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Topic: newsweek was wrong
Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Subject: newsweek was wrong
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 11:34am
Why still do you talk aboutthe desicration when the statements were false? You are just as bad as them for talking about protesting which brings death to some souls.We are all gods creatures if you believe in god.that should be enough for muslims and christians to come together.



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Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 17 May 2005 at 2:50pm

Christians and Muslims do come together and will do so in the future. However, the United States has nothing to do with either; their religion is murder for money.

I don't believe the report on face value; it does, however, fit into the overall pattern of American barbarity I have observed most of my 50 years of life on this earth. As for the reporters' recanting, that is meaningless. The United States has more than enough power to force such a statement.



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 5:07pm
Well if you have such knowledge than why would you think that the u.s would force them to retract that story instead of any other story like the burning of a u,s flag. they dont pull stories or try to change that for anyones sake. for 50years your traditions have led you to believe that all americans are bad.When a good chunk of muslim americans would argue with you about the so called barbaric ways you describe america to be.I give tithes to god not my church and they dont force me to pray five times a dayand beat me for it.thats free will and gods will.


Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 18 May 2005 at 9:00pm

you are obviously incapable of carrying on a mature discussion and so therefore our dialogue is at an end.



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Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 12:14am

even from what we are allowed to see we conclude that us troops are capable of murdering innocents. when it comes to jails prisons or to be more precise concentration camps (for thats exactly what they are if you look at actual meaning of the term) they are also capable of not only committing but also recording their horrific acts... for their later amusement. Taking these acts into account, it is most realistic that such "insignificant" act in the mind of idiots as flushing "some book" down the toilet bowl, did have a greater chance to take place... and took place. 

Pentagon took an advantage of the story and environment around it  and spun it to portray their freedom of religions, justice and moral upbringing... Once again we saw Rice in the show... we heard her reassurance on religious tolerance... bla-bla-bla. In the end, Muslims are over-reacting again, over-emotional over a story that did not involve America and about an act that could not be done by an American. American media is established as just, fair and credible and governement as advocators of justice...

In conclusion, Pentagon is just. Media is not always accurate but honest. Muslims aggressive and emotional. Qura'an is, at least virtually, flushed down the toilet before the world. And everyone goes back to their daily lives... some thinking losers, some winners and some indifferent.  

... but the truth is with Allaah, the Most Powerful.



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Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 9:43am
Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

even from what we are allowed to see we conclude that us troops are capable of murdering innocents. when it comes to jails prisons or to be more precise concentration camps (for thats exactly what they are if you look at actual meaning of the term) they are also capable of not only committing but also recording their horrific acts... for their later amusement. Taking these acts into account, it is most realistic that such "insignificant" act in the mind of idiots as flushing "some book" down the toilet bowl, did have a greater chance to take place... and took place. 

Pentagon took an advantage of the story and environment around it  and spun it to portray their freedom of religions, justice and moral upbringing... Once again we saw Rice in the show... we heard her reassurance on religious tolerance... bla-bla-bla. In the end, Muslims are over-reacting again, over-emotional over a story that did not involve America and about an act that could not be done by an American. American media is established as just, fair and credible and governement as advocators of justice...

In conclusion, Pentagon is just. Media is not always accurate but honest. Muslims aggressive and emotional. Qura'an is, at least virtually, flushed down the toilet before the world. And everyone goes back to their daily lives... some thinking losers, some winners and some indifferent.  

... but the truth is with Allaah, the Most Powerful.

Assalamu alaikum,

well said, akhi.

And people like the one who began this thread pose as "voices of reason," but when challenged immediately expose their hatred of our way of life. Read his comments: in one post he calls for Muslims and Christians to "come together" and in the next mocks our faith. Truly duplicitous.



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 9:06pm
No one is mocking your faith,there is no reason to .I was mearly pointing out that the protesting of the situation led to violence.After it was found to be false.No one wants to be hurt over some idiots article that was found to be wrong in the first place.And that was the point,I have the utmost respect for ALL PEOPLE wether christian or muslim,hindu.etc.But you dont see americans having violent protests over flag burnings and sawing off heads of innocent people who are trying to earn a living for there families.surley you can understand and respect that.


Posted By: kim!
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 9:11pm

Nope - you got that right. When Americans get mad, they bomb weddings in other countries, instead of attacking their own people.

Kim...



Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 9:19pm
Well thats a silly opinion.your obviously missing the point also.


Posted By: Yusuf.
Date Posted: 19 May 2005 at 11:28pm

Originally posted by onegamemaybe2 onegamemaybe2 wrote:

No one is mocking your faith,there is no reason to .

You said: "they dont force me to pray five times a dayand beat me for it."

If you don't consider that mockery, then you are even more obtuse than I originally surmised.

Grow up, take a course in logic or critical writing, and perhaps I might talk to you again. But as I said in another thread, I have better things to do with my time than debate with children.



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Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 3:01am

onegamemaybe2,

you refuse to see how americans slaughter innocent people daily... they do not protest over flag burnings simply because most of them do not know that other flags exist or what they look like, you do not have to go all the way to Bagdad to earn a living for your family especially when the people of Bagdad have made clear that you are not welcome... and there are plenty other less "adventurous" places available...

don't you find it inappropriate to preach the message of peace while you are standing on smouldering bones of civilians... 



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 10:31pm
Well anyone from baghdad is welcome to earn a living anywhere they choose in the U.S.Without getting captured and held hostage,or worse sawing off there heads on national T.V.So telling me about smouldering civilian bones is completley hipocritical of you.You might have to refraise that comment and tell the same truth about the extremists who bomb there own people everyday.Yea thats what god wants blow up innocent people,oh yea and while your at it kill yourself in the process.Innocent bones PLease!


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 20 May 2005 at 11:13pm

Today's America was founded on extermination of the Natives of the once free land, placing the survivors in whjat we know today as reservations (isn't even the word itself humiliating)... still can't smell the smoke?

I would invite you to consider immigration procedures of entering the US for non-US citizens and only after having done that make conclusions on your "welcome" views. Universities of neighbouring Canada and many European schools have experienced flood of foreign students mainly because these students were "welcome" to the United States. Take into account that some were refused entrance while they were returning to continue their studies and not as part of fresh intake. These people paid for their extended stay... i wouldn't want to elaborate on those who came to work with no money.

Killing innocent people, is nowhere near Islaam and its teachings. Without doubt there are extremists who occasionally use the name of Islaam to commit horrible acts. May be one dies or ten, may be a hundred, or a thousand... and they are as innocent as entire nations destroyed by the US in a bloodbath of its "liberation of the universe" that dates back to the day Columbus stepped on the "new" continent. My sorrow is with the victims of a suicide bomber in Palestine, much more sorrow with my brothers and sisters in Islaam... I do have feelings for occasional non-Muslims innocent blood spilt but you don't seem to even notice wild rivers of Muslim blood flowing as we speak at the hands of America. 

Would you, after that, consider yourself innocent for not just letting it be but giving her so much support?   

Have a nice day! And may be you should spend more time watching NBA playoffs instead of wasting your time...



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 12:05am
Well the occasional non-muslim or the rest of the world.you separate yourself and your muslim brothers and sisters.If allah is lovethen your thoughts and emotions should be on all. Saying that means you care more for yourselves than the rest of the world,that is not love for all.You also can't expect to be welcome with open immigration especially after 9'11 which was known by the a large part of the islamic brothers and sisters you speak of as bieng one of the greatest accomplishments ever to have happened by muslims,so of course laws are stricter.At least you can still have some sort of chance.You can't even step foot on any arab soil wether you mean no harm or not without bieng looked at as a arrogant american.Now tell me how you still talk about innocent muslim blood,when you have horrific violence happen all the time to your own innocent people?The horrific acts of violence are not just occasionally bieng used in the name of islam,but all the time they are said to be in the name of islam.Now how would you get someone to believe in your religion if those things are happening and especially getting them to feel for the people who have died in the name of islam if its always promoting violence.The suns are playing the spurs,reggie miller retired and the heat are playing the pistons.I don't even watch the NBA.So if I know this I might not be so bad after all.GOD BLESS YOU  


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 1:04am

Originally posted by onegamemaybe2 onegamemaybe2 wrote:

You can't even step foot on any arab soil wether you mean no harm or not without bieng looked at as a arrogant american.

Just look at your own writing and reflect for a moment... the very sentence that questions arrogance is filled with arrogance. As Bush requested for increase of military presence in Iraq because "They still don't want us there"...

You want to "step your foot", i suggest you knock the door, and if invited, do not forget to take of your military boots off. When you stomp into places of worship with guns, shooting children, raping women and humiliating men... you deserve much more than beheading.

My emotions are on all, if you failed to read the lines, instead of focusing on an empty space between them... It is absolutely normal to have more feelings to the next of kin compared to strangers. Therefore, i was honest to say that in my caring for both my Muslim brothers and sisters are the priority.

  

 



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 21 May 2005 at 11:46am
Your honesty shows your arrogance.I care about your brothers and sisters as much as mine.Thats the truth and god is truth.There is love for everyone in gods eyes and by you bieng honest with yourself might be the first step to realizing that I love all.Not just christians,but all.If extremist hide in churches then they themselves desicrate there own way of representing there faith.They know we won't go in them so they hide there,don't you see that.And you wrote we desreve much more than beheadings who are you to judge who are they to judge,its not yours or thiers to judge.God is your judge.I know you must believe that.Then you say my emotions are on ALL then you say,it's normal to have MORE feelings to there next of kin.Well thats a contradiction right there.Your always writing in between the lines.Love is for all.God is love.


Posted By: Mink
Date Posted: 22 May 2005 at 10:16am
So much hatred, so little time

There are two kinds of people in the world: sincere people of good intent (even if they sometimes make mistakes), and evil people.  Additional labels such as Christian, Arab, Jew, Muslim, American, etc. add spice to life, but right now our world has too much spice.

The Newsweek article was probably true.  I don't say that because I believe Americans are evil.  I say it because:

1.  The International Red Cross has made numerous complaints to the U.S. in the past regarding desecration of the Qur'an.

2.  The early response by the U.S. government was not to deny the allegation, but to say it was the prisoners themselves who tore pages from the Qur'an to make the toilets overflow.  They only changed to a denial when they realized there was going to be big trouble.

3.  The government changed their story three times in the days after the article appeared.

4.  Common sense dictates that Muslim prisoners in an American war prison are frightened.  They have only Allah.  Even if any Muslim on earth would desecrate the Qur'an, and we know that is very unlikely, no human being would desecrate their holy book under the circumstances.  As Americans say: There are no atheists in foxholes.  Since the American govenment obviously lied regarding this, there is no reason to believe their current story.

5.  Newsweek is owned by a large corportation.  Large American corporations are known to be vulnerable to political pressure.

When Americans hysterically and aggressively deny the possible -- in fact probable -- truth of this story, they are really saying they can't believe their military would do such a horrible thing.  Now, it's true they should know better.  We all saw the pictures of Abu Gharib.  But Americans -- like other people -- love their country very much, and they've been raised to think such horrors are simply not possible.  It's very painful and it takes time for an American to accept the truth regarding the atrocities their government is capable of. 

It's understandable if other people don't have any more patience left to give to America.  In many cases, we can all admire the kindness, patience, tolerance, and generosity of spirit others have shown to Americans.  If some now are completely fed up and are responding with horrifying violence, this too is understandable, although it is no more acceptable than American atrocities.

We need to return to basics, supporting sincere people and rejecting evil people without regard for anything else.   There are good and decent Americans, good and decent Muslims, good and decent Jews.  There are also sick, degenerate, rabid animals among all those groups.  The world is too complicated for us to have the luxury of being able to point to any group and say "those people are evil."

Allah told us to encourage good and forbid evil.  If we concentrate on that, without allowing ourselves to become distracted by superficial labels and the need to identify one group or another as the personification of evil, we'll have all we can reasonably do.


Posted By: MOCKBA
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 5:38am

Salaamu'alaikum and thank you for an enlightening post, Mink.



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Posted By: onegamemaybe2
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 8:43am

Incredible,just remember muslims,jews, atheist,hindus,catholics all those labels make up the U.S.Your own people help create this country and they are looked down upon if they ever return home,or maybe even killed for living in the here.Now tell me how thats not ironic?So yes there is evil everywhere,but when you leave the U.S wether you are evil or not you are always persecuted,just for bieng an american.Which is again acountry made up of the worlds people,who vote evryday for there freedom to express and believe what ever they want,and yes some do create havoc to get others to believe in there ways,but bombing of restuarants,and public places to innocent people that want to be free is not the way to handle things.Thank you for your comments they did not lean to one side and that is what is important.God Bless You



Posted By: Mink
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 9:18am
Originally posted by onegamemaybe2 onegamemaybe2 wrote:

So yes there is evil everywhere,but when you leave the U.S wether you are evil or not you are always persecuted,just for bieng an american.


Thank you for responding to my post, and also salamu alykum to MOKBA and all.

I just want to respond to your remark quoted.  I am an American married to a Moroccan Arab.  For those who may not know, Morocco is an Arab Muslim country, fairly primitive as compared to America (for example, running hot water is a luxury), and has unfortunately contributed participants to the terrorist pool.

I honestly cannot tell you all the kindness and sensitivity Moroccans have shown me.  They have gone far out of their way to make me feel safe and welcome.  Poor people who have nothing will find some small gift to give me only to make me smile.  Neighbors keep a close watch over my safety (to the point of driving me crazy sometimes).  Complete strangers go to any trouble to assist me.  People in the community are careful to invite me to participate in events.  Little children run to me laughing because they are fascinated to meet an American.  (I keep chocolate in my pocket for them.  Many have never tasted it.)  Their parents wait patiently, smiling.  I routinely have these experiences all over Morocco, not only in the town in which my husband and I live.

I'm sure there are many places where Americans are not welcome and are even hated for no reason other than being American.  I am sure there are Moroccans who feel this way.  But most do not, just as most Arabs throughout the world do not.  The problem is, kind and decent people don't make good press.

Please know there are many people in other countries, including Arab countries, who are eager to meet you and who will like you if given the chance. 

Come visit us in Morocco.  You will love Morocco, you will love the people, and you will come away with a whole new perspective, I promise. :)



Posted By: sibeld61991
Date Posted: 23 May 2005 at 5:27pm
Well, I'm wondering...are we still talking about the false statement of newsweek??With the Quran flushed down the toilet...when i heard this, even with there apology i still think its all a lie! This is only my opinion, but I think that they apologized because it was offending the Muslims in the world, yet it really happened. If you have any comments about my opinion, just post a reply.

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assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters ask me any questions about islam or your problems and i will do the best possible to answer them inshaallah



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