Query-Red File One!
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Topic: Query-Red File One!
Posted By: Suleyman
Subject: Query-Red File One!
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 11:21am
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As Salamu Alaykum Dear Moderators, As you know from your previous actions you have banned sister Hanan for one week then let the ban bieng avoided later with an welcome echo waied on to the empty room, I really wonder if you really search for the effects of your decisions before being executed,thinking on their results or comparing with the other alternatives for keeping the board away from the side effects of the decisions;or should we think that these decisions are taken on the way of chance without having any deep perspective?, Sister Hanan was an sister finding her peace in the board,she was an sister staying lonely in an unislamic area with the deep hurt of her death husband,the board was her connection to Ummah, Do the moderators or me ever being left in desert?,are we able to know how can it taste?... We as muslims sometimes or most of the times should see the back side of the stories and should keep ourselves from the wrong decisions if especially a sister who is older than us or than most of us especially if she is angry by the cause of her problems and crying to the board with overeacting... A mature sister should been banned like an elementary school girl and she should have been treaten differently whether she is on the wrong way or not... Islamicity is the place hugs the muslims with all their problems,this board is more than an fiscal are having it's place on the net.... After the welcome did she turn back?,what we earned with this ban?... Do we on the perpeception of what we are able to do instead of the bans...
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Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 3:49pm
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Dear Brother Suleyman, I am deeply moved by your post and want to thank you for your sincere concern. Please allow me to respond by explaining how I feel today about my temporary banishment and its consequences. At the beginning, I did feel that my banishment was unjustified and had even begun to erase all of my posts from the forum. I had planned to �resign,� but by the time the week was over I had changed my mind. I realized that my words to brother BMZ, written in anger, were indeed insulting and hurtful. After drafting several letters of apology, never to be sent (none sounded or felt right), I decided to give myself time until the appropriate words would come to me. But then, Allah the Most Merciful, Most Understanding, sent help in the form of a mod Sister. I was able to write my true feelings to BMZ and was moved to tears when I read his forgiveness. Brother, today I can say that the banishment was precisely what I needed at the time, otherwise I would have probably not realized the anger and other negative feelings I had been carrying inside of me for several days prior to my angry outburst. None of it was even remotely related to Brother BMZ or anyone else on the forum. Brother Suleyman, I admire your insight into my life and pray that those around you should always benefit from your sensitivity toward others. You are correct, the Sisters and Brothers here are indeed my connection to Ummah, inshallah one day I�ll be able to go to masjid like everyone else. I want to apologize to all the members of the forum for any hurt and bad feelings I have caused them. Please forgive me. Wassalam Hanan |
Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 6:33pm
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Welcome home, my friend. Peace to you always, Hanan! ------------- Patty I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future. |
Posted By: pauline35
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 4:25am
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Dear Brother Suleyman, your righteousness set good examplary to all. Your thoughts and views about Sister Hanan's banishment inspire all of us, Muslims or Non-muslims. God bless you.
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Posted By: Patty
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 5:18am
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Absolutely correct, Pauline! Dear Suleyman, that was a wonderful thing you did for all of us. May Allah/God richly bless you always.
------------- Patty I don't know what the future holds....but I know who holds the future. |
pauline35 wrote:
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 5:34am
Assalamu Alaikum, Welcome to the forum, Sister. May Allah help us and guide us all. Peace ------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |
Posted By: herjihad
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 5:10pm
Salaamu Alaykum, Here I will add that I was banned for "scholar bashing" and no comment was made by the administration or moderators, they said to me, "out of respect". I feel the banning was disrespectful and inappropriate and the secret nature was deplorable. Maybe some people would have been happy to hear I was banned and could have applauded your action publicly. Maybe a couple would have let you know how disingenous it was to do and especially in the way that you did it. You made a new rule that banning was to last for ten days and that after a second banning, the person would lose all future posting rights. That's kind of funny that rule was made the week of my first banning. Are you that tired of me mods? I'm not tired of you, really. I find some of your moderator posts amusing and some informative and the rest I usually just giggle at. I don't appreciate your banning Hanan or me for the above reasons Brother Suleyman has stated. He put it beautifully. You know that I needed to come back at least to say ma salama, didn't you? Please comment because this is one of those notice/comment type ones where the members are invited to post their thoughts. Salaams. May Allah, The All-Knowing, grant us wisdom and patience. Ameen ------------- Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will. |
Posted By: Sign*Reader
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 12:26am
Sister Hanan: welcome back  It has been so boring around here
------------- Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction. |
Posted By: ummziba
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 5:13am
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Assalamu alaikum, How strange things have become around here! A self professed pedophile was allowed to post all over the boards for far too long; banned people (like Nadir/Antony and all the rest of the names he uses) keep posting anyway despite being banned multiple times; many non-Muslim Islam bashers spread their ridiculous and hurtful garbage far too long before banning.... ...and yet the mods are so harsh on the Muslims. And now, secret banning? On an Islamic forum, one would think that rather than banning a Muslim for opposing views, rudeness or what ever is the case, that good, Islamically based reasons why what they said/are doing is incorrect would be far better for all concerned than banning. That way everyone might learn something useful rather than have feelings hurt and people leaving the boards in droves - which seems to be the case of late.... There must be room for many views here but, there must also be good Islamic direction from the mods when someone "breaks forum rules". Of course it takes longer to stop and explain WHY someone's post is breaking rules or is not Islamically correct - but the benefits would be to all. And yes, I realize that the mods are volunteers and it is a very hard job but the methods of moderating need to be looked at seriously before all the "regulars" disappear all together! Peace, ummziba. ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words...they break my soul ~ |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 5:54am
| this is an islamic forum. will we allow non muslims to discredit the Quran and Islam here, while we do nothing? i dont think its right. if a muslim were to log onto a christian site and say things to discredit the Bible, im sure he or she woudl be removed from that site. |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 1:51pm
Thank you for your kindness, Patty. Home is where the heart is, and for a while my heart was here in the forum. After the banishment, part of me refused to return, although I'm still interested, especially in the "old-timers Peace to you. Hanan |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 1:57pm
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Assalamu Aleikum I�m not sure who your post is in response to, because I am Muslim, and so is everyone else on this thread, except for Patty, and she has NEVER discredited the Holy Koran or Islam, on the contrary. Please kindly explain the reason for your post so that we may enter into a dialogue, if that is what you desire. Wassalam |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 3:08pm
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Dear Sister Herjihad, This is the first time I�ve been made aware of your banishment and must say that I am dismayed. To ban you, of all people, is very disturbing. Although I do not disagree that my improper behavior warranted the temporary banishment, I do not understand yours, especially since it was kept a secret. I have, in the past, had the feeling that IslamiCity is under pressure from several quarters (FCC among them) to show itself as non-violent, non-Muslim-raging community, and as with everything nowadays in the U.S., things seem to tilt to the other extreme. My personal opinion is that the mods are under pressure from the higher ups in the hierarchy to �crack down� on everyone, although mistakes are made, such as allowing a pederast and vile racist to spam freely for days. As you well know, Sister, it hasn�t always been like that, and I would like to see a more balanced �meting out of justice� by the mods, but perhaps they have no choice. It would be helpful if someone would shed light on the confusing happenings here, otherwise speculations, suspicions and hard feelings will grow, which might eventually lead many regular posters to leave this, as Patty calls it, �Home.� Do not be discourage, Sister. Peace, Hanan |
Posted By: Daniel Dworsky
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 4:41pm
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Suleyman,
My virtual Brother, Thank you for being. Peace, |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 11:30pm
| what. i didnt know sister herijad was banned. thats precisely what im talking about. we had this guy morgan wild, discreting the Quran and islam for weeks, before anything was done to him. i had to eventually sent a pm to one of the moderators. the he was banned. |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 2:53am
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Young Joseph was banned for "spamming and offensive posts," and I'm not sure that I understand what that has to do with the subject of THIS thread, and with sister Herjihad's secret banishment? I don't think that it was your PM to the mods that got Joseph banned. If that had been the case, it would mean that the mods had been "sleeping on the job" for weeks. Having followed Joseph's increasing loss of rationality, I suspect that he "talked" himself into banishment. Peace, Hanan |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 3:35am
| hanan how do u explain him being banned just after i emailed Amah. the mods themselves told me that i dont expect to read each mail and its up to the members to bring things to thier attention |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 4:16am
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As I'd asked in my previous post: " ... what that has to do with the subject of THIS thread, and with sister Herjihad's secret banishment?" Perhaps you would like to explain, because I don't understand your comment? Regarding your assumption: I'm sure it was a coincidence that Joseph was banned after your PM. I remember that one of the mods even said to him (I'm paraphrasing) "I liked you until now." This means that they had been watching him and when he went "too far," they banned him. Peace, Hanan |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 4:39am
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it has everything to do with this thread. isnt this thread about banned members? |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 5:08am
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Yes, in a general sense it is. Please allow me to quote your post, which I took as response to either Herjihad�s or Ummziba�s comments: �this is an islamic forum. will we allow non muslims to discredit the Quran and Islam here, while we do nothing? i dont think its right. if a muslim were to log onto a christian site and say things to discredit the Bible, im sure he or she woudl be removed from that site.� My problem was, and still is, that I fail to see the relationship between the comments by the sisters and your post. Neither sister ever discredited the Holy Koran or Islam, nor should they be compared with Joseph who, I�m sure you agree, was publicly (not secretly) banned for violations of IC rules. I bristle at the notion to throw all the (permanently or temporarily) banned members into one pot, and prefer not to discuss Joseph on this thread anymore. Peace, Hanan |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 5:18am
| i never compared them to the one u prefer not to discuss. nor have i accused them of discrediting the quran. i was merely making a point which u fail to see. |
Posted By: Hanan
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 5:21am
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Thank you for your reply. Peace, Hanan |
Posted By: rookaiya
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 5:24am
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no problem. glad that we sorted this out |
Posted By: peacemaker
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 10:27am
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Assalamu Alaikum, Welcome to the forum, Sister herjihad. I will try to reply your queries. If at all there was a reason not to publicly show your suspension, it was only to achieve a positive effect in you. There was nothing negative aimed at you in this case. We publicly show all members who have been banned. The secrecy, and I would repeat if there was any reason behind that, was only to bring about healthy outcome. Speculations made in this regard in this thread are not correct. Speculations are often misleading; therefore, it is always better to speak something with support of evidence. Following is addressed to everyone including peacemaker: Let us look at the following rule: 4. When discussing issues dealing with Islam, please support your comments with the Quran or Sunnah. Mocking any Quranic reference, Hadith, scholar, or member will not be tolerated. If you are stating something about a religion, please list your source. If it is an opinion, please state this fact. As is evident, scholar bashing is not allowed here. It is NOT part of Islam. "And of men and AdDaw�b (moving living creatures, beasts, etc.), and cattle, in like manner of various colours. It is only those who have knowledge among His slaves that fear All�h. Verily, All�h is AllMighty, OftForgiving." Qur�an 35:28 "O you who believe! Obey All�h and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to All�h and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in All�h and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination." Qur�an 4:59 If you don�t agree with a scholar on any issue, please do so respectfully while backing your view from reliable sources. That will be fine. No opinion or even Islam can be forced upon anyone. But, outright rejection of Islamic scholarship without proper evidence, misplacing all the blame on scholars, mocking them etc. comes under "scholar bashing." We may not agree on many things, but we should learn to discuss respectfully. That is where lies our unity for a common cause, for justice and peace. When we speak here, entire world listens to us, but we fail and fail again to deliver what we want to deliver. Allah has blessed us this opportunity to convey the message of Islam to entire humanity, let us utilize this moment. Finally, regardless of how hard we try to properly enforce rules, please understand that we may never become error free due to nature of this job; we can only keep improving gradually, and that is what we strive to do by the grace of Allah. I hope we all would stick to the guidelines. May Allah help us and guide us all. Peace ------------- Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13 |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 1:52pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem assalamu alaikum A few points i would like to make after skimming through this thread, The moderators are completely independant from the IC staff and website. The Admins of the site have never placed any pressure on moderators to do anything and they are all volunteers who do this for the sake of Allah. with out knowing the reasons why anyone was banned, it is a basic islamic adab to discuss the opinion but not the person. You are free to disagree but not slander! if you dont want to behave like a muslim dont do it in front of other muslims becouse it is the minimum for a muslim to recognise in there hearts that a thing is wrong and it is the hight of iman to speak and act against it. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 2:02pm
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As Salamu Alaykum Dear brother Rami, These users has an hughe haqq and obivous reasons on this issue that they needed to talk,no one is juding is anyone just leave them to express themselves and get them relaxed then please be sure that the best will happen to them and to the board...ws
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Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 2:08pm
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Bi ismillhir rahmanir raheem im speaking from experiance br. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |
Posted By: Suleyman
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 2:13pm
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I underwrite your experince,your knowledge on Islam and sepaking from truth...ws.. |
Posted By: rami
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 2:16pm
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem what i said are the basic truths people are free to judge if any of it applies to them. ------------- Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness. |