economically)  that it became somehow sacred and eventually a taboo. In the following centuries the religious origin of that taboo became forgotten and only remained the idea that the pig was unclean. A similar process of sacralization can be observed with the cow in Hinduism.

I have to lean towards Cyril on this. Pigs used be and are sacred animals to alot people just like the cow in Hinduism.

I would say eating wild boar and undomesticated pigs would be dangerous and for that i would be with fatima of what she brought across. I don't necessarily disagree with the information but today's pigs or pork are pretty much regulated for consumption, if such pigs were found to be unhealthy and/or have diseases, I don't think pork would get passed the health organisations. The same with chicken/duck/turkey/cows/sheep and goats.

As with all meats unproperly unprepared and not stored properly and not cooked properly would cause illnesses.

I have always eaten pork and there is nothing wrong with me, no worms as such, the same as with those, who i know eat pork. It is a really good source of thiamin and protein. As I'm sure you have heard before pigs are a clean animal dispite them rolling around in mud  which is also known to be good for your skin by the way

Feed them a healthy diet the better, that goes for chicken/duck/turkey and cows, goats, sheep  

Now, I am not trying to convince anyone to eat pork or sway from religious teachings.  whenever the subject of pork comes up I always say pretty mucht he same thing.

As with the saying goes, if unsure then don't

Asalaamu alaikum:

Pork is known to cause higher lipid counts in the blood stream than other meats. It is a lipid that causes more havoc with the digestion than other lipids. It is harder to digest, and is believed to stay in the veins longer. Most cardiologists with whom I have worked at at the local teaching hospital do not recommend it in the cardiac diet. It wreaks havoc with those who may have gallbladder disease. All the parasites mentioned by Sister Fatima are highly prevalent in pork. I have watched pigs in a factory farm eat their own excrement. Yuck! Allah (swt) knows best, and I will follow his recommends. After all, He created us!

Maryah wrote:

> I have watched pigs in a factory farm eat their own excrement.

I have watched chickens eating their own droppings.  I assume, then, that Muslims are not allowed to eat chicken?

If its haraam sustain from it.  Why would anyone want to make something halaal that is haraam?

Assalamu Alaikum,

Yes, prohibition of pork in Islam means that Muslims should not eat it. Period. Why did Allah do that? We may not fully know His wisdom.

Yes, we may do research and investigation with present technology to learn why we should not eat pork. After 1400 years from now, we may know more along these lines. But, Muslims of 1400 years back, those of us present now, and those 1400 years or longer from now would follow it regardless of technological developments that keep changing with time.

Scientific research and discoveries with passage of time may change, but Islam remains the same.

Peace

ysimjee wrote: In short, Allah proclaimed pork is haraam.  He knows best.

Precisely..Allah knows best, and it is His commandment PERIOD..no matter the chickens or whatever!

Jazakallah for everyone�s opinion regarding eating pork.

In some of the commends given I can see that not everyone is happy regarding it, but its interesting to know as for most of the things done in Islam has a benefit towards our health.

Allah knows best in all he has given us.

Slm

Angel wrote: No offense Candid, ok candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.) Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept. Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ??

Historically, there seems to be strong correlation if you compare the behavior of Muslim and the Christian conquerors in the past. Christians were more brutal.  

But yes, I admit, if it was not from Hadith, I won't have believed it.

Bismillah...

Assalaamualaikum

There is Wisdom of Allah in every command of His. For a Muslim,it is enough that Allah and His Messenger (sallahu alayhi wasallam) forbade something. Yes, there are reasons behind every prohibition, we MAY know it or we MAY NOT know it. THe prophet(sallahu alayhi wasallam)  gave reasons for some things when asked.  

When our mothers said "no" to many things throughout our childhood, we wondered why, but when we grew up we understood why certain things were forbidden by our parents. Allah loves us more than our mothers do.

We use science to further understand things (after quran and sunnah). and science has "discovered" with many things islam has already taught us about. (that can be discussed in another thread)

For nonmuslims , the quran holds no importance, hence we use science to explain the reasons behind prohibitions. It is upto an individual to accept or reject. The truth will be out on DOJ.

Allahu Aalam. (Allah knows best).

wassalaam.

CYRIL: Islam has forbidden anything that is harmful to the body, any kind of intoxicant is forbidden.

ejdavid wrote: Fatima - You wrote: "Trichinilla spiralis: It is the most dangerous parasite to man." The most dangerous parasitic disease is malaria. Bar none....

And your Medical degrees that qualify you to make this statement Ejdavid?

The most dangerous parasite known to man is that of ignorance and intolerance. Ignorance and intolerance causes wars, people to ignore the desperate plight of their fellow man, man to kill others for political agendas. It kills and maims and starves the innocent. Pride is the work of the Shaitan, or Satan as you may know him.

Allah (swt) know best, as you can see, the counsel of man is not what is needed in this world.

Peace be with you.

If I understand this thread correctly, muslims here are claiming that, according to the koran, humans take on the characteristics of any animals that they eat.

For example, chickens have a reputation for being timid and fearful, and they eat their own droppings.  Therefore, according to Islamic law, any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement.

What is the punishment, according to Islamic law, for eating chicken???

candid wrote: Angel wrote: No offense Candid, ok candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.) Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept. Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ?? Historically, there seems to be strong correlation if you compare the behavior of Muslim and the Christian conquerors in the past. Christians were more brutal.

why do you pick these two groups only to compare? And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose. 

Sign*Reader wrote: The pork represents as the symbol of ultimate materialism and  Capitalism --how can anybody miss the sign of bank and money without a pig drawn next to it. It also symbolizes the favors, graft and corruption in the running of the government. It's side effects on the consumer are to lust(immodesty), gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and Pride(hubris). If you look around and observe could you not observe these traits in around societies which has pork as their staple food.

WELL, that was a lot of misinformation about banks and people!

Asian countries have pork as there staple diet, are they immodesty, greed, envy, pride, etc ??? don't just look in the big cities, go to the smal country towns and see more insight. NO! I wish PEOPLE HERE WOULD STOP LOOKING AT THE WEST TO COMPARE AND MAKE THEIR POINT RELEVENT, it does you no good when others eat pork or whatever to do with the pigs and does not show certain or present certain signs that you think or believe is. DO some research and you will see!

AS for the banks having the pig as a symbol here are some facts: the piggy bank got its name and shape as a result of a pun on the word pygg, a type of clay commonly used to produce household items.

Read more here about the piggy bank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggybank - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggybank

to alot of people pigs are what the cows are to hindus. And also represent good luck to some people.

I know friend who reverted to Islam said quiting  pork was the hardest  thing to do.

do you think that supports your point?  

Amongst my acquaintances there were some nominal Muslims who did start consuming pork; talked about gluttonous addiction to it. The rest of the traits also became obvious in them after a while.

I find that laughable, i really do. for one anybody that has had some thing forbidden and starts eating or some non eating activity, will start to feel guilty because they think/believe shouldn't have it and so it becomes a gluttonous addictions. How many people say this about chocolate, cakes, biscuits etc and say I would really like but I shouldn't...

As for the traits that is so far off the mark, tell me about the asian people who eat it, pork is nearly in all dishes? people eat other animals, do they act like those animal that they consume. Someone said something about the chicken, well do people act like that?

It is so absurd!!

which a pork lover may never do.

again, absurd.

When I have, i love my pork (so I guess i'm a pork lover  ) and so do the people I know who eat it. I also know a few of people who cannot eat pork because it upset them, and that is no different to other foods like dairy products upsetting some people and those who are intolerant to it.

Look, I know very well pork is forbid in islam - I have NO PROBLEM with it -, many people know this and accept it to (some others don't eat it maybe they don't like it) but when some muslims bring so called evidence for it (against eating it) and is shown to be false and is countered acted.......the whole thing crazy!

If you don't eat pork, fine but stop bringing the animal's characters into humans who comsume it! It is false.

AS I have said before, people eat: cows, sheep/lamb, goat, chicken not  forgetting deer, fish, whale, seals, If the characteristic of the pig is imparted on the human that eats it, then the others animals that humans eat must impart on to.

So who acts like a whale ?? a seal?? a chicken??

Overall, the population that eats pigs or any other animal that snatches its food do become brutal. Such a population loses patience and grabs anything that comes its way for its own interest. It stops thinking about others. Some of the people in that population might not act in that manner but overall the population does become brutal.

Angel wrote: candid wrote: Angel wrote: No offense Candid, ok candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.) Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept. Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ?? Historically, there seems to be strong correlation if you compare the behavior of Muslim and the Christian conquerors in the past. Christians were more brutal. why do you pick these two groups only to compare?

Europeans do have tradition of eating pork. You can check.

Even compared to other non-muslims such as Mongols and Persians, Muslims were less brutal.

And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose.

I did not understand your question.

Reepicheep wrote: If I understand this thread correctly, muslims here are claiming that, according to the koran, humans take on the characteristics of any animals that they eat. For example, chickens have a reputation for being timid and fearful, and they eat their own droppings.  Therefore, according to Islamic law, any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement. What is the punishment, according to Islamic law, for eating chicken???

Which Muslim said that the Quran says so?

candid wrote: Overall, the population that eats pigs or any other animal that snatches its food do become brutal. Such a population loses patience and grabs anything that comes its way for its own interest. It stops thinking about others. Some of the people in that population might not act in that manner but overall the population does become brutal.

Absurd!

candid wrote: Angel wrote: candid wrote: Angel wrote: No offense Candid, ok candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.) Everytime I see this i have to laugh, its just a funny concept. Has anyone seen such people who eat pork act as such ?? Historically, there seems to be strong correlation if you compare the behavior of Muslim and the Christian conquerors in the past. Christians were more brutal. why do you pick these two groups only to compare? Europeans do have tradition of eating pork. You can check.

Yes I know and in some european countries the pig is a good luck charm. I left them out because europe is part of the western world.

Even compared to other non-muslims such as Mongols and Persians, Muslims were less brutal.

Do you think you can get off this notion about being brutal and eating pig? or any animal that snatches food. Because it is false. Look around you today and those that eat pork.  

You are grasping at straws to validate not eating pork supposedly making you brutal or violent.

I gave you other animals that people eat. eskimos hunt and eat seal it is their staple diet, they clubber the seal on the head, brutal I say  but eskimos are not known to eat pork, and yet are gentle people apart from clubbing the seal to death   

What about those that eat rabbit (and not eat pork), go and hunt them in traps or shoot them ? what about deer?

Candid wrote: Angel wrote:  And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose.  I did not understand your question.

You say that the christian conquers were more brutal and my question is:

How many of those conquers do you know that ate pork?

amah wrote: Reepicheep wrote: If I understand this thread correctly, muslims here are claiming that, according to the koran, humans take on the characteristics of any animals that they eat. For example, chickens have a reputation for being timid and fearful, and they eat their own droppings.  Therefore, according to Islamic law, any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement. What is the punishment, according to Islamic law, for eating chicken??? Which Muslim said that the Quran says so?

I believe amah that reepicheep got his notion from Candid who mentioned this (below) in his first post which by the way Candid did not mention qu'ran  so that was a mistake on reepi's side.

candid wrote: As far as I know, it is forbidden in Islam to eat such animals because it is thought that those who eat them will also start behaving like those animals (i.e, will also start acting greedily and snatching what belongs to others.)

But Candid has not brought evidence from islam about it thou, and I am in the middle of conversing with him that it is absurd he is trying to make it valid that those who eat pork are brutal.

So in a counter balance reepicheep brought the chicken point and asked about islams position on it.

again, absurd.

Quoting an incomplete text indicates that you own the the rights to the absurdity. I said as follow:

Whereas the Islam's requires the normal believer to do certain rituals to curb all the listed conditions and create a personality of modesty, temperance, sacrifice, passion, peace, charitableness and humility by salah, fasting and zkat and Hajj as appropriate which a pork lover may never do.

You thought you knew better about the state of moral turpitude of the pork eating people in orient or occident, you asked for it you will got it:

the real scenarios and say how they jive with my statement

  Majority out of wedlock/illegitimate births in European countries

  Child rapes

  Catholic Preachers molesting boys in US (there being no uproar from the laity for paying out millions in settlements cuz they would do the same if they could get away)

Remember another one JImmy Swaggert getting caught with prostitutes!

Alcoholism,

Drug addiction,

Gang banging,

Porn industry head quartered in San Fernando valley California,

Gambling

Open(legal or otherwise) prostitution, European prostitutes flooding ME

Mate swapping;

Child molesters traveling to the orient/India for cheap availability of the child prostitutes.

Do you want more

So, Sign*Reader, just to confirm what you are claiming...

You are saying that it is a core Muslim belief that people take on the behavioral characteristics of any animals they eat.

For example, you believe that any Muslim who eats chicken is a coward who eats human excrement. 

Correct?

Sign*Reader wrote: Quote by Angel : which a pork lover may never do. again, absurd. Quoting an incomplete text indicates that you own the the rights to the absurdity. I said as follow:

I know exactly what you said! you showed a list of what normal believer (muslims or anyone) is, those who do not eat pork are modest, temperance, sacifice, passion, peace, charitableness and are humility (and for muslims) by salah, fasting, sakat and hajj. (Take away the islamic activities) You are saying that pork lovers are not modest, temperancec, sacifice, passion, peace, charitable and humility. AND I say it is absurd! and I will say it till I am blue inthe face, because there is nothing supporting it, nor nothing supporting or showing that those who are eating pork act like the animals or do those horrible acts you listed in your scenarios!

Am I a pig because I eat pork and enjoy it when I have it. Am I not charitable or have humilty and is peaceful??, that is what you are saying about me and many other people who eat pork. I brought stuff to counter act you. I am sorry that you are not happy with but I am not happy that you are being insulting towards me because i like pork and saying that I am or do those things you listed. 

I pointed out so many things in opposing when speaking to Candid, go and read. 

Whereas the Islam's requires the normal believer to do certain rituals to curb all the listed conditions and create a personality of modesty, temperance, sacrifice, passion, peace, charitableness and humility by salah, fasting and zkat and Hajj as appropriate which a pork lover may never do. You thought you knew better about the state of moral turpitude of the pork eating people in orient or occident, you asked for it you will got it:

Well I am one that eats pork and know many others, don't you think I am best to say to you otherwise?? All of your senarios just don't happen to those who eat pork!

And anyway, what do you know of their eating habits - have you been invited to dinner??

Those who know me here know that I do not or am not what you say!

I am using me as an example, which I am pretty much putting myself on the line here for ridicule

Sign reader, your intelligent enough to know better. I am surprised that you are pressing the bad/unmoral/sinful behaviour onto those who eat pork.

Angel wrote: Candid wrote: Angel wrote:  And how many of those conquers do you KNOW that ate pork? none I suppose.  I did not understand your question. You say that the christian conquers were more brutal and my question is: How many of those conquers do you know that ate pork?

I see.

Let me put it this way. There were many conquerors in the past who ate pork. However, I only consider Europeans vs Muslims, because these are the only 2 groups who dominated the world as much as they did. Comparing the two does give a good perspective as to how eating pork affects the behavior of the population.

There were other conqerors too who ate pork, but it is difficult to compare them with Muslims because their issues were much different.

Its like you can compare TV of different brands, but you cannot compare a TV with radio.

lol! unbelievable!

Still grasping at straws.

Comparing the two does give a good perspective as to how eating pork affects the behavior of the population.

that's a ridiculous notion! no it does not give a good perspective.

You don't know what they ate, that is like me saying that you are eating fish but you say you aren't, but I keep saying you are eating fish, and I cannot see you, how is that a good perspective ??

ridiculous notions!

I'm outta here till some sense comes back!

Angel wrote: lol! unbelievable! Still grasping at straws. Comparing the two does give a good perspective as to how eating pork affects the behavior of the population. that's a ridiculous notion! no it does not give a good perspective. You don't know what they ate, that is like me saying that you are eating fish but you say you aren't, but I keep saying you are eating fish, and I cannot see you, how is that a good perspective ?? ridiculous notions!   I'm outta here till some sense comes back!

Why is it wrong to assume that the Europeans ate pork and Muslims didn't in the the middle ages?

Assuming that some Europeans didn't eat pork, such Europeans should also have been affected by the behavior of those who did eat pork as they lived with them and adopted the way of thinking of the people who lived with them.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

Hanan wrote:

> pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead

> insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own),

You seem to be saying that one of the reasons Muslims are not allowed to eat pork is that pigs eat excrement.  But chickens also eat excrement.  So, then, you would also agree that Muslims are not allowed to eat chicken, correct?

What is the punishment, according to Islamic law, for eating chicken???

Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

According to Islamic law, is there a connection between pigs eating excrement and Muslims not being allowed to eat pork?  And, if there is no connection, then why do muslims in this thread repeatedly bring up that pigs eat excrement as justification for the ban on pork???

Someone explain this contradiction to me, please.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

Hanan wrote:

> Your previous posts tells me that you are also unable to

> simultaneously read AND understand what you just read.

That must be the falt of the no ggood ejucation system we have here in Alberta.  You shouldnt mak fun uf me just because I didnt go to a islamic skool like yous did.

Sorrry, I hafta go now. "Celebrity Mud Wrestling" is on the telebision now, and I hate to misss it.

Animals can't be judged. However, its in the nature of pigs(and many other haraam animals) to snatch or grab its food, it's permitted for it but not for the humans.

If we are to bring all these medical or bad effects of pigs then we might else weel bring other animals into it to, Chicken and any other fowl that humans consume there is the threat of bird flu.

Any meat that is not prepared carefully or is not cooked properly or stored properly there is the potiential of illness.

I am not denying the medical reports at all. Even healthy foods can be harmful and is consuming too much water.

Hanan wrote: "You are what you eat" is a native American proverb, but I don�t think it should be taken literally.

I agree with you here, I do not take it literally either.

Folklore says that eating the meat of the pig contributes to lack of morality and shame, plus greed for wealth, laziness, indulgence, dirtiness and gluttony. A person who shows these characteristics is often called a �Pig.�

I believe this is not meant to be taken literally, because in real life its false. I'm quite sure that there are some vegetarians who act the same as well as those who don't eat pork.

It is said that pigs do not like to soil their sleeping quarters. As for their tendency to wallow in mud, that is done mainly to keep cool.

that's true including that they are one of the smartest animals. it is quite know that pigs are a clean animal.

in Koran it says: "He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without willful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

is this the only verse? (i'm not well versed in the qu'ran)

That verse says that Muslims are allowed to eat pork if there is no other food around.

Best to stay away from a lot of meat these days. Most have a lot of meat by-products and other stuff in them. 

I gave up pork long before becoming a Moslem. It is terribly fatty and generally not very healthy for you. Best to grab a banana and eat a fresh spinich salad.

Even if there was nothing else to eat, i still would not want to eat swine...

Maybe you should borrow my reading glasses...

I said wount not want to eat, not will not eat...

Wrong...

I once knew a hindu family that used to eat beaf....

bmzsp wrote: Can you guys move onto beef, please? One billion Hindus don't touch it.

well there is mad cows disease

ysimjee wrote: Wrong... I once knew a hindu family that used to eat beaf....

I guess they liked their beef curry

by the way its beef not beaf

This thread is amazing... lol

when you eat pork you act like them,... If you are smart enough , there is no point discussing lol. This is so hilarious, I should send this to all my friends.  

pork MAY be dangerous for your health ( eating too much, not well cooked, infected meat,...hmmm like other animals)Are you saying that pork is more likey to be infected? i don't know. So is chicken more likely to be infected than beef? So what are the criteria to decide which one should not be eaten?

Vegetarians will tell you that all animal meat is potentially dangerous( bird flu, mad cow,...) . You still like chicken, so do I.

Hey guys, a lot of people eat pork; chinese's favourite dish, I believe they are still alive.

Everything that you consume must be hygienic( and proper checking by health authorities) If it's all good, then eat my friend.

And one more thing, everything should be consume in moderation. ( also don't eat the fat, it is bad for health) 

Too much iron, calcium, sugar, fat...is not good.

Some guys said taht they don't eat pork simply because it is written in their books.We understand religious reasons.

But others are just telling good jokes, haha.

what's with the "maybe" in the title  an another suggestion ?

i'm new here.... I'm a budhist chinese, and well, i don't eat beef. I was told by my mom that since I was a baby, cow fed me with its milk. That is why i don't eat them. its kind of like a family culture. so, even if you ask a musllim why they don't eat pork, its the same reason. because they are taught so. most of my malays friend (muslim) does not wear like a muslim suppose to be according to 'them'. the only thing they do according to the rules is, they never eat pork.