Is the Koran Counted?
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Topic: Is the Koran Counted?
Posted By: JohnDM
Subject: Is the Koran Counted?
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 3:04am
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Is the sacred Koran a very specific number of letters or words? The Jews are very careful about the number of letters in the Torah. There are 304,805 letters in the Torah. The reference number for an elohim is 323 (17 x 19) The reference number for the Order of Melchizedec is 318. Take the Torah, the Word of God at 304,805 x the elohim 323 x the elohim 323 is the Order of Melchizedec at 3.18000008e+10 So by some simple arithmetic, �Number Form Follows Measurement Function� and seen is the Order of Melchizedec. And the Christians are part of a New Priesthood. �but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.� Hebrews 7:26 It is when Jesus Christ in his new life natural body, that is the corpse that lay in the tomb, entered the Temple of God on Sunday morning he was anointed and then seen standing there was the LAMB of God, who is the New Priesthood. Because the basic references for all humans is 273 days and 126 is their spiritual body and the Order of Melchizedec is 318 and the anointing is 571. And all four added is 1288 the LAMB of God. So that's what the Christians belong to, and when in their spiritual body are part of the coming spiritual New Jerusalem that is to come down from God they belong to the New Priesthood. So if the Koran is counted I can consider it carefully number-wise. JohnDM A Torah Scroll is disqualified if even a single letter is added. Every letter must have sufficient white space surrounding it. If one letter touched another in any spot, it invalidates the entire scroll. And If a single letter was so marred that it cannot be read at all, or resembles another letter (whether the defect is in the writing, or is due to a hole, tear or smudge), this invalidates the entire scroll. Each letter must be sufficiently legible so that even an ordinary schoolchild could distinguish it from other, similar letters. And also a Torah Scroll in which any mistake has been found, cannot be used, and must be fixed within 30 days, or buried. There are 304,805 letters in the Torah. �And the king of Sodom, the king of Gomorrah, the king of Admah, the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (that is, Zoar) went out and joined together in battle in the Valley of Siddim against Chedorlaomer king of Elam, Tidal king of *nations, Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar--four kings against five. Now the Valley of Siddim was full of asphalt pits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled; some fell there, and the remainder fled to the mountains. Then they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their provisions, and went their way. They also took Lot, Abram's brother's son who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed. Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, for he dwelt by *the terebinth trees of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and brother of Aner; and they were allies with Abram. Now when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants who were born in his own house, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. He divided his forces against them by night, and he and his servants attacked them and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus. So he brought back all the goods, and also brought back his brother Lot and his goods, as well as the women and the people.� Genesis 14:8-16 ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
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Posted By: AhmadJoyia
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:43am
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Though we know that quran is perfectly preserved in its original form as it was revealed to prophet Mohammad, hence all chapters and verses are pre-fixed and no addition or removal from it in any stage or at any time, yet we don't give any significance to the numbers as that the one you have shown examples from Torah etc. Quran has no mysertious effects or powers associated with its number of occurances of words or letters. There is no hidden message in it. Its book of open guidance in our practical life. We read it, understand it and then try to implement it in our day to day life.
Very strange arguments of preservation. However, do they know the authors of their all scriptural books? What if modern research proves beyond doubt that certain portions of the books they have are later additions into them. Wouldn't that fact break away all your numerical calculations?
This is one classical example of anonymous books in Christian scriptures by their own acknowledgement and yet I see you refering from it. Shouldn't you need to revise your calculations to see what comes out when you take this part of scripture out of your calculations? I would be surprised if your result remain unaffected.
For that you have to learn arabic. Wait a minute, did you learn aramic to conclude anything from Christian scriptures? Shouldn't you? As this was the spoken language of Jesus. So could you trust your numbers if your calculations are all based on english translational Bible? Or have you done it in Greek language knowing that the origin of these bibles is Greek and not the Aramic? Then you must have been doing some celtic research and not what Jesus had said about God. BTW, do you know Greek language as I read that not many people know anymore of this language either what to talk about knowing Aramic?
It really looks impressive for the preservation of Jewish scriptures whatever they have it now, but alas, they themselve know that whatever they have is not fully authentic what to talk of fully complete. Whatever, they are doing is encouraging for not letting it more degrade, but the fact remains they have already lost it, in what proportion, no body knows. Based on imcomplete scripture, it doesn't seem unreasonable to doubt your analysis as well.
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JohnDM wrote:Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 1:00pm
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Thank you for your long thoughtful answer.
I am told there are two tasks of philosophy. The first is said to be in the �search� for truth; yet many philosophers say they don't know what the word 'truth' means; while other philosophers don't think truth exists at all. The second task is about the application of logical thinking to everyday questions, concepts, and ideas. Now my philosophy of number references, what I call the �Alchemy of Numbers� is for me a fascinating area that needs continuous and ongoing examination. The weaving of numbers into and out of other numbers is a truism that does not lend itself easily to words; for numbers are labels that can be hidden easily behind other numbers before being seen. And sometimes there is a kind of magical happening within a calculation of mixed up numbers that does amaze me, and so it does seem that there is a real �Alchemy of Numbers� out there. "Number Form Follows Measurement Function" Actually there is found in time that which is found no where else. Let me give an example. I did offer to solve the mystery of the lettering �D. M. - O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V.� carved on the goat Shepherd�s Monument in the gardens of Shugborough House, Staffordshire, England. So I began by establishing their value using the standard numerical code for letters in Greek . And the answer is Death at 190 x 190 x 190 x 19. The date for the Crucifixion and death of Jesus is 3pm Friday April 7, AD30. (There is no argument, and no other choices). Now Mary, the mother of Jesus (and not God) was said to be 17 years of age at the birth of her son. Jesus Christ was born at 2:30am October 1, 6BC and died on the Cross 12,607 days later at 3pm Friday, April 7, AD30. Counting to noon on Saturday April 8, AD30 the only full day the soul of Jesus was down in Hades, and 21 hours after death on the Cross it is 12,607.875 days after his birth. Add Mary's 17 years to her son's 12,607.875 days that is 18,817 days x her son's 12,607.875 days and square root x 1.5 it is 152 x 152. The number for the scape goat is 152 days gestation. So here we are shown that the soul of Jesus was down in Acadia, the land of the goats, that is Hades. The value of the letters �O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V." carved on the goat Shepherd�s Monument at 1721 x 44 the value of the other 2 letters "D. M.� And 1721 x 1721 x 44 is equivalent to four times the death's number 190 x 190 x 190 x 19. And 19 x 8 is 152 for the goat. The words �ET IN ARCADIA EGO� (�I, Death, am also in Arcadia�) is a Latin phrase that appears as the title of a painting by Nicolas Poussin and seen on the sarcophagus depicted on the goat Shepherd�s Monument, has the value 445, and is a reference number for the planet Mars, the god of War. And the letters �O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V." at 1721 added to �ET IN ARCADIA EGO� at 445 is 2166. And 2166 and /0.4 is the Swastika at 5415 ( or 19 x 190 x 1.5), the �Flag of Assassins� The Swastika flag, the �Flag of Blood� is the �Flag of Assassins�. The black four armed swastika symbol is in the center on a white circle of a flag with a length to breadth ratio of 3/5. The white circle has a diameter of 43 units and centered at 26 � 43 � 26 units. So a length of 95 units and a depth of 57 units, an area of 5,415 square units, or the Assassin�s reference number 19 x 19 x 150 lots. So once you have the correct reference numbers the business is like that of a jigsaw puzzle with the pieces marked so to fit together. But it took me 18 years full time work to establish the reference numbers. John D. Miller ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 2:45pm
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The Library of the Goat Elohim - The new Alexandria Library "On the shores of the Eastern Harbour, where under-water archaeologists currently seek the palace of Cleopatra and where, only last year, part of the ancient library was discovered, a 160m-wide shining disc seems to be rising, aslant like a silvery sun, out of the Mediterranean. It is the culmination of an idea mooted in 1974, which became reality when, in October 2002, the new Bibliotheca Alexandrina opened its doors..." The official website gives the circular library a 160 meter diameter and an 80 meter depth. This means the diameter is 6,300 inches wide and 3,150 inches deep. The Ancient Egyptian god Anubis who wears the mask of a jackal gives himself the reference number 63 for the gestation period of the jackal. Thus Anubis a god of the dead, a navigator of souls is seen in the library, to such an extent it could be called the 'Library of the Dead'. Now the business of simple arithmetic reveals things that nothing else can. OK, the Niche in the Qeen's Chamber of the Great Pyramid is 16.15 feet high and that is 6 lots of 32.3 inches, so in the Niche once stood the statue of a mighty elohim, an Alien. The circular library at 6,300 inches x a depth of 3,150 inches gives a volume of 9.819200000e+10 cubic inches. And this is equivalent to an elohim at 323 (17 x 19 an Angel of Death) x the Goat at 152,000,000 x 2 lots. Or it is equivalent to the Serpent at 1,700 (goddess of Delta Egypt), x Death at 1900 x 1900. Thus Anubis would be very much at home in the new library. The sun of Ptolemy's library rises anew By Teresa Levoni Published: May 18 2005 03:00 In this city, Herophilus first suggested that blood circulates through the body, 1,700 years before Harvey. Here Aristarchus posited that the earth revolves around the sun, anticipating Copernicus by 1,800 years. Hipparchus measured the solar year to within 6_ minutes of accuracy, and Eratosthenes ascertained that the world was round 1,700 years before Columbus, and calculated the Earth's circumference with an error of only 50 miles. Archimedes studied hydraulics and gave us his eponymous screw, still used to irrigate Egypt today, and Euclid wrote his Elements of Geometry, to be the bane of schoolboys ever since. Such were the scholars who inhabited the city founded by Alexander the Great in 331BC, which still bears his name. They were drawn by the greatest library in the world, repository of some 700,000 books in the form of scrolls, which contained, it was said, the sum of the world's knowledge. Yet today few visible signs remain of Alexandria's glory days, of the reign of the Ptolemies, the Greek dynasty established by Alexander. The great Pharos lighthouse, one of the seven wonders of the world, was destroyed by earthquakes in the Middle Ages; the Brucheion, the Ptolemaic royal quarter, has fallen into the sea. Most famously vanished is the great library of Alexandria, in circumstances that are still controversial. The library was conceived by Ptolemy I around 295BC, and the blame for its destruction is most commonly laid at the door of Julius Caesar, who in 48BC accidentally set the building ablaze while attacking the fleet of Cleopatra's brother. What books remained, housed in the daughter library of the Temple of Serapis, were torched in the fourth century by the Christian zealots of the patriarch Theophilus. The catastrophe was symbolic as much as cultural. To replace such a lost treasure seemed an impossible dream. On the shores of the Eastern Harbour, where under-water archaeologists currently seek the palace of Cleopatra and where, only last year, part of the ancient library was discovered, a 160m-wide shining disc seems to be rising, aslant like a silvery sun, out of the Mediterranean. It is the culmination of an idea mooted in 1974, which became reality when, in October 2002, the new Bibliotheca Alexandrina opened its doors. The architectural competition for the new library, organised by Unesco in 1988, attracted 1400 entrants from 77 countries. It was won by a small Norwegian firm, Snhetta. Italian, British and Egyptian firms collaborated in the construction. International teams of experts were dragooned into working on different aspects of the complex, which includes museums and galleries, research institutes and auditoria - all connected beneath an open plaza studded with statuary and bisected by a slim pedestrian bridge. There is also a planetarium, a free-floating neon-lit sphere redolent of an orbiting planet to the library's sun. The whole is encompassed by a pool of water and a huge, circular granite wall of 6,000 un-polished slabs, carved with symbolic letters from 120 known scripts. In the same spirit of co-operation, 30 countries and institutions, including Arab states, Unesco and computer companies, provided finance to the tune of $100m. This was not nearly enough, as it turned out. The project came in at a massive $220m, the cost of a Herculean feat of engineering that burrows 18 metres below ground, close to the the Mediterranean, and a dramatic design that spares no expense. In a nod to the spirit of Islamic architecture, however, the library's lobby is modest. It offers no clue to what lies beyond the threshold: the largest open-access reading room in the world, the size of New York's Grand Central Station. As you stand on the Callimachus balcony, a glass platform shaped like a ship's prow, named in honour of the ancient librarian who introduced cataloguing by subject and author, seven of the Library's 11 floors are seen to cascade below, as though seeking their level in the Mediterranean beyond. It is a lake of north American oak, contained within walls of shiny black Zimbabwean granite. Supported by 98 concrete pillars suggesting lotus flowers, the glazed slanting roof, futuristically streaked with blue and green tubes of light, infuses the space with indirect natural light. Furniture is ergonomic, desks are inlaid with leather. There are specialist libraries for children, Braille and multimedia, and an internet archive of 10bn pages. Yet despite the high ideals of the venture, and the 1m visitors who have already admired this landmark building on tours conducted in six languages, the value of a library ultimately lies in the materials it contains. The director Dr Ismail Serageldin's dream that the library should foster a "dialogue of cultures to promote understanding and mutual enrichment" could prove difficult to realise in a country where freedom of expression remains a thorny issue. We are assured that censorship does not extend to the Bibliotheca Alexandrina. "Our policy," states the external relations department, "is that even if a book is banned or censored for the public, the library would still retain a copy or copies for research purposes." Leaving aside what constitutes "research", of more immediate concern is the paucity of books. The metal stacks, which stand ready to accommodate 8m volumes, currently hold 350,000, with the cash- strapped Egyptian government depending largely on donations to fill its shelves. Faced with a similar dilemma 2,200 years ago, Ptolemy III came up with an ingenious strategy: every visitor to Alexandria had to yield up his books to scribes, who made copies. The copies were returned to the owners, while the originals found their way into the ancient library's cupboards. It was a solution of beautiful simplicity - but there are limits to how far the 21st-century library can dare to emulate its illustrious predecessor. ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
Posted By: varshaken
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:21pm
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Hello All!!!!!!!!!! I am a Buddhist from Sri lanka.. I found it interesting that Jews count their holy book. Our holy book is so large that no one has counted it yeat. But I have heard that Koraan was not written by Muhamad and many Koraans were destroyed by a king excepting one. And that Koraan is what everyone has now. How can we say that that Koraan was written or revealed by Muhamad? Thank you John for telling us some of the Jewish logic. Varshaken, The Samurai. |
Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:26pm
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Counting the Cost
Those of us who saw the courtroom drama in the 1992 movie "A Few Good Men," will recall a few lines of dialogue between the army camp commandant Colonel Jessup (played by Jack Nicholson) and the young naval attorney Kaffee (played by Tom Cruise): Col. Jessup: You want answers? Kaffee: I think I'm entitled. Col. Jessup: You want answers? Kaffee: I want the truth! Col. Jessup: You can't handle the truth! And that�s where it�s at, for some Americans cannot handle the truth of that indicated above. Especially religious Americans United States flag law does not specify the proportions of the flag. The proportions of 10:19, so often quoted, are the product of an Executive Order of the President, and are actually binding only in certain military uses. And please note the United States Government buys and uses flags in several other proportions (2:3, 3:5, 5:8) for numerous civilian and military applications. Private citizens are free to use their own judgment. .� http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/us-size.html So President Dwight D. Eisenhower�s 50 state official flag of the United States of America has a ratio of 10/19. And the Stars and Stripes at a 10/19 ratio, can have a depth of its field at 60 units and a field length, a fly, at 114 units, thus an area of 6,480 square units. The perimeter of the this flag is 348 units that is �Four Crowns� each at 87 units. And the Stars and Stripes at 6,840 x 2 is the North 'Twin Tower' at 1,368 feet. And now to show you how 4 Eyes of Horus at 126 each and 17 for the Serpent goddess of Delta Egypt comes out of the Stars and Stripes. Take the Goat at 1.520000e+70 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 2 is the Stars and Stripes at 6.840000e+70 and /2 and square root twice x 12 and square root and cube root and /Pi and x 32 x 32 is equivalent to 17 x 12.6 x 12.6 x 12.6 x 12.6000080 So Number Form Follows Measurement Function. John D.M PS Thoth, Hermes Trismegistus According to a very old Masonic tradition, the Egyptian god Thoth had played a major part in preserving knowledge of the craft of Freemasony which he gave to humankind after the Deluge. The name Thoth means 'Truth' and 'Time'. Thoth was the Master architect who created the blueprint of our reality based on the mathematics of sacred geometry. Thoth was the 'One who Made Calculations Concerning the Heavens, the Stars and the Earth', the 'Reckoner of Times and of Seasons', the one who 'Measured out the Heavens and Planned the Earth'. He was 'He who Balances', the 'God of the Equilibrium' and 'Master of the Balance'. Thoth was 'The Lord of the Divine Body', 'Scribe of the Company of the Gods', the 'Voice of Ra', the 'Author of Every Work on Every Branch of Knowledge, Both Human and Divine', he who understood 'all that is hidden under the heavenly vault'. Thoth was not just a scribe and friend to the gods, but the organizer of order both in Egypt and in the Duat. He was 'He who Reckons the Heavens, the Counter of the Stars and the Measurer of the Earth'. The magical powers of Thoth were so great, that the Egyptians had tales of a 'Book of Thoth', which would allow a person who read the sacred book to become the most powerful magician in the world. The Book which �the god of wisdom wrote with his own hand� was, though, a deadly book that brought nothing but pain and tragedy to those that read it, despite finding out about the �secrets of the gods themselves� and �all that is hidden in the stars�. The Mystery of Hermes Trismegistus, the �three-times great�, was described by Greek and as the Roman mystics in documents loosely attributed to the Egyptian god Thoth. Ancient Egyptians believed that before the dead could enter the Afterworld their hearts were weighed against a feather of truth to determine whether they had led good and honest lives. In his role as scribe, Thoth recorded the results of each judgment. The ibis god is now normally known by the Greek word Thoth, the ibis- headed god, the Messenger of the Sun god Ra. Ra sent for the god Thoth and invited him to go to the Other World where he had determined to make his light to shine. Ra told Thoth to write down on his tablets the names of all those who were therein and he gave to Thoth the power to deal absolutely with all the beings in the Other World. Thoth was to be his vicar. He gave Thoth the power to send out a messenger and so the ibis came into being. He gave Thoth the power to embrace the heavens so the Moon came into being. One further characteristic of Thoth remains to be noted and is that made known to us by the XCVth Chapter of the Book of the Dead wherein he says "I am he who sendeth forth terror and wields the knife in the powers of rain and thunder". The ibis bird has an incubation period of between 28 and 29 days, so a reference number at 28.5 (source, the Zoological Society of London). And 28.5 x 120 is 3420 and x 4 is the North Tower at 1368 feet. ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 12:23am
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Yew Tree and the South 'Twin Tower'
The height of the South Tower was 1,362 feet and was a 'Bloody Tower' because the weight of male human blood when poured into 4 Ancient Egyptian cubic cubits weighs 1,362 pounds. We are told that cemetery landscapes were carefully designed to create place suitable for the dead and also to evoke a meaning. So a a carefully tended garden could invoke the Arcadian tranquillity of the afterlife. Yew trees link the cemetery with the more traditional burial sites of ancient churchyards and, along with other evergreen trees, signified both eternal life and the sombre shades of grief. Shakespeare�s �Richard II� speaks of the double fatal yew because the leaves of the yew are poison, and the wood is employed for bows that are instruments of death. The author Stevens writes that "from some of the ancient statutes it appears that every Englishman, while archery was practised, was obliged to keep in his house either a bow of yew or some other wood. It should seem, therefore, that yews were not only planted in churchyards to defend the churches from the wind, but on account of their use in making bows; while by the benefit of being secured in inclosed places, their poisonous quality was kept from doing mischief to cattle." The yew tree appears to be a native of almost every temperate climate. It abounds in Canada; is in many parts of Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Russia, and Poland; Italy as well as Spain had anciently the reputation of abounding with extraordinary fine timber of the Yew species; and the forests of Castile, in the latter country, once supplied England with highly prized bow-staves. The length of a bow is in proportion to the length of the arrow and also its weight. The 6 feet length of a bow of say, 50 pounds pull uses a 28 inch arrow and flies over say some 290 yards. (And the number 29 forms itself into the internal volume of the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid). Interestingly the specific gravity of Yew wood has something bloody to say. The weight of one cubic foot of Yew wood weighs from 46.1 to 50.5 pounds, so the average weight is 48.3 pounds per cubic foot. Now 48.3 pounds x Pi twice x 20 lots is 7 lots of 1,362.005 feet about the height of the South 'Twin Tower' the Bloody Tower. So now you can see a relationship between the Yew tree and death. Sad. ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
Posted By: JohnDM
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 1:25am
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The Egyptian plane crash and the new Egyptian Library It was nearly two hours after midnight October 31st 1999; and it was dark outside the Boeing 767 of EgyptAir Flight 990 that was on a scheduled flight from New York to Cairo, an aircraft that was soon and very mysteriously to crash into the sea some 60 miles off Nantucket Island, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people onboard. After spending more than $13 million on the crash, the National Transportation Safety Board investigators have determined that there is no evidence that would indicate mechanical failure, and determined the co-pilot, Gamil el- Batouty, deliberately crashed the aicraft, committing suicide and murdering 216 people. The reason for suicide they say is compounded by Gamil Batouty's last words, and according to investigators, were a Muslim prayer in Arabic, "I rely on Allah " and said 11 times before the aircraft crashed. The EgyptAir plane was named �Thutmosis II� after a pharaoh who ruled Egypt around 1450BC but he was not the Pharaoh of the Exodus in 1441BC. EgyptAir not only named their aircraft after pharaohs, and the icon of the ancient Egyptian falcon headed god Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, the �Lord of the Air� is painted on the tails of the planes. The Egyptian investigators have been trying to explain why, at 33,000 feet, the Boeing 767�s autopilot was shut off, its throttles cut back and the elevators on the tail initiated a steep descent and then climbed again before crashing into the sea. They are sure Flight data recorder (FDR) and radar data indicated that the airplane leveled at its assigned altitude of 33,000 feet at 01:44:27am. At 01:47: 19am the captain of EgyptAir Flight 990 was instructed to change radio frequencies for better communication coverage. At 01:48:40am about 11 seconds after the captain left the cockpit, the CVR and 21 seconds later the co-pilot quietly stated, "I rely on Allah." There were no sounds or events recorded by the flight recorders that would indicate that no unusual circumstance preceded the co-pilot�s statement strange statement. At 01:49:48am the co-pilot stated quietly, "I rely on Allah." At 01:49:54am the FDR recorded an abrupt nose-down elevator movement and a very slight movement of the inboard ailerons. Subsequently, the airplane began to rapidly pitch nose down and descend. Between 01:49: 57am and 01:50:05am the co-pilot quietly repeated, "I rely on Allah," seven additional times. The captian having returned to the cockpit at 01: 50:06am the CVR recorded the captain shouting, "What's happening? What's happening?," During this time and while the captain was still speaking at 01:50:07am, the co-pilot stated for the tenth time, "I rely on Allah." According to the CVR and FDR data, at 01:50:08am as the airplane exceeded its maximum operating airspeed, a master warning alarm began to sound. Also at 01: 50:08am the co-pilot stated quietly for the eleventh and final time, "I rely on God," At 01:50:15am the captain again asked, "What's happening?� What's happening?" At this time, as the aircraft was descending through about 27,300 feet and the FDR recorded both elevator surfaces beginning to move in the nose-up direction. Shortly thereafter, the aircraft�s rate of descent began to decrease. At 01:50:21am about 6 seconds after the aircraft's rate of descent began to decrease, the left and right elevator surfaces began to move in opposite directions. The aircraft was obviously out of control. Between 01:50:31am and 01:50:37am the captain repeatedly stated, "Pull with me." However, the FDR data indicated that the elevator surfaces remained in a split condition (with the left surface commanding nose up and the right surface commanding nose down). The FDR and CVR stopped recording at 01:50:36am and 01:50:38am respectively. The radar station�s last communication was at 01:50:34am. So in three minutes, the Egyptian co-pilot Gamil el-Batouty recited eleven time a Muslim prayer: "Tawakilt ala Allah," which has been variously translated as "I entrust myself to God" and "I put my faith in God's hands". The question one should ask is, �Was the cockpit voice recorder edited? Because it was reported by two eyewitnesses from a nearby island that they saw a UFO alongside EgyptAir Flight 990 just before the plane crashed. So it seems that the Aliens attacked the passenger plane. OK, so counting backwards from a most important time marker of the last 500 years, that is 12:00:01am September 11, 2001 to 1:49:37am October 31, 1999 (At 01:49:48am the co-pilot stated quietly, "I rely on Allah") it is 680.4082667 days. And 680.4082667 days x 10 and square root is 82.4868636 cubic feet the external volume of the sarcophagus in the King's Chamber when new, and as a single block of red granite at 89.62 x 38.5 x 41.31 inches. And the sarcophagus at 82.4868636 cubic feet and squared and cubed twice is equivalent to the Goat elohim at 1.52000e+30 x 170 x 190 x 2 at 9.81920000e+34. And so the Serpent at 1.700000e+30 x Death at 190 x Death x 190 x 16 lots is again 9.81920000e+34. And the number 9.8192000e+10 and /Pi and cube root is 3,149,9868 inches is 80 meters is the radius and the depth of the new library. So the 'Library' came out of the sarcophagus, and EgyptAir Flight 990 was attacked by a powerful Alien force. Sad ------------- "Ignorance is no refuge" |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 19 July 2005 at 4:46pm
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Look into khaliffa and the 19'ers. They are heavily into numerology.
According to them, there are a number sequence in the Quran, that are
very precise. Personally i have a problem with all this hoolabaloop as
even though it might be in there. i fail to see how it is relevant for
my salvation. It does have a heavy amount of self refference though. Copyright � Muhammed Asadi 1999 There was a fundamental crisis in mathematics about a hundred years ago, a basic disturbance that affected all of logic till it was repaired. Logicians realized that for centuries they had left out the concept of "Self-reference." For centuries, Aristotle�s rule of the "Excluded middle" had been used. This rule is a proposition that states, "Every proposition is either true or false." Somebody was smart enough to question that very proposition. What if that proposition that states that every proposition is either true or false is false? People had overlooked that for centuries. Not so the Koran. If the Koran is what it claims to be then it should be aware of self-reference, as applied to its own statements. Paul Davies, professor or Mathematical Physics at the University of Adelaide in Australia, in his book, The Mind of God (1992), talks about how Self-reference shook the very foundations of logic and how it was resolved (emphasis is mine): In spite of its superficial plausibility, the formalist interpretation of mathematics received a severe blow in 1931. In that year the Austrian mathematician and logician Kurt Godel proved a sweeping theorem to the effect that mathematical statements existed for which no systematic procedure could determine whether they are either true or false�. The fact that there exist undecidable propositions in mathematics came as a great shock, because it seemed to undermine the entire logical foundations of the subject. Godel�s theorem springs from a constellation of paradoxes that surround the subject of self-reference�The great mathematician and philosopher Bertrand Russell demonstrated that the existence of such paradoxes strikes at the very heart of logic, and undermines any straightforward attempt to construct mathematics rigorously on a logical foundation. Godel went on to adapt these difficulties of self-reference to the subject of mathematics in a brilliant and unusual manner. He considered the relationship between the description of mathematics and the mathematics itself�In this way, logical operations about mathematics can be made to correspond to the mathematical operations themselves. And this is the essence of the self-referential character of Godel�s proof. By identifying the subject with the object- mapping the description of the mathematics unto the mathematics- he uncovered a Russellian paradoxical loop that led directly to the inevitability of undecidable propositions. (Davies 1993:100-101).
Self-reference takes into consideration the "use" and the "mention" of words. When you "use" a word, it is the meaning of the word that is implied. When you "mention" a word, you are talking about the word and not its meaning. Every sentence can thus talk about the words it is using or the meaning of the word. As an example: If I say, " Youth comes before manhood," it would be logically incorrect unless specified. The reason being that in the dictionary, "Manhood (the word and not its meaning)," comes before "Youth (the word)." Since the Koran talks about numerous things and uses many words sometimes repeating them many times, if the author of the Koran was a man or group of men we should find many opportunities to find such logical errors of self reference in the book. However we find something amazing when we apply the self-reference check. If I said, "There is a mistake in the Bible,"to a crowd of pastors, there would be a great uproar and people would respond with emotion, "No there is no mistake in the Bible. Show us a mistake." I could logically show a mistake in the book by reading a passage like, "David made a mistake�" See, the word "mistake" is in the Bible. Now if the Bible were to say, "There is NO mistake in this book," it would be falsified and disproved logically, by that example. This is no trick; it involves delicate matters of logic. However, safely for now [not so otherwise] the Bible never makes such a claim, but the Koran does!
"Do they not consider the Koran with care. If it had been from anyone other than God, it would contain many (Kathirun) contradictions (Ikhtelaafun-)." Koran 4:82 The meaning of the statement (use of words) is clear. Considering the nature of the Book and its diverse topics and areas of discussion, if the Book had a human origin, it should be easy to find discrepancies in it. If we consider the "mention" of the words a different picture emerges. Let us see if the Koran passes its own falsification test on the criteria of "self reference" using the "mention" of words. In the "mention" of the word contradictions (Ikhteelafun), the meaning that emerges is; if the book had a human origin it should contain many (Kathirun), Ikhteelafun (contradictions, the word). Many denotes more than one. To check how many times the word "Ikhteelafun (contradictions)" occurs in the Koran, we make use of the index of every Arabic word in the Koran. Due to the work of Faud Abd al Baqi, we possess such an index of the Koran today, titled, Al- Moojam al Mofahris. Indeed the author of the Koran is aware of self-reference and the Koran passes the test of the "mention" of words as the word "Ikhteelafun (contradictions)," is just mentioned ONCE in the whole Koran in this particular verse. Not many (Kathirun) times, but only once. Some people band together the last two words of this verse: Many (Kathirun) Contradictions (Ikhteelafun). Then they say see the Koran mentions the words Ikhteelafun Kathirun (Many Contradictions) and the verse says that if it came from other than God it would contain Ikhteelfun Kathirun (Many contradictions). This is a very smart move in trying to prove the Koran false but it�s not smart enough. People who try to disprove the Koran by taking the last two words in conjunction are implying, in the mention of words, that if the Koran contains the words "Ikhteelafun Kathirun (many contradictions)," it came from other than God. The statement in the Koran is not saying that. It is saying that books from other than God can contain the words "Ikhteelafun Kathirun," but so also can a book from God. Thus they fall into the famous Fallacy of the Converse in logic. Rain means wet streets but wet streets do not necessarily mean rain. Similarly, the Koran did not say, "If it contains Ikhtelafun Kathirun (many contradictions) it came from other than God." It does not say that.It is because the qualifier for the verse, "Kathirun", i.e. "many" is taken out
Jesus is like Adam: The example of Jesus with God is like that of Adam. He created him from dust and said to him, "Be," and he was (Koran 3:59) The meaning of the statement is clear. Jesus being born without a father is like Adam�s creation. The new "mitochondrial eve" theory of humankind�s descent gives even more credence to this comparison as it was a woman from whom the human race descended and Jesus had a mother only, as well. However, in the mention of words, it says that the word "Jesus (Eesa)," in the Koran is like the word "Adam." It is surprising to note that indeed the word "Jesus (Eesa) [page 494 of the Index]" in its mention in the Koran is like the mention of the word "Adam [page 24 of the index]," Both words occur in the Koran twenty five times. Not only that, it is in the same order of succession. The verse that mentions that they are like each other is the seventh time the word "Jesus" is mentioned and the seventh time "Adam" is mentioned.
The example of a "Dog": "The example of him [who forsook our signs] is as the example of the dog. If you attack him he pants with his tongue out and if you leave him alone he does the same. Such is the example of THE NATION WHICH DENIES OUR REVELATIONS� (7:176)." The Arabic word used for dog is "Kalb(singular)". The word for "dog" in the singular occurs in the Koran five times. The statement, "Nation which denies our revelations," occurs five times in the Koran also. Chapter 7:176 is the first time the word "dog (singular)" is mentioned in the Koran (see page 614 of the above mentioned index), and the first time the statement,, "The nation which denies our revelations (page 583-584 of the index)," is mentioned. Therefore the example of the "The nation which denies our revelations" is as the example of a dog (Kalb), in the mention or words.
Not alike: "The blind (al-Aama) and the seeing (al-Baseer) are NOT alike. Nor are the depths of darkness (az-Zulumaat) and the light (an-Nur). Nor is the shadow (az-Zill) as the heat (al-Haroor)�(Koran 35:19-22) [Note: Please make sure while checking the count in the index that you take note of the word "the". For example, "the light (an-nur)," is different from just "light (nur)." Therefore attention needs to be paid, while counting, to the "specific" or the "general" usage of the word.] The word "the blind (al-aama)" occurs in the Koran eight times (page 488 of the index). The word used for "the seeing" above, (al-baseer), occurs nine times (page 121-122 of the index). Therefore "the blind" and "the seeing" are not alike. The statement of the Koran above which mentions that "the blind" and "the seeing" are not alike is the fifth time in succession that the word "the seeing" is used in the Koran and also the fifth time in succession that the word "the blind" is used. The word used for "the depths of darkness," (az-Zulumat) occurs twelve (see page 438-439 of the index) times in the Koran; the word for "the light," (an-Nur), occurs thirteen times (see page 725 of the index). Thus "the depths of darkness (az-Zulumat)," are not the same as "the light (an-Nur)." The other trend that we noticed above, shows up in these words too. The statement above which mentions that "the light" is not as "the depths of darkness," is the tenth time both words are used in the Koran, if we take into consideration the use of the words in successive progression in the book. Another amazing thing that we notice is that the same statement is repeated in chapter 13: 16, and the same trend emerges [which makes it impossible to be coincidence]:
"�Say: Are the blind and the seeing equal, or are the depths of darkness equal to the light�" (Koran 13:16) If we check the succession, it is the sixth time that the word "the depths of darkness (az-Zulumat)," is used and the sixth time the word "the light (an-Nur)," is used in the Koran. We can do the same with the first part that we already covered above." The blind (al-Aama)" are not as "the seeing (al-baseer)". In the verse above, chapter 13, it is the third time the word, "the blind (al-aama)" is used and the third time the word "the seeing (al-baseer),"is used [in the verse which says one is not like the other] in the Koran. In chapter 35 above we saw that it was the fifth time that both words were used in the Koran. Another trend is emerging from the above also: Whenever the Koran says that something is not like the other, the positive mentioned (for example "the seeing" (+) as opposed to "the blind" (-) and "the light" (+) as opposed to the "depths of darkness" (-)) are always one more than the negative. As we saw above, "the seeing (al-baseer)," is mentioned nine times as opposed to the eight of "the blind (al-aama)." Similarly, "the light (an-Nur)" is mentioned thirteen times as opposed to the twelve times that "the depths of darkness (az-zulumat)," is mentioned. The above examples should be enough to confirm this amazing trend in the Koran but let us try one more. The statement above in chapter 35 continues:
"�nor is the shadow (az-Zill) as the heat (al-Har or al-Haroor) (Koran 35:22)" The word used for "the shadow (az-Zill)," is mentioned in the Koran four times (see page 434 of the index) and the word "the heat (al-Har)," is mentioned three times. The statement (35:22) which mentions that "the shadow" is not as "the heat," is the third time both words "az-Zill" and "al-har" are used in the Koran.
Did the Koran fail ? "Say: The evil (al-Khabees) and the good (at-Tayyab) are not alike�(Koran 5:100)" When we come to this particular statement in the Koran on dissimilarity, the items mentioned occur an equal number of times. The word "evil (al-Khabees)," is mentioned seven times (see page 226 of the index) and the word, "the good (at-Tayyab)," seven times also (see page 432). Did the Koran fail? According to our trend above, the negative (the evil) should be one less than the positive (the good). How come "the evil" is one more than what it should be? The Koran fails only if we cut off the statement in the middle of the sentence. The verse continues:
"Say: The evil and the good are not alike; EVENTHOUGH the plenty of the evil amazes you. So be careful of your duty to God, O people that understand, so that you may SUCEED (Koran 5:100)" If we are careful, just like the above statement mentions, we notice that God joins together all the evil (al-Khabees)" in the use of words, i.e. all different forms of the word and not only "the evil (al-Khabees), in order to differentiate between evil and good. Thus "evil (al-Khabees)" is separated from "good (at-Tayyab)."
"That God may separate the evil from the good and place the evil (Khabees) one upon the other also heap them ALL TOGETHER�(Koran 8:37)" Now acting on the advice of the above verse in the "mention" of words, if we "heap together" all the "evil (Khabees)," in its different forms of use in the Koran, and the many root forms, we end up with sixteen times that the word "evil" is mentioned as against seven that the word "good" is mentioned. Thus the good and the evil are not alike if we "heap them together," even though the plenty (sixteen as against seven) of the "evil" amazes us. This itself says volumes for the inimitability of the Koran. How could a man or group of men have produced such a mathematically/logically sound book without having any formal education in logic or mathematics and without access to any computer software or indexes?
Month and Days: In the above-mentioned index of the Koran, if we look at the times the word month (Shahr) is mentioned, it turns out to be twelve. There are twelve "months" in the Koran. The number of times the word "day" in the singular (Yaum or Yauma) is mentioned turns out to be three hundred and sixty five. This discovery in the Koran proves as mentioned above that the Koran cannot be the work of a man or group of men living in the Arabian Desert over fourteen hundred years back. This also serves to provide evidence that the Koran hasn�t been tampered with. The statements that mention, "this is like that," for example is the same in succession in the "mention" of words. The verse that says that "Jesus is like Adam," for example are the seventh time both Jesus is mentioned and the seventh time Adam is mentioned. If there were any tampering, in the setting of the chapters or the numbering of the verses or additions or deletions, this sequence would break down.
Indeed, We have created everything with a measure (Koran 54:49) With God, everything is measured (Koran 13:8)
Acknowledgements & Bibliography: 1.This discovery is based on the lecture, "The Amazing Qur�an." . The accuracy of the "mention of words," in the index Al Moojam ul Mofahris was checked many times over by myself. Page numbers are provided for anyone who would like to verify. 2. Asadi, Muhammed. 1992. Koran: A Scientific Analysis. Lahore, Pakistan. 3. Davies, Paul. 1993. The Mind of God. New York. Touchstone Books.
Note: The Bible is not free from paradoxes (contradictions) of self-reference. The famous "Epimenides paradox" is well known. Paul, writing to Titus, says about the Cretans: 12. One of themselves, even a prophet of
their own said, The Cretans are always liars, evil beasts,
slow bellies. 13. This witness is true�. An analysis based on self-reference tells
us that if the statement that Cretans are always liars is
true, then since "one of themselves (a Cretan)"
said this, it must be a lie, since Cretans always lie (according
to the statement made). So if the statement is true then it
is a lie (based on self-reference). Only if the statement
that "Cretans are always liars" is false can this
"witness" be true. So it is a paradox, a contradiction
that cannot be resolved. This shows that the author of Titus
had no idea what he/she was talking about Im really getting into this side of the Quran. It is truely facinating. Peace |
