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Topic: Jews & Islam; Sabbath
Posted By: senekerk
Subject: Jews & Islam; Sabbath
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 8:07pm

Would someone concisely list why Jews do not believe in Islam? Is their faith considered monotheistic?

 

second question: jews and christians argue about which day is the Sabbath, i understand where the jewish sabbath came from, and supposedly the christain sabbath came from "God rested on the seventh day".  Is that part fabricated by man?

and explain to me your Hoy Day on Friday is it like a sabbath?



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Kay



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Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 9:11pm

Salam alaikom sister. Well, I dont know exactly what the sabath means or why it is celebrated, but I do know that in Islam for sure we dont believe that God rested on the seventh day. We believe that God doesnt need rest, He is all powerful.

The Jews are monotheists, why dont they accept Islam, I guess because of two reasons. Jesus Christ and Mohammed peace be upon them. They still dont accept Jesus as the Christ they were waiting for, and Mohammed as a prophet.

Allah knows best, inshAllah the brothers and sisters here will help us more.



Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 11:16pm
I have herd from a jew who reverted (converted) to Islam that there are Jews who have told him that yes they do believe that Mohammed was sent for them and sent by God since he is mentioned by name no less than three times in the OT, however they dont have to believe in him and follow him since they are Gods chosen people (as they believe). Im not sure if this is true however, but I do knowprophet Mohammed p.b.u.h is mentioned three times by name in the OT so.. Allah knows best.


Posted By: Mauri
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:01pm
Arab: ...but I do knowprophet Mohammed p.b.u.h is mentioned three times by name in the OT

Please direct me to those verses!
Thanks.


Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:12pm

song of songs chapter 5 verse 5 says

machamadim zehdoodi yishrayee baina jarusalem.

machamad-im. im is  aplural of respect, we are left with machamad. when translating from hebrew to arabic the ch becomes the arabic h. mahamad. in english the verse says and he is altogether lovely instead of he is Machamad or mahamad.

The song of songs in hebrew is called shir hashirim. The song of songs, or the song of Hashir. Who is Hashir? Prophet Mohammed said that one of his names was Hashir.

Let's see what classical Jewish scholars had to say about this book (song of songs/shir hashirim):
"The whole world is not worth the day on which the Song of Songs was given to Israel; for all the writings are holy, but the Song of Songs is the holiest of the holy."
[Rabbi Akiva (died AD 135), Tractate of Yaddayim (3:5), Mishna]

"...and the book itself as an allegory depicting in great detail the experiences of the nation in its relations with its God from the Exodus down to *THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH AND THE BUILDING OF THE THIRD TEMPLE.* This in general is also the interpretation of the Midrash Rabbah and such famous scholars as Saadia ben Joseph, Rashi, and Ibn Ezra, although they differ considerably among themselves in details."
[The Interpreter's Bible Encyclopedia]

In another book of the Old Testament, Haggai, we read:
Haggai 2:7 "And I will shake all nations, AND THE DESIRE OF ALL NATIONS SHALL COME: and I will fill this house with glory saith the Lord of hosts."

In place of "desire of all nations", the Hebrew text uses one single word: "CHMD" which is pronouncable as "ACHMAD" (which is "AHMAD" in Arabic). Thus, the translation would be, "And I will shake all nations, AND AHMAD SHALL COME: and I will fill this house with glory saith the Lord of hosts."

 



Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:48pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

jazak allah khair for that Br arab.


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.


Posted By: Mauri
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:32pm
Thank you, Arab.
That looks interesting.


Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 8:56am

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/jewishsabbath-islamsabbath.htm - http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/jewishs abbath-islamsabbath.htm

 This is a very nice link explaining Sabbath in Islam and judaism, the site is made by a former Rabbi who became Muslim al hamdulilah.



Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 8:59am
And Mauri the song of songs in Hebrew is called Shir Hashirim. Shir is Song, of Hashirim can either be a name or the meaning of the words, songs. If its a name its Hashir since im is a plural of respect. Who is Hashir? Prophet Mohammed p.b.u.h said: "I am Hashir, Ahmad, the prophet of Mercy and the prophet of repentance".


Posted By: Sawtul Khilafah
Date Posted: 04 March 2007 at 3:44pm
Here's a thread all about "song of songs" and other mentions of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) in the Bible: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6771&PN=1 - http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6771& ;PN=1


Posted By: on1on5
Date Posted: 08 March 2007 at 11:05am

Friday is the day which involves a prayer made all together. This is an important social affair. But verses about friday doesn't declare it as a resting day. As stated in the surah with the same name, after the prayer Muslims should go round to seek for their share. That can be taken as "back to work" I know that Friday is an official "off day" in some muslim countries and don't want to go beyond my limits of knowledge. Of course Allah knows best.

Surah 9 verse 30 drives attention to another point about Jews. That is their attribution of a son to Allah as some of the Christians did. This is contrary to the acceptance of "one and only God" in Islam as is the "selected nation" paradigm.

Some of the references I read about the subject say that Jews were expecting a prophet but from their nation. That is why they denied Mohammad (sav).

Stories of Moses (as), and David (as) occupy a considerable place in Koran and give idea about Jewish attitude against the prophets.

As we all believe Allah knows best.



Posted By: Abbas
Date Posted: 07 July 2009 at 6:55pm
  السلام عليكم

     This would be very beautiful, but the word in Hebrew is spelled with a yud, which means it must mean songs.  If the yud were missing, then it would mean "The respectful ones".  And this would be a perfect link to what you are saying.

     Thus I think that Muhammad, praise be unto him, used the word Hasher, (sounds similar), meaning "The respectful", as he was respectful of Allah, the most merciful.  Also, in Arabic, the term "bashir", which sounds similar to "hashir", means "the announcer", as in "The prophet".   So, I think there was some confusion which I hope this clears up.

 



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