Watch a debate on you tube between "Zakir Naik and Dr Cambell", its about the Bible and the Quran in the light of science. Zakir Naik proved that the QUran has not got one single wrong fact or contradiction and that the Bible has hundreds, the most obviouse is the creation of the universe for ex. Watch the debate its v nice. Also search on you tube for "quranic miracles" and watch the videos.

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Plus even if we were to assume that there was an Arabic bible, which there wasnt, Mohammed didnt know how to read or write, he was no learned.

 "HE DOES NOT SPEAK (AUGHT), OF (HIS OWN) DESIRE:
IT IS NO LESS THAN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM:
HE WAS TAUGHT BY ONE MIGHTY IN POWER,"

This is what happened when Gabriel first came to Prophet Mohammed and said "Read!" and Mohammed said "I am not learned." And Gabriel told him again "Read!" And he said "I am learned!" This is a fullfilment of Isaiahs prophecy. Ch 29 verse 12 says "And the book is delivered to him, saying, read this I pray thee and he saith I am not learned." (In Hebrew the words I pray thee arent there). Coinsidence?

 
Three different and distinct questions were posed to John the Baptist and to which he gave three emphatic "NO'S" as answers to the Jews.

1) ART THOU THE CHRIST?
2) ART THOU ELIAS?
3) ART THOU THAT PROPHET?

If we look to the cross references that prophet is the prophet of Deut 18:18. It is obviouse that the Jews were looking for THREE distinct prophecies. Why do you only see two? Christ peace be upon him was a prophet, they knew that, so why would they ask him the same thing twice? They didnt. It was t-h-r-e-e distinct prophecies.

So what does Deutronemy 18:18 say?

I wish to know that myself. I have debated with many Christians, all ignore your question and only see two questions being posed to John.

Im sorry i dont understand your question. What do you mean?

The word Allah simply means God in arabic. We believe it is Gods name. Notice the word God is a male, if you add an ess it would be female. The word Allah is neither male nor female. If you add an s to the word God it becomes Gods. The word Allah cant have an s added to it. So it is perfect and describes God perfectly.

About the OT, we dont believe that it is the word of God, we believe that it was written by man and claimed to be the word of God. We believe in the OT which was revealed to Moses, but most of it is fabricated today. Proof is the OT's many contradictions and discusting sex stories, which would never be Gods words. Even the NT isnt the word of God because it also has been tampered with according to Christian scholars themselves and it also has many contradictions and scientific errors. The NT was an inspirational revelation. Meaning written by man according to Christians themselves but they claimed that God inspired it. This is impossible.

Why? As I said because the many contradictions and mistakes, also, they both, the OT and NT say stuff which are disrespectful to God. For ex:

Isaiah 7:20 (New King James Version)

20 In the same day the Lord will shave with a hired razor,
With those from beyond the River with the king of Assyria,
The head and the hair of the legs,
And will also remove the beard.

Can you imagine!?! God shaving for them?! This is not fitting in Gods magesty far exhalted is he.

Another simple proof that the Bible wasnt inspired by God is that its weird how God inspired those who wrote the Bible down, yet, plagiarism is found in Isaiah 37 & 2 Kings 19 and is exposed, where we find extracts attributed to authors living 1000 of years apart to be identical to the letter. The obvious indictment would be on God that he had absentmindedly dictated the same tale twice. Does God forget? No. This is plaigarism.

I wish to know that myself. I have debated with many Christians, all ignore your question and only see two questions being posed to John.

What questions was posed to John who you refer to  in the above quote.  I appreciated your time to answer my questions.

My pleasure :)

19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

(John1:19-25)

Three questions were asked. Art thou the Christ? Elias? The Prophet?

And he said no to all of them.

senekerk wrote: I find a lot of stories in Qu'ran that are also in the Old Testament.  Since the Old Testament was written prior to Jesus and Mohammud how would one know if these stories were revealed to Mohammud or if he repeated what was known as the Old Testament???

Thats a good question.

1) The Israelites have left Egypt and are in their 10 years of wandering. Someone studies what Moses has presented.

2) Moses presents stories that are found in the traditions passed down from the time of Noah.

How would someone know if Moses was simply repeating what he had already heard, or if the stories were actually revealed to him?

(I want to see where this concept will lead when placed in another context that share the same attributes)

What I was taught was that most of the the OT stories were passed down orally, that is until someone put them on paper. 

The same applies to Mohammed (pbuh) yes????

 so how do we know if Mohammed was repeating what he had already heard, or if the stories were actually revealed to him???

I'm not being argumentative only trying to understand.

I'm sorry let me clarify. Muhammed (pbuh) passed the Qur'an down orally until it was written down  never mind i know the answer to the question now  The Qu'ran was memorized word for word. The OT stories were not memorized word for word.  It helped me to know the Qu'ran was a verbal revelation. Thank you for your time with me.

I am reading a translation by Yusuf Ali and in the first couple of Surahs it is written In the name of allah, Most Gracious, Most Mericiful. 1. A.L.M.  What does ALM mean?

Im not sure about that cause I read the Arabic Quran, the brothers and sisters hopefully will help you with that. I do advice you read the Prophets biography. This is one of the best books written, you can order it from here:

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1594771537/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/104-7205883-6334365 - http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1594771537/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/104- 7205883-6334365

It is really really good! And btw the Quran was also written down at the time of Mohammed and was read to him over and over again to make sure it was exactly the same word for word ;) Allah promised in the Quran that he will protect that Quran from being corrupted. The OT and the NT have been corrupted but thats because they were only ment for the people of there time, they werent ment to be for eternity, but the Quran is and was ment for eternity so Allah preserved it this time.

http://www.islam-guide.com - www.islam-guide.com

go to the scientific miracles section and read it ;)

The Quran has got many interesting scientific miracles.

Because Mohammed is the one who preached that there is no God but Allah and he went through a lot of tormentation while preaching the message. He once was starved for three years all he had to eat was mostly leaves. So out of respect for him, he is in the Shahada. If you read the book I gave you the link to, youll love him, youll understand why hes highly respected.

senekerk wrote: What I was taught was that most of the the OT stories were passed down orally, that is until someone put them on paper.

One can assume that some form of oral and maybe written tradition existed with the Israelites from the time of Joseph and Benjamin, etc.

The actual Torah, whatever you may call it, represents a revelation givan to Moses. Revelation is from God. Any past historical events it may mention is not dependent upon the accuracy of trasmission from the already present tradition.

The Torah brought a recount of Noah and the events from the time of Abraham. The point is, the Torah contained events that would have been familiar to the Israelites.

What you have now are traditions that have been handed down to you, with the methods of transmission unknown, and without any way of varifying or authenticating the present Torah.

The same applies to Mohammed (pbuh) yes????

Please clearify.

so how do we know if Mohammed was repeating what he had already heard, or if the stories were actually revealed to him??? I'm not being argumentative only trying to understand.

Once more I would like to proceed with this very good question from another perspective.

How would an Israelite, in the desert 10 years after exodus, know if Moses either borrowed stories or had them actually revealed.

I have my reasons for starting from this perspective and then moving forward.

Thanks  

Please clearify.

What i was going to say was that perhaps since the OT stories were passed down orally that Mohammed could have heard them and then spoke them as part of the Qur'an, but after I was told it was a verbal revealation my question was mute.

Once more I would like to proceed with this very good question from another perspective.

How would an Israelite, in the desert 10 years after exodus, know if Moses either borrowed stories or had them actually revealed.

I have no idea?  unless Moses was like Mohammed and never told a lie I guess you couldn't tell, but could not Christians say the same for Mohammed, 10 years after he died how would an Arab know if Mohammed borrow the stories or had them reavealed?

This link answered a lot of my questions very informative

http://www.islam-guide.com/ - www.islam-guide.com

senekerk wrote: Once more I would like to proceed with this very good question from another perspective. How would an Israelite, in the desert 10 years after exodus, know if Moses either borrowed stories or had them actually revealed.   I have no idea?  unless Moses was like Mohammed and never told a lie I guess you couldn't tell, but could not Christians say the same for Mohammed, 10 years after he died how would an Arab know if Mohammed borrow the stories or had them reavealed?

My question was not a criticism of Moses or the Israelites, but a contextual demonstration of the nature of revelation and prophethood. Once Moses had his prophethood confirmed (believed in), the revelaiton granted to him would be accepted, and given that the revelation was from God, it would hold as a truth that went beyond any narrative that might have survived.

Kindest Regards