Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

ejdavid wrote: Ms. Coulter is a particularly effective satirist. However, her recent columns claim to quote from the hadith various things at: http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi Are these quotes acurate? If they are accurate what context has been omitted?

Consider the source. Ann Coulter is a necon-puppet without any real intellectual credibility. Her piece does a lot of ranting, asserting, and extremely juvenile "jabs". This single quote sums speaks volumes about who she is. 

"The spokesman for the imams � or as I believe it's phrased in their culture, "designated liar" �"

Poor Anne.

She has little credibility outside of necon circles.

Consider the source. If you have questions regarding hadiths, then please feel free to discuss them within the context of the forum rules.

Do not post links to bad polemics and use that as a question.

regards

Ann Coulter is a pole-dancing political exhibitionist in a Tijuana nightclub.  She never gets enough and her clients have scurvy.  Taking instructions from her on any given ahadith related to the Qiyamah is like sitting in David Duke�s Yeshiva for lessons in the Talmud or asking  Martin Luther to explain Revelations 3:9.  Perhaps it is for this or similar reasons that some Jewish Rabbis joined the Muslims in a staged protest, complain though the gyrating Ms. Coulter freely may.

Post-card to Ann (in case she�s reading):

Who (still) loves ya baby  ?

Serv

Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

EJDavid,

In that case, may you soon open a tax-free Washington D.C. madrassa to compete with Imam John Hagee�s and get welcoming letters and warm receptions from President Bush and Elliot Abrams.

My jabber was on the contrary absolutely coherent. 

Serv

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Wage perpetual war against hatred (but only other peoples')!

Thank you for the review of at least my part, EJDavid.

You will have noticed that that is what we tend to do on this board with particularly �effective� satirists -we satirize back.  It�s one of the few arrows in our quiver.  And sometimes we do wield our weapons disproportionately, or even awkwardly, in a demonstration of our own version of shock and awe.  But unlike any given Machiavelli on crack who trains battalions of (inorganic) suicide bombers (disguised as artillery-fired cluster munitions) to target civilians and places nukes upon the moon, we do violence primarily to pretense and then to ontology.  Again, though, you will have noticed this because you, yourself, are fully capable of wielding wit as a weapon and thus are able to join us in the arena, but far, far, from Tijuana.

Best regards,

Serv

EJDavid,

Thanks.  That would, of course, be more.

But then again, for a number of other reasons, we evidently and reportedly do.

Allow me to point out that Hanan is not the aggressor in this case.  She neither wrote nor provided a link to an article that, among other things, summarily calumniates Ann Coulter�s religion.  Hanan and others (Muslims) are the hosts, you and I (and other non-Muslims) are the guests.  Capisce?    

If you really must insist upon swimming in the Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies so-called think tank (or one of its many tributaries), you might first consider using a neo-condom (thanks for the term, Gore Vidal).  I am not sure, of course, but, in the future, you could find that it saved not only your intellectual but also your ethical life.

So seems to say Imam John Hagee, one of the oft-quoted spokesmen for the American Hezbullah, or Party of God, when he lifts his languid eyelids toward Blida and other border towns of Lebanon and proclaims, to the applause of, among others, President Bush and Elliot Abrams, that �God�s foreign policy is ��

Serv 

New thread (discussion spin-off):

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7800&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7800& ;PN=1

Serv

ejdavid wrote: Hannan, Andalus, Servitus: I am a better Muslim scholar then all three of you combined. It took me about 90 seconds to answer my own question with google regarding Muslim no. 6985 ["... The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews..."] URL for SaB (2005) [http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/07/dialogue_with_a_saudi_muslim_6.html] "We interpret these sayings in the light of Islamic teachings about what the Qur'an refers to as 'People of the Book,' i.e., Jews and Christians. Islam never advocated their indiscriminate killing; in fact, Islam specifically permits Muslims to eat their food and marry their women. (Qur'an, 5:5) ... Those ahadith quoted above are generally understood to be about particular, specific Jews who commit acts of aggression against Muslims."

I would say that you have a few obstacles that would prevent you from being a scholar. 1) Your critical thinking skills are lacking a great deal 2) your self assumed scholarly ability still did not conjure up an actual explanation. 3) if you have a real issue to discuss, then simply state your ideas instead of presenting a cheap site with an impression of a false intention of wanting to learn. 4) the hadith is a prophecy that will take place during a time of war between Jews and Muslims.

The Palestinian Authority and many other Muslims use these hadith to incite violence against Israel and Jews in general.

Israelis use the Hebrew Scriptures to justify the acts of crime they have perpetuated on the reigonal Arabs, including the destruction of many Arab villages that had existed for centuries before racist Christians gave their land away to racist white Jewish zionists. I do not hear or read how you or Ann coutler moans about that?

You want to complain that a group of brutalized people who have been kicked around for nearly 50 years and have nearly nothing but poverty, dirt, and hunger, misuses a hadith against a group of racists who are responsible for their misery?

Accordingly, Ann Coulter is entirely justified in citing them as evidence of Muslim intolerance. And the three of you seem unaware of the true meaning of these verses and jabber incoherently.

I knew what the meaning and context was. It is obvious that you, even after your scholarly, "cursory" research of 90 seconds still remains ignorant. Keep in mind I am not here to respond to Ann Coulter. She has absolutely no credibility.

If you want to know about a Hadith, for a particualr reason, then I am sure you will find many who will discuss it. If you want to find the answer to something written by an intellectually bankrupt neocon, then you are on your own, as it would be a waste of time.

EJDavid,

I recognize that.  You may either demote or expel me.  I opted, quite deliberately, to address secondary issues related to your post. 

I, being non-Muslim, do not usually make it a point to give Islamic dawah, especially to those who seem hostile at best.  But I do obviously address other issues.  In his above posts I think Andalus, rather generously, made it perfectly clear that, if you want to discuss this and related ahadith, you should start another topic, on a better footing, and leave Ann Coulter and other anti-Islamic polemicists in Tijuana, where they belong. 

But, as we are (almost) discussing issues related to prophecy, it seems to me that it does, at least by way of correlation. 

For the remainder of this discussion, I leave you in the capable care of the resident Muslims.  I won�t be too surprised, though, nor will I fault them, if they consistently refuse to bite your bait and thereby fail your tests.

Over and out ...

Serv

Hanan wrote: ejdavid wrote: As I have noted elsewhere, I believe a 'small' nuclear war between peoples in the ME would provide a temporary respite from the world's endemic Semite Problem. I understand the above sentence as a message to all who hate and wish death upon Muslims, to take up arms, nuclear arms if possible, and to destroy and kill Muslims in the Middle East. I am deeply offended by this statement and the unrelenting hatred for Muslims, which manifested itself in the author's statement.

Dear Hanan, let ejdavid dream on....and doesn't it happen that those who wish ill for others , ill luck comes to them?

wassalaam.