Basics of Islam - Female circumcision halal?

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

It appears that ignorance is bliss and your post is riddled with it. Most Muslims and by most i'm not referring to the authorities of the madhabs do not practice female genital cutting.

I beg to differ Malaysia, Indonesia and Egypt make up a vast number of the muslim population all of which are countries in which the shafii madhhab is dominant, there are other countries as well.

The Shaffi madhhab and the hanafi madhhab make up the overwhelming majority of muslims around the world, Indonisia if I remember correctly is the largest single muslim population on earth.

The muslim world is overwhelmingly different from that in the west where you and I reside, have you been outside America to a muslim land?

And yes my mind differentiates between what the "Sunnah circumcision" states and what is stated by the medical community.

If you acknowledge something is sunnah how can you go on to state it is not a part of islam.

those that do practice it mainly do the "slight trimming" of the clitoris

Is the prepuce [clitoral hood] of the clitoris now the clitoris itself?

Even if you cite the Hadith there is no explicit wording from the Prophet which states "Females must be circumcised."

What do you know about Islamic law, do you think muslims are simply literalists who don�t deeply analyse there Quran and sunnah. But even the word Deeply can only ever be understood by to the extent of your experience your world hasn�t been opened up to Islamic scholarship and its sciences, more than likely you can only conjure up what form of science and analysis you have come across in your western world. Does rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] need to specifically state something for it to be a command ?

Am i making the claim they must be?

Only authoritarians do and most of the scholars in Islam are in disagreement over this issue.

Do you know how to deduce law from the Quran and sunnah, speaking from limited experience with the science of Usul al Fiqh the arguments and evidences and methods our scholars have produced over 1400 years of studying The Quran and sunnah are of a higher standard when compared to any arguments I have seen from any individual anywhere including yours. It is easy to talk about something you know nothing about its called generalization, your statement ignorance is bliss would truly be appropriate at this point in time as ignorance allows a person to conclude on matters before comprehensively studying them.

If the scholars are in disagreement who said it is haram they only disagree on various levels of acceptability.

Maybe you think if a matter is not hallal it must be haram and there is nothing in between why else would you even bother saying he did not specifically say it must be done if your mind wasnt limited to these two extremes.

The issue regarding female circumcision is not even an Islamic practice when in fact it predates the Prophet so its not even an original practice.

Is this some sort of Usul principle that URF [custom] of a people can not be legislated upon, the argument of Islamic circumcision is in order to stop this practice entirely even among the people in which it is a custom not over whether or not this should spread around the muslim world so let us make that crystal clear. You and others are making Haram what rasul allah gave permission for and instructed on.

I dont think you know what identifies a practice as being Islamic you seem to be just certain of your self, many people confuse confidence for being correct.

The act of female circumcision is purely cultural not religious.

The moment rasul allah spoke about it, it became a religious matter, you wont find any scholar on earth who wont say this.

It is thought that female circumcision to have started in 163 B.C.E in Egypt which greeks had written about young girls in egypt who were circumcisied.

This is a non Issue since rasul allah�s words are grounds for legislation in Islam.

Here is the question if a young Muslim girl gets her clitoris slightly trimmed by a qualified Muslim how do we know that this Muslim is qualified? Obviously she cannot get it done in the States as well as other countries so where and who determines these qualifications? Even if the procedure is done according to the Sunnah does this muslim have knowledge regarding surgical procedures? There are many questions. Even if the surgery is low risk there is still risk!

Im not even slightly interested in how things are implemented, the actions of a people do not dictate Islamic law, I am only interested in what is and isn�t a part of Islam logistics are the responsibility of the people themselves.

I know you love to criticize me

You replied to my post with �Since Rami refuses to deny that female "circumcision" is wrong� and then claim I love to critisise you subhanallah you replied to my post initially.

because I challenge authority because i find authority to be as fallible as those who follow authority.

This is baggage from your non Islamic days, logically speaking you have not studied the Islamic sciences to be making such a high claim so your words are baseless. Spiritualy speaking most if not all mujtahid Imams are considered awliyah in Islam, maybe theyre not infallible but there closer to ihsan [moral and spiritual perfection] in there character and judgment than anyone else on earth, having personaly looked into the sciences on an extremely basic level I have a more informed opinion than you do, you can easily counter this statement by making the effort yourself maybe you will better see what I refer to, at least I would give you the respect of a person with an informed opinion.

Islamicly speaking right character breads right judgment, would you like me to back that up for you?

You however are blinded by your own zeal cannot possibly recognize the illogical nature of female genital cutting.

Samana wa ataynah, we hear and we obey, I have submitted my will to Allah and his prophet, your arguments don�t even compare. You have not proven otherwise nor have you logically assessed anything if I recall you are also against male circumcision and simply think it is genital cutting.

When the prophet commented on the woman who was performing the circumcision he did so with the intention make sure the young girl was not being harmed and he made a comment based on what was acceptable at that time.

Explain to me how you can know the intentions of any person let alone a prophet who lived 1400 years ago. It was his duty to teach the religion, his character was not so weak as to simply be swayed by cultural norms he set what was normal in Islamic society he was the guide he affirmed the actions of these people and further clarified the matter for them.

Since the prophet was indeed human he was involved in his own culture at that time so I wouldn't expect any individual to be so isolated from their culture simply because they receive revelations from God.

Are you saying his words are not a source of legislation, are you now negating his words with this far fetched explanation. Rasul allah [sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam] was a human prophet he was anything but normal he was privy to what others can not even dream of, if a simple scribe from the court of saydinah sulaiman can bring him the throne of bilqis in less than the blink of an eye [as it is mentioned in the Quran] and he was not even a prophet how normal are prophets compared to us, there spiritual excellence allows them to enter the heavens and see what no other human has the capacity to see.

By allah saydianh Umar after his death himself said he lived among us and behaved like us but he was not one of us.

Again I said nothing about Muslims cutting off the clitoris however they do trim the clitoris and that is a fact.

Is the prepuce [clitoral hood] of the clitoris now the clitoris itself?

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