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JESUS
PROPHESIED ISLAM / PROPHET MOHAMMED (peace be upon him) AND TOLD ABOUT �PEOPLE
OF THE BOOK�-RELIGIONS (in Qur�an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF
THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows
best)
(These two
"hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new
religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)
1
"hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC
(and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours =
200 years
Matt.20:1.
"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send
prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12
hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a
religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men
(believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to
pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into
his vineyard.
3.
"ABOUT the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians / Zarathustrians,
even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another
possibly in [DIRECTION OF] South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in
the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own
Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my
vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.
"He
went out again ABOUT the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophecies
about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the
same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple and short
description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself).
6.
ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 or 500-700 AC, depending on calculation of
two first group of workers) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon
him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing
around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing
nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only
polytheism-paganism)?'
7. "
'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert
them),' they answered. "He said to them, 'You also go and work in my
vineyard.'
8.
"When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call
the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the
last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).'
9.
"The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (400-600 or
500-700 AC, depending from calculation of two first group of workers) came and
each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews),
they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.
11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God).
12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said,
'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and
the heat of the day (exiles, slavery, occupations, persecutions).'
13.
"But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't
you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the
man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do
what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you
want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?'
16.
"So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be
last."
[Prophet
Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and
Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last
will be first"]
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1
"year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so
later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years
Luke.13:6.
Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of Israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard
(Earth), and he went to look for fruits (results) on it, but did not find any.
7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism
"only true religion" / least corrupted religion in the world in times
of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for
fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it
use up the soil (why not to do better religion for whole mankind)?'
8. "
'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and
I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in
Middle-East, "around" Israel as in [Christian]
Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If
not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity,
from way of Islam, after that �year�, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of
prophet Mohammed, pbuh, almost exactly 600 years later in 632AC).' "
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MY
CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16
There is no
mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"
("about")
11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th)
10th =
200-400 AC
9th = 1
AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->)
8th = 200
BC- 1 AD
7th = 400
BC-200 BC
6th = 600
BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied)
5th = 800
BC-600 BC
4th = 1000
BC- 800 BC
3th =
1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians)
2nd = 1400
BC-1200 BC
1st = 1600
BC-1400 BC (Early Jews)
"0-hour"
= 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually
INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc.
in 1600 BC-1400 BC)
Well, Jesus
did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people
to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and
has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least
"error-marginal" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel
connected to himself and Christianity.
MY
CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9
Maybe
Israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (even though part of Rome and so not state) was
"cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did
not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after
Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. Israel itself as a state have no
importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from
Bible?
Israel (that "tree") is not
subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it.
"Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical
and religious connection between Semitist Islamic and Jewish religions. But
before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time)
Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it
did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that
"year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish
prophet as a god. Even from Jewish view those are not good fruits (Jesus was
Jew).
Could be
said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he
became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of
"mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much
(as Islam was in India or China for example already 1000 years ago, where Christians
are only a recently born minority). All those Christian areas / populations are
under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus and Bible now (there is
in hadiths prophecy of prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, that he saw power
of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).
More
questions for Christians refusing this interpretation:
Some would
say that verses in Matt.20:1-16 question actually point to divine generosity
that transcends human ideas of fairness. Yes it can do that TOO (although first
group complaining about payment because of extra-work and master getting
furious about it does not really support it), but it is far more complex and
long for that alone. It would have just been easy to say that master gives
denar for workers, and that�s it.
Most
popular Christian interpretation is that here Jesus told how disciples were
hired in "early in the morning" and in "third" hour as
apostles (it does not make sense at all, as all disciples were
"hired" at once by Jesus, not in two time periods, and why would
apostles be unhappy about later Christians entering also paradise, even before
them, as they were one to convert them?), and that from "sixth" to
"ninth" hour is about apostle Paul (again, why it would have been
said to happen between these two time-periods, and not just in one?), and that
in last hour is talked about all later Christians (who will come "first
even though they were last", why would they enter paradise before apostles
that were chosen by Jesus himself, and especially why would apostles go mad
about them going one second before them into paradise, as all mentioned in
parallel are saved anyway?).
Some say
this Luke.13:6-9 is just numerical games. So tell me more reasonable and as
compatible explanation. Fig tree is symbol of Judaism generally in Bible. Also
when Jesus cursed fig tree in Matt.21:19 by words "may no fruit ever come
from you again", he probably stated that no more prophets are going to
come from Jews. What else could it be? And why time schedules fits so well in
both of these religions, did Jesus not know about coming of Islam or did he not
care how these will look in the future? Did he not care about souls lost
because of this interpretation?
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MORE
ABOUT BIBLE:
Luke.12:51-52
�Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather
division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three
against two and two against three.�
So house of
Abraham is divided because of different beliefs about position of Jesus, mainly
into 3 Christian religions (Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants) and into two
Islamic religions (Sunni and Shiite). And it has NOT been denied that these could
battle even with other sects among themselves, but most commonly conflicts have
happened between Islam and Christianity.
Some
Christians say this is about sacrifice inside real families (as in elsewhere in
Gospels there is used words as "mother against daughter" in similar
parallel) in case of "conversions" to another religions. Otherwise
good explanation (in fact differences / similarities between
"household" and f.ex. "daughter" can be seen to tell us
about comparation between households and relationship with followers of other
religions), but there has not been much such controversy and diversity in
Christian-countries since emperor of Rome declared Christianity as only allowed
religion. After that invaded areas in America, Africa and Asia have been efficiently converted
mostly by force / decision of rulers, so giving protection for
"converts" even from their own family. In modern secularism atheistic
/ traditional-believers usually could not care less if their child would like
to celebrate (by singing etc.) Jesus. But in (now dominantly) Muslim-countries
shift from Christian majority to Muslim majority took centuries, and so made
accepting Islam very hard (even though only real dispute with Christians is
position of Jesus, it might be reason why Jesus gave these words of comfort for
those who are accepting Islam). Also "terrorism" and generally bad
public image of Muslims has made even secular parents to panic if their
children / partner finds Islam (yes, my mother too did so...).
Matt.12:26-27
Jesus told us that Islam can not be from satan, as it directs worshipping and
bowing to God of Abraham, reason why satan fall from heaven, and so would never
tell to do so. Even Jesus spoke about God of Abraham, about �Father�, not about
Jehovah for example. Why? And �I am truth, way, and life� does not mean Jesus
was a god, but a prophet who did teach TRUTH in monotheistic teaching about one
God (f.ex. Mark.12:29 and Luke.4:8), who gave us WAY and example in worshipping
on knees face to ground (Matt.26:39) and being totally submitting to God, and
all this will give LIFE (comfort and paradise). All Muslims have to believe in
Jesus TOO to be a Muslim: as Jesus said, no Muslim will be saved but through
(ALSO) him (as by believing into all prophets, as demanded in Islam).
Matt.21:43
"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and
given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.�
As Jesus
told (to ALL people who were there, so �Christians�, his followers, also, not
just to priests, who even might not be there then anymore, but maybe left him
after he answered theirs question much earlier), Jews (and its sect
Christianity as it is based only to Jewish nation) lost kingdom of God when it
was given to Arabs, ONE nation (Christianity is not based on other single
nation but Jews).
More debate
about this:
DEBATE:
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3&pp=20 - http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64807&page=3 &pp=20
Here Jesus
announced that He has been send to direct those few chosen (usually) Christians
by Bible to Islam and eventually to Muslim-countries:
John.10:16
�I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen (offspring of Ishmael, not
Isaac-Jewish). I must bring them also (Jesus in Qur�an and
monotheism/prophecies in Bible). They too will listen to my voice (same
message), and there shall be one flock and one shepherd (monotheistic believers
and prophets teaching about one God, now only Islam).�
Matt.18:12-14
�What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone
astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the MOUNTAINS and go and search
for the one that is straying? If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to
you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone
astray. In the same way, my Father in heaven does not want one of these little
children to be lost.�
Luke.15:4-7
�What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does
not leave the ninety-nine in the DESERT (open pasture) and go after the one
which is lost until he finds it? When he has found it, he lays it on his
shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and
his neighbours, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep
which was lost! I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in
heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who
need no repentance. �
Here words
(leaving other sheep�s at SAFELY HOME in) �MOUNTAINS� and
�DESERT� describe general nature / climate in Muslim-countries near
Christian countries ( = Europe / Sub-Saharan Africa).
Some
Christians may say that these are Christians who are "directed to home by
death of Jesus", but here Jesus confirmed that if Christians (99+1
sheep�s) are in "true religion", then he did not come for them in
general, to save them all, as he described his followers as sheep�s (he even
said that there is "other" sheep�s in his followers). So he came for
(future) Muslims (that +1):
Matt.9:12-13
�But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who
need a physician, but those who are SICK. But go and learn what this means: 'I
DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the
righteous, but sinners.� Luke.9:56 �for the Son of Man did not come to destroy
men's lives, but to save them.�
So Jesus
WAS (prophesied) king (of Jews and Rome controlling them), Messiah, he
divided Rome to East-Rome and West-Rome by religious differences (by conflict about
religious power between pope and emperor), Muslims got East-Rome because of
that, Byzantium, and so also whole North-Africa. And he
�sacrificed� for sake of both Muslims and Christians, but he did not need to
make it to forgive all sins of mankind, but perhaps only in symbolic way (for
example that all who will find Islam get to start with no sins again, no matter
what they have done before as Christians). If Europe, America and Africa had
stayed in paganism and with ruler-gods, persecution for Muslims would have been
much worse than it was for Christians in Rome, who did not have such strict
demand for total monotheism (they have "trinity", which is closer to
Roman religions of that time than Islam). With saints for example Christianity
were able easily to be one to replace pagan-god�s in Europe (god�s were
replaced by saints, holidays with Christian holidays), America and Africa, and
so did bring them again closer to Islam (by Bible and prophets, even by nominal
"monotheism", at least in theory). In Africa f.ex. Islam did not make much
advance in rainforest-areas before colonial-time and Christianity, and many
Africans accepted Islam even as a protest against Christian colonial-powers.
12:39 "He answered, �A wicked and adulterous
generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the
sign of the prophet Jonah.
40. For as
Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son
of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.�
Jesus was
understood to be dead by all but God as he said that he will be
"gone", so "dead" for disciples f.ex., and so came true
prophecy about his "death" (human-view), and also words of Qur�an
about him not dying into crucifixion by Jews (what Allah knows), see my writing
in http://www.angelfire.com/planet/crucifixion - http://www.angelfire.com/planet/crucifixion . So in fact Jesus
gave for some part of people in the World "postponed" /
"delayed" judgment as a "people without knowledge" (like
illiterate people dictated by church and interpretations of priests about Bible,
translations from Qur�an came for Christians mostly in modern times with
immigration of Muslims, and now that and everything else about Islam f.ex. by
internet), until Islam and knowledge reached them too (immigration of Muslims
into Christian countries is accepted also because even Jesus immigrated too and
told to "invite others in", as Christians think that they can convert
Muslims into Christianity easier in Christian countries).
There is
reason for existence of Christianity, and there is reason why Jesus is coming
back: To direct his "own" back into Truth again. Over 50% of world
population are either Christians or Muslims, and only real difference between
them is dispute about position of Jesus. In Africa 50% of population are
Muslims, in Asia 33%, over there lives most poor people, and even Jesus and
Qur�an both told that some have their share in this life, and some in next life
(and some in both). Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut
down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now
he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam
was not to be spread so much (as it was already 1000 years ago in India or
China for example, where Christians are just arrived minority). All those Christian
areas / populations are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus
now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, peace be upon him, that he saw
power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).
Matt.22:45
�If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he (Jesus) be his son?"
Here only
possibility could be that spirit of Jesus were born before David, and so Jesus
was in �high rank� compared to David (Jesus is most mentioned prophet in
Qur�an). Idea about Jesus being son of David, from descent of David,
contradicts and refutes idea about actual �son of God�, as if Jesus had no
human father, then he did not have genetically background in David who was
relative of Joseph. So why would God be his genetic father then, if even David
was not? So Jesus confirmed his saying that he was created (in heavens) before
Abraham, and that he is �son of God�, prophet, as Jews understood it (look at
link "Jesus warned about Paul"
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021117 - http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=102 1117 ) ,
as Jesus was a Jew too. But not actual biological son of Allah...
More
about Jesus, Paul, Bible (and also about science in Qur�an) in (each in its own
link in right-hand side of page):
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/ - http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/
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