In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

  Allah (SWT) informed us that HE made us into different tribes and nations to better get to know one another.  As translated from the Holy Quran:

49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, <>Asad(49,15)   and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. <>Asad(49,16)  Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.

And He (SWT) instructed us as to the nature of the bond between Muslim peoples:

But today, ecspecially in the Middle East, Muslims have taken to nationalism that violates the instructions of these holy verses and fatally calls forth the disastrous result of such a violation. 

After over 100 years of nationalist designs, Kurdish Muslims are on the precipice of forming yet another Muslim nationalist state carved out of the body of the Muslim Ummah.  The Iraqi govt is planning a constitutionally mandated Kirkuk referendum as to whether the provincial authority of the city of Kirkuk should reside with the Kurdistan province or with the lower Arab provinces. The result of this referendum could give the Kurdistan confederacy a rich powerful city and massive oil and energy wealth which would all but seal the Kurdish nationalist movement beyond the reach of Baghdad's reach and the diplomacy of any nation seeking to resist the birth of yet another Muslim nation state.  An autonomous and wealthy Kurdistan would seek to annex eastern Turkey and threaten western Iran. American and Israeli operatives are already working with Kurdish rebels to offset Iran and subsequently Turkey.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ID14Ak02.html - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ID14Ak02.html

What's your opinion on a Kurdish state in light of Allah's instructions on believers being united?

America and Israel appear to be advocates of a Kurdish state, given that former sec.s of state Baker, Kissinger, amb.s Holbrooke, Galbraith and others all support it even though it serves as yet another terrible division of the Muslim world. American diplomacy and largely served in the interest of dividing nations rather than uniting them, thereby enabling American interests therein.  This has been for centuries.

What do you think of America's role in this?

Excerpt from the http://www.motherjones.com - www.motherjones.com article addressing the same point:

The Mossad�s former Irbil station chief, Eliezer Geizi Tsafrir, told me that like the Israelis, the Kurds regard themselves as an historically stateless people surrounded by hostile nations. Back when Tsafrir served in Irbil, he even helped set up a Kurdish intelligence service, in cooperation with the Barzani patriarch, Mustafa Barzani. �They [the Kurds] approached us, saying they had nobody to help them in the world, and our people had suffered too,� he said. �We supplied them with cannons, guns, anti-air equipment, all sorts of equipment, and even lobbying. The contacts between us, and the sympathy, will last for generations to come."

Kurdistan will achieve their independence.

If you find it difficult to establish peace in Kurdistan then you should consider taking advantage of the situation of each of your oppressor states. Iran You have the following to make an alliance with in order to take land away from Iran. - Azeris (Azerbaijan) - Talysh (Talyshistan), consider the Azeris to give a small bit of their land to the Talysh as means of trade as they are about to double the size of their country. I mean they are just giving the Talysh just a smidget of land. Certainly they can live with that. - Gilaki (Gilakistan) - Mazandarani (Mazandaranistan) - Balochi (Balochistan, Pakistan) - Turkmen (Turkmenistan) - Lur (Luristan) - Qashqai (Qashqaistan) - Arabs (Shi'a Iraq and Iran, Sumer and Elam) - Your fellow Kurds living in the North-East - Afghanis (Afghanistan) The Farsi Iranians will be so swarmed with enemies that they will have no other choice but to hand over all the land not belonging to them to independent countries, which including giving Kurdish land to the Kurds. In terms of creating alliances with countries, you should work with Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, and the Shiites of Iraq (Sumer). You should promise Azeri land to Azerbaijan, but you should also promise land to the Talysh. You should simply state that if the Azeri people give rightful land to the Talysh that both the Kurds and the Talysh will have their back while fighting against the Farsi-Iranians. Promising to give them that southern peice of land to Azerbaijan will definitely get them to on your side, because they no longer need to travel through Armenia to get to the other half of their country. You should promise Turkmen land to Turkmenistan and promise to help form an independent state for your fellow Kurds in the North-East. You should promise Balochi land to Balochistan of Pakistan, which will insure Pakistan's Nuclear Arms to aid your fight against Iran in the case that Iran should become Nuclear. You should also promise Afghani land to Afghanistan which also insure their participation, cutting off and isolating most Iran around its enemies. You could also gain help from the Armenians if you can work with the Azeris in giving Nagorno-Karabakh and western corresponding lands. This will help insure less confrontation between Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh and it will insure help from the Armenians for Anti-Iranian Alliance. Remember that Azerbaijan will still have more to gain from this war. You should also promise the Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Lurs, and Qashqais their own countries as well, which will insure that they support you. You might be gaining assistance from Saudi Arabia for taking on the Iranians in the first place. They know they have nothing to fear from you guys and they hate Iran enough to give you their help. But I would consider giving the Arabs of Southern Iran their own state, since they are Shiites. And I would consider Elam area of Khuzestan to the Shiites of Southern Iraq (Sumer), which will allow you to have their assistance. With all of these forces on your side, there is no way you could lose. It is overkill on Iran. Syria The worst thing that could happen is that the Sunni area of Iraq (Akkad) decides to join forces with Syria, but if that happens then you could consider joining forces with Israel, since the Syrians fear the Israelis. Maybe if you could work out a deal between Lebanon, Israel, and Palestine you in forming a federation that could best serve in the interest of all three countries then they might all consider joining your cause against the Syrians. Kuwait and Jordan though easy to support against the Shiite Arabs and Israelis aren't dumb enough to go against Saudi Arabia. And with Lebanon and Palestine working in argreement with the Israelis, then you should have more of an agreement with Jordan to work with you guys. As for Kuwait if you get the Shiite Arabs to work in an argreement to not harm Kuwait (otherwise you'll annihilate them) then that should insure some help from Kuwait. I would also considering getting some help from the Assyrians due to their being 500,000 Assyrians living in Syria. You just need to promise them their own state with reasonable boundaries, so they will help you. Also you could gain help from the Druze populace by working with Israel to establish a Druze state in the Golan heights. But... the Syrians because of their close area to Turkey, may consider joining forces with them. Turkey Turkey is one country that seems to be the greatest threat to Kurdistan and yet can be the easiest country to declare war against. Turkey is a country greatly divided against it self with Istanbul favoring a secular government, a great hatrid from the Greeks to the East, and the several ethnic groups that would want their own country. You have the Zaza people that related to Kurds in the East next to Kurdistan. You also have the Levantine Arabs in the south. You have the Laz people in North-Eastern Turkey. They might not be such a good idea to form an alliance with because there are some of them that live in Georgia that want their independence from Georgia, but I think you could work around that. Promise the Laz people their land and if Georgia should declare war then you have the Azeris and Armenians on your side plus you can get the Ossetians and Abkhaz people on your side as well if you promise them independence. You should only work with the Southern Ossetians, because North Ossetia lies in Russia and that my friend is too great of an enemy to fight with dividing them against themselves. I myself as being part Russian can rightfully tell you that it is a no-win situation unless you could get Russia to divide against it self. Also that would be too many enemies to fight and I think the Ossetians can work on their own towards unification of their lands. You could also work with the Pontic Greeks promising them a return of their land in Pontus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks There are roughly 2,000,000 Pontic Greeks. That is a good number of people to form an alliance with. Having Greeks on your side will even increase the support from Greece against Turkey. And with having Greece on your side that automatically makes the European Union on your side. That means all European Union members will be on your side against Turkey. You might have a problem with the Turks of Cyprus running a muck. But if you can work with the people of Cyprus to form a federalize government that can work in favor of both people then they shouldn't be a problem. This huge number of people will will insure a swift and great defeat on Turkey (Anatolia Turkey, since Istanbul will be on your side to insure its Secular way of life). In fact if you could establish these alliances early before engaging into war, it will insure a near instantious victory which will shorten the number of deaths. In fact, there might not even be a war, because Iran, Syria, and Turkey (with possibly Georgia) will become so intimidated.

usama wrote: What's your opinion on a Kurdish state in light of Allah's instructions on believers being united? America and Israel appear to be advocates of a Kurdish state, given that former sec.s of state Baker, Kissinger, amb.s Holbrooke, Galbraith and others all support it even though it serves as yet another terrible division of the Muslim world. American diplomacy and largely served in the interest of dividing nations rather than uniting them, thereby enabling American interests therein.  This has been for centuries. What do you think of America's role in this?

Will you shut up! Allah's only wish is for people to remain united in terms of peace. YOU CANNOT HAVE PEACE IN OPPRESSION!

So give the Kurds their own state, so that you can then work on establishing a federation just as Muhammad would have wanted.

Do you think Muhammad would want his people oppressing each other?

HELLO! That is exactly what the Iranians, Turks, and Syrians are doing.

Muhammad's enemies are not people pertaining to a different faith. It is those within his own faith that support imperialism and fascism and you sir support imperialism over the Kurds. So I hope you have a fine afterlife in Jahannam.

Those who ignored, or only pretended to believe in Allah remain in Jahannam after Qiyamah (Judgment Day).

And you sir do look like you are just pretending to be a muslim, since Allah's ways are to condemn the practice of Fascism and Imperialism (as in enslaving an entire group of people under the nation of another like the Turks have done to the Kurds).

Now choose your allegiance. Will you choose to continue this game of yours against Allah or will you finally side with the Kurds in their rightful need to establish their own state in your caliphate. Think of it like that. 

We do not have give somethink from our land to PKK.....

PKK are terrorist.  We will fight for our land until our last drop of blood....

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(CNN) -- The United States is urging Turkey to show restraint after Kurdish rebels attacked its forces on Sunday, killing at least 17 Turkish soldiers and wounding 16 others near Turkey's border with Iraq and Iran, according to Turkey's defense minister.

I forgot 2 say.... Where was Barzani and Talabani in the Time of Saddam? They have got Passport from Turkish govouerment and raised everywhere in the world... Those both are piker...

Now they are yelling to Turkey,with weapons and guns MADE in USA...

We will fight our land, because we are not racist, there are lot kurdish muslims and people in Turkey they like Turkey and like to life in Turkey....Because our samepoint is we are ummah of rasulullah saw and we are citizen of Turkish Republic....Those who want from our land, is all are Terrorist...

Islam  allows to defend themselfs land....It is not forbidden...

I hope our goverment make rest for them both Talabani and Barzani and never let come to turkey...Bann to Visit Turkey....

Those mothers are Muslim and reading Quran...For their sons killed in Turkey from PKK Terrorists.....

We do not invase  irak and kill...

The Ummah Is Sleeping.....

Indeed, the Ummah of the beloved Prophet (saaw) sleeps. Insha Allah it is waking from its slumber.

The Prophet (saaw) is reported to have said:

Those who call for "asabiyah" are not from among us, those who fight for "asabiyah" are not from among us, and those who die for "asabiyah" are not from among us" (sahih from Abu Da`ud). And the ulama understand "asabiyah" to mean: tribalism. And that tribalism and chauvinism is the precursor and brother of nationalism: qaumiyah. And "asabiyah" and "qaumiyah" are of the same as "racism".

And there are many more ahadith, traditions, of the Prophet (saaw) condemning the cause of nationalism/asabiyah.  

The Muslims of Kurdish ethnicity should realize that they are not the first to call for nationalism. But they have been spared the terrible sins, corruption, and chaos which emerges from a nationalist state carved from the sleeping body of the Ummah. 

Recent history reveals many cases of Muslim nations carved out of the Muslim Ummah only to lead to terrible pain for all, Muslim and nonMuslim, and for the benefit of the enemies.

 The Partition of India into 3 states caused millions of deaths, rapes, oppression, suffering.  The rebellion of East Pakistan, Bangledesh, from Pakistan resulted in the deaths of 100s of 1000s of Muslims at the hands of other Muslims at the urging of the enemies of Allah.

Brothers, the best of the Kurds did not call for nationalism and kill fellow Muslims for "asabiyah". He called for the deen of Allah to be superior. He did not submit to the military power of the enemies of Allah over the Muslim lands, he called for and fought for the liberation of Muslim lands from the enemies and for the deen of Allah to be superior.   The best of the Kurds was Salahudeen al Ayyubi (rha).

Who now is better than the Prophet (saaw) and better than Salahudeen (rha)? Who now knows better?

Repent to Allah AWJ and turn to the Deen of Allah (SWT) for guidance.  

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   You mean you won't give up the land your leaders stole from the Kurds? 
 
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hey. I will not know what your leaders stole. :) you know better than me..

But we dont stole, we are keeping this land islamic..Alhamdulillah.... We do know what our leader do, for what and we also know your leader what they do and for what a reason...

And that is the different betwen us and you...I m  talking about PKK and not Kurds...

Guys like you are funy, you are saying, dont support terrorist but you see the  right of PKK to take our land? Killings is always bad and terrorist act, you said that, dont turn my words, PKK  to Kurd. They are not same....

Its not only they are terrorist, who you and your leader declare some1 terrorist... PKK are terrorist if you accept or not, no interest about it...

Haha Turks have no humanity?

Turks have been tolerating traitors and parasites like you for a long time now, you who want to jump on the separation wagon, be happy we aint slaughtered your people yet, in Europe theyd lock you up, in America, China or Russia theyd lynch you or hang you for the nonsense you people create, in Turkey our government looks after such dogs.

And lastly LOL, no offence, who are you Kurds? if us Turks hated you Kurds or anyone, you wouldn�t be alive right now, thing you nationless people dont even get along with each other and you think your going to beat us Turks? LOL, make me laugh, we came all the way from central asia and been kicking everyones ass since, including yours.

P.S i wouldnt be talking if i didnt have a nation LOL.

Turkey has had Kurdish presidents, and MPs, plenty of them.

Currently even supporters of that pig group PKK are in the parliament as MPs, in England you don�t get HT members running for election, we even let your pigs into our parliament (already full with Secularists pigs) you seperatists terrorists just make it stink more.

Kurds serve in the Turkish army just like everyone else, oh we mistrust you lot so much don�t we, we give you guns to defend our country?

When Saddam gassed and bombed Kurds? Where did you all run to? Oh oh yes, evil Turkey?

What passport was Barzani and Talibani carrying? Oh damn an evil Turkish passport.

We killed you? Liar Liar, thats why your alive ;) LOLand a refugee camp is a great way to jugde Turkey ha? LOL.

95% of Kurds don�t like the Turkish government? Again liar liar lol, most Kurds in Turkey Vote for either CHP(secularists) and those are the Alevi, Bekhtasi groups, they love CHP, or at the moment so called Muslim party AKP, only a few of the votes go to DTP (terrorists, separatist supporters).

 Oh, btw im a Turk, have Kurds in family, married to relatives, proves your doggish, slanted point totally wrong, most Kurds living in Turkey are law abiding citizens, only PKK dogs that cuase trouble.

Funny thing is, most these Kurds that think they know so much about Turkey are Iraqi Kurds LOL. Must be in the blood of some people to traitor.

And btw, if we stole your land, then fight for it, we even clean the dead pigs we kill in the mountains and send your bodies back to your relatives. If you want your own country, then be ready to live another 1000 years under Turkish rule, not the Armenians, Greeks, Americans, Russians or anyone will save you so stop barking and live your life as a human.

BTW, the map some pig posted is Funny, North Eastern Turkey has the most nationalistic religo Turk alive LOL (im from there), and the Arabs in Hatay (ive been there) are no different then Turks, all loyal brothers that give Turkey its rich heritage and culture, unlike some traitoring nationless people.

 

Now keep barking :) America aint going to save you lot for sure

 

You lot stick to you maps and thoerys