Jinns
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Topic: Jinns
Posted By: senekerk
Subject: Jinns
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 10:12am
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As Salaam, I am having a hard time with Jinns. i don't quite understand what they are. I know they are created from smoke and that they can be good or bad. Since there is nothing in Christainity to compare them to I don't know what to make of them. are they like ghosts, can they be seen, what purpose do they serve?
------------- Kay |
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Posted By: Knowledge01
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 11:57am
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Wa Alaikum Salam, Jinns are very similair to humans in various ways. �We cannot see them but they can see us at all times. Some differences between us and them are that they move faster with much more speed, they eat bones from animals, some jinns have the ability to in the form of a weak humans or animal, there are also a specific kind of jinn that fly while others don't. There are good jinns and bad ones. �There are Muslim, Christian,�Jewish and other religiously affiliated jinns. Those are some basics. �If you would like to ask more specific questions, I will attempt to answer. |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 4:15pm
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Some eat bones and some fly? That is kind of wierd. What are their purpose? Do they help people or tempt people? What or who is a Christian jinn? ------------- Kay |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 5:07pm
Jinn are simply another form of life which is very different from us. Just as angles are a class of living beings unlike ourselves, Jinn are simply another class. Jinn can make decisions and choose religous faiths, which is why some Jinn may be Muslims. As humans, some Jinn are good and some are bad. ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
senekerk wrote:Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 5:33pm
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"What are their purpose? " Same as us. "Do they help people or tempt people?" They have their own world you see but its here on earth but you cant see them or at least in their true form. Meaning they get married , have kids and so on. They generally just live in their own world without bothering anyone. As for the bad ones, ever herd of exorcism? They are the ones who, whats the word, enter I guess into a person. They have free will just like us, so ull find some are Muslims some are Christians some are Jews and so on. You summed it up, they're like ghosts but live like us humans we just cant see them. They can discuise as a human being but they barely do that.
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Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 6:40pm
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OK let me see if I understand, they are beings who can not be seen, some are good or bad, they can choose their own religion and they marry? Sounds like they live in a parallel universe. do you think they account for alien sightings ------------- Kay |
?Posted By: amah
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:16pm
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Assalaamualaikum Satan is from the Jinn. Jinn were created much before man was created. They usually live where men don't live ie. deserted places. They can see us , that is why we have supplications for going to the bathroom and while undressing, so that for that period of time, they cannot see us. Allah says: "And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone). "
do you think they account for alien sightings? Allah knows!! wassalaam. ------------- Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper). (Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45) |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 7:13am
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Do you have to believe in Jinns to be a Muslim ------------- Kay |
Posted By: Knowledge01
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 11:48am
In the Qur'an, God talks about jinns in numerous places, so it is required that we believe whatever God says, as with anything else He says. |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 2:12pm
Although various observations and theoretical models do actually indicate that there are "parallel" worlds, the idea of Jinn are no different from establishing the idea of angels and humans. Keep in mind that science still discovers new species of animals, and science has stumbled onto species that were thought to have been extinct millions of years ago like the coelacanth. Things exist that we know exist even when technology did not exist to "verify"their existance. Gravity is supposed to exist as a wave, but no one has ever detected a graviton wave. Recently, there has been a surge of people taking interest in something called "EVP", electronic voice phenomena. This has been an observed phenomena going back to at least the 1940s. The phenomena is that during a recording session, somehow, an unknown voice is inprinted on the recording such that the extra voice is only heard when the recording is played back. People have gone into grave yards and while asking each other various questions or making comments, they can hear a response to the comment or questions when it is played back. Some people have identified the voice as someone familiar (when this is done in a family home or dwelling of someone who died). I believe it was in the 1940s during a recording session of Gregorian Monks, one monk heard his father responding to his comments that were part of a recording. I believe these are Jinn. There is also a claim that something termed "shadow people" exist, who are unidentified dark figures that can be seen in old abandoned homes, sanatoriums, etc. I have seen some film footage and it is obvious that something is there, but seems to phase in and out. One gentleman actually used a small diode laser to hit one of the objecte, and the beam established "something"was there. It was pretty incredible. Jinn are simply apart of our world and interact with it. Yes, the belief in Jinn is part of being a Muslim. We take the entire Quran as true. Kindest regards ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 2:36pm
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Andalus says:the idea of Jinn are no different from establishing the idea of angels and humans. I don't agree at least for me, it requires I stretch my mind to embrace something completely alien to me (excuse the pun). it's funny how my mind works. If you would ask me if I believed in ghosts or the "paranoraml" I would tell you yes. but link witha religion and its like I came to a screeching halt and bulk at the idea. so as a convert how did you make the leap ------------- Kay |
Posted By: Seif
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 2:43pm
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My brother I am having a hard time with the Jinn concept too. Angels are fine, demons are fine, but Jinns I just can't wrap my mind around.
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Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 3:05pm
Greetings again senekerk. It was not a leap for me. Jinn are simply another class of beings. I have a question for you: You believe in an unseen God who was able to Create the Universe and all life, and you believe in unseen beings who interact with man and carry messeges from God and may offer some protection from time to time that you call angles, but unseen beings that interact with man called Jinn are difficult to believe? :) It was not a jump for me. ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: Andalus
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 3:07pm
What is there about Jinn that is hard to accept that is not within the realm of angels? ------------- A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 5:49pm
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As Salaam, In Genesis , Chapter 6 it reads: " When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they married any of them they chose." there has always been a debate about who were the sons of God were. In a commentary it states " The phrase sons of God has been intrepreted to mean either angels or human beings. Jinns could be an explaination to this passage ------------- Kay |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 6:12pm
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Andalus asks: It was not a leap for me. Jinn are simply another class of beings. I have a question for you: You believe in an unseen God who was able to Create the Universe and all life, and you believe in unseen beings who interact with man and carry messeges from God and may offer some protection from time to time that you call angles, but unseen beings that interact with man called Jinn are difficult to believe? My problem has more to do with acceptance then with belief. My ego tells me that God made me ( human beings) and we are special. If I admitt, give into, accept Jinns, then I also have to accept that I am not as special to God as I thought. ( this is probably faulty thinking) I have to surrender that Allah is God and can create whatever he wants. I have to be willing...... again I have to surrender to what ever Allah does and my selfish and self-centered thinking bulks at this Angels don't marry do they??
------------- Kay |
Posted By: Knowledge01
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 10:31am
You are correct, you need to defeat those thoughts of yours. �God is sufficent for all His creatures' needs, wants, and everything else. �He is the Sustainer and Protector of all that exists and is not begotten nor begets. Angels are a totally dfferent creation from jinns, animals, and humans. �They were created from light. �They have no free will and do not live lives outside of serving Godin whatever He orders. �They do not marry, have families, etc. |
Posted By: Seif
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 11:00am
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Ok, i thought about Jinns further and I realize that my problem probably has more to do with holding on to the traditions that I was raised with, which of course as the brother stated in the post above, I need to get out of that realm of thinking and put my faith in the Almighty.
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Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 2:26pm
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i still find it strange that they marry, have children etc. if they were like angel it wld be easier to accept ------------- Kay |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 7:32pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem Do you have trouble believing in Satan and all the evil he does? Do you believe he has demons who help him in this task? The only difference between Christian and islamic belief regarding satan and his demon helpers is that christians believe they are fallen angels, [which is in contradiction with the fact that Angels have no will of there own to disobey god with], Muslims believe Satan and his demons are Evil jinns [shaytan being the Islamic name for an evil jinn]. You would certainly have believed in satan and his demons, so i ask this what world do they exist in can we see them what powers do they have what can they do cant do......you will find many of your answers are similar to what jinns can do with the minor difference being they are not fallen angels. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: hat2010
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 2:54am
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Morocco was my real introduction to a world where many interact with the
jinn in their day-to-day life. Examples - 1) Pouring hot water down a drain is a way to irritate jinn and you will hear many Moroccans say "Bismillah" before pouring (unless they wait for it to cool) 2) What we might classify as bipolar, autistic or schizoid can sometimes be diagnosed as being meskoon, or "inhabited" (with jinn) 3) Children left alone to cry in the dark, in a wet place (bathroom, etc), near the dead (cemetaries, butcher stalls, etc) are susceptible to attacks by the jinn. It is a belief held by Muslims of every class; i.e; the well-heeled educated as well as the desperately poor and illiterate. In my life and experience, I have never encountered a Moroccan who has given the existence of the Jinn a second thought - Jinns simply are. Well - that's probably enough Jinn talk for me this Friday morning! Have a blessed and prayerful day everyone, Jamal Morelli |
Posted By: senekerk
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 4:35pm
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As Salaam, I was telling my friend about jinns and she said I get chills when you talk about the jinns. she went on to tell me that she see people out of the corner of her eye in her house. She went on to tell me they look smoke like in appearence and once or twice she smelled smoke. Her dog even barks at them. When she related this I felt a burden lifted from my heart and felt peace. OK the jinn issue is settled thank you all for your help.
------------- Kay |
Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 11 February 2007 at 5:50am
| al hamdulilah (praise be to Allah). |