As salaamu'alikum,

i do not know whom exactly do i seek help from regarding this matter. i was told that i am not allowed to take part in any other discussion(s) except the ones in the 'General' section of this forum. reason? i am still a newbie.. is that justified? one question.. is it my fault if i have joined this forum recently? besides, i was part of a discussion - shia, shafi, hanafi, maliki... - but all of a sudden it was moved to intrafaith dialogue. i do understand that its a matter of organization but why am i forced to leave the discussion? this is HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION!!!???!!!

is there anything i can possibly do in order to be able to continue wid the discussion? i still read the posts that are made on this thread and i feel so bad when i am unable to respond.. this is UNFAIR! please help..

'freedom of speech' is a human right and if i am not allowed to put forth my opinion then it is human rights violation.. isnt it? besides, they actually threw me out of the discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonya....

Here's the advice we give all new comers, you need 45 posts to get into the restricted areas.  We all go through it.  Its to keep the "missionaries" and "uberpatriots" from creating and account and spamming the heck out of the site.  Its for your protection, believe it or not.

Go through the general section and women's section and search the topics.  Make 39 more posts....all they have to be is

"  "

And that's it, its a post.  Once you've hit 45...then you can freely post in the other sections.  Trust me, you don't want them to remove that restriction.  As a Christian, I've seen enough of my so called brethern come in here just to cause trouble.  Its 45 posts to prove you're not a crazy evangelical patriotic missionary.

As for them moving posts.  It happens.  I posted a question in Islam for the Non Muslim about Quran and Hadith and their roles in Sharia, but through the natural course of dicussion it changed to a debate about stoning and is now in INTRAfaith.  Since I'm Christian, its really now a discussion I should not participate in...even though I created the post.

I am sorry, it happens.  I've been here nearly two years.  Its really not that bad, the policies do more good than bad.

THANK YOU angela! Finally i got someone to help me.. i had lost hope.. i came here to ask if someone could atleast tell me how to become a proper member from a newbie and i found your reply! thank you sooo much..

i kept sending pms to andalus but this mr. or ms. moderator seems to be a bit busy which is why he/she never cared to  get back to me.. anyhow, everything happens for some reason.. perhaps i was destined to get your help [for which i had to wait all these daysssss].

thanks once again!

Sorry I didn't get to you faster.  I normally ignore the complaints section.   

i have faced the same problems. maybe that's right to us green-hands.

i wanna know more about this web. who can help me ?

Sister Sonya

Assalamu alaikum

To me, the best policy in this liberal website is not to complain but to strive hard. I suffered the worst insults you can imagine at their watch and kept moving regardless. Dahlani (Andulus) and his ilks will enjoy your cry since they are liberal political incorrect/self defeastist. Moreover, they enjoy Khurafa in creed and thinking. Read his lies in this day and age about Ibnu Abdulwahab in other threads.

Once they label you Wahabi to deflect ....(complete the sentence) you are done if they don't sell you to US governemt and have happy Pacific vacation.

So please cruz this kumbaya business with your own risk and have patient.

May be you educate truth seekers in peace insha Allah

Abu Mujahid

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaykum

La haul wala Quwata illah billah

I am not going to stoop down to your level because i know our Lord is going to ask from us about our deeds. Brother whatever your agenda is may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala give you what you are looking for and deserve. You splah your accusations on people and feel big about that, i really do not understand you.

You are crying over things which never happened, they are just in your head. I never said anything bad about you in the thread you are talking about but still had a mouthful from you. You doubted brother andalus's coming to islam, did he even mention that in his reply? No he did not. Brother Abuzaid has replied about Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab in a nice manner and no one is going to say anything to him. People are free to discuss here in adab that islam teaches us, not going personal.

You keep going on and on about people here being allies of non-believers, may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala give you wisdom to recognise how grave a thing you are accusing your fellow muslims.

Wassalam

Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaykum

albaithobe wrote: i have faced the same problems. maybe that's right to us green-hands. i wanna know more about this web. who can help me ?

You can contact me if you wish and hope your visits to this site are beneficial.

wassalam

Sister don't worry about me let alone preach good manner.  I know for fact what I'm up to. Moreover, I know better how to defend this deen in hostile kizan/dahlani brothers. So Keep bashing me and crying at the same time for Islam. Giving convert to bigger role while he/she know little Islam is not new to Muslims in North America. ISNA, MSA etc did and we know what we reaped from that self defeastist action. So go ahead and treat him like royal while he bad mouth Hurrasal Al-Aqeedah, Sh. Mohamed Abdulwahab. Kitab al-Towhid of Ibnu Abdulwahab is suffice to truth seekers about this man. Ok sister, go ahead, after all, its liberals dahlan's website vs truth seekers.  

Abu Mujahid

Angela wrote: As for them moving posts.  It happens.  I posted a question in Islam for the Non Muslim about Quran and Hadith and their roles in Sharia, but through the natural course of dicussion it changed to a debate about stoning and is now in INTRAfaith.  Since I'm Christian, its really now a discussion I should not participate in...even though I created the post. I am sorry, it happens.  I've been here nearly two years.  Its really not that bad, the policies do more good than bad.

And to me that is wrong!

I know about the 45 posts, BUT if someone is in the middle of a discusion, and the thread gets moved it is rude! I have stated this a few times before, (I have over 5000 posts and i still don't have access even thou i checked into it, anyway that is not the point) the point is it is rude to move something that some people are in discussion with.

Want good policy?? don't be inconsiderate to others who are in discussion by moving them!

Angel wrote: Angela wrote: As for them moving posts.  It happens.  I posted a question in Islam for the Non Muslim about Quran and Hadith and their roles in Sharia, but through the natural course of dicussion it changed to a debate about stoning and is now in INTRAfaith.  Since I'm Christian, its really now a discussion I should not participate in...even though I created the post. I am sorry, it happens.  I've been here nearly two years.  Its really not that bad, the policies do more good than bad. And to me that is wrong! I know about the 45 posts, BUT if someone is in the middle of a discusion, and the thread gets moved it is rude! I have stated this a few times before, (I have over 5000 posts and i still don't have access even thou i checked into it, anyway that is not the point) the point is it is rude to move something that some people are in discussion with. Want good policy?? don't be inconsiderate to others who are in discussion by moving them!

Angel,

How is it inconsiderate and rude to move a post where it actually belongs? What else can be done when a post doesn't belong to the section anymore due to derailed discussions? 

Peace

Abu Mujahid wrote: Sister Sonya Assalamu alaikum To me, the best policy in this liberal website is not to complain but to strive hard. I suffered the worst insults you can imagine at their watch and kept moving regardless. Dahlani (Andulus) and his ilks will enjoy your cry since they are liberal political incorrect/self defeastist. Moreover, they enjoy Khurafa in creed and thinking. Read his lies in this day and age about Ibnu Abdulwahab in other threads. Once they label you Wahabi to deflect ....(complete the sentence) you are done if they don't sell you to US governemt and have happy Pacific vacation. So please cruz this kumbaya business with your own risk and have patient. May be you educate truth seekers in peace insha Allah     Abu Mujahid

brother i am just waiting to become a proper member. I have so many questions for Andalus. he/she moved the topic [thts fine as they say its a matter of organization] but i wont let him/her escape my questions.. making grand claims is easy. the problem arises wen one asks you to justify them.. i cant wait to join you ppl with the shia, sunni, debate..

Angel wrote: And to me that is wrong! I know about the 45 posts, BUT if someone is in the middle of a discusion, and the thread gets moved it is rude! I have stated this a few times before, (I have over 5000 posts and i still don't have access even thou i checked into it, anyway that is not the point) the point is it is rude to move something that some people are in discussion with. Want good policy?? don't be inconsiderate to others who are in discussion by moving them!

EXACTLY! this is what i am trying to say.. how can u jus' throw someone out of a discussion jus' becoz u hve to organize your stuff.. fine then in such a case, i should still be allowed to participate. i mean look at this.. i asked something, a person replied.. i wanted to respond with some more questions BUT i am unable to do so.. the discussion has already went so far that i doubt i'll be able to catch up by the time i become a groupie or whtsoever..

Angela wrote: Sorry I didn't get to you faster.  I normally ignore the complaints section.

Angela, i need your help.. i tried making posts on some threads but it looks st**id coz i dont belong to those discussions and at times i cant bother myself to read all those stuff and find out whats going on in order to be able to make a sensible post on a particular thread.. u kno what i mean??? so what we are going to do is have a formal discussion over here.. something like introducing ourselves?

first tell me, how many more posts do i need to make?

Look Sonya Angela gave you great advice and now you are on your way and I suggest that if you have any further problems PM the moderators. No need to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Keep it to myself eh? Sure, why not?

peacemaker wrote: Angel wrote: Angela wrote: As for them moving posts.  It happens.  I posted a question in Islam for the Non Muslim about Quran and Hadith and their roles in Sharia, but through the natural course of dicussion it changed to a debate about stoning and is now in INTRAfaith.  Since I'm Christian, its really now a discussion I should not participate in...even though I created the post. I am sorry, it happens.  I've been here nearly two years.  Its really not that bad, the policies do more good than bad. And to me that is wrong! I know about the 45 posts, BUT if someone is in the middle of a discusion, and the thread gets moved it is rude! I have stated this a few times before, (I have over 5000 posts and i still don't have access even thou i checked into it, anyway that is not the point) the point is it is rude to move something that some people are in discussion with. Want good policy?? don't be inconsiderate to others who are in discussion by moving them! Angel, How is it inconsiderate and rude to move a post where it actually belongs? What else can be done when a post doesn't belong to the section anymore due to derailed discussions?  Peace

How would you like it if I took your thread or that you are in the middle of talks with others and I just took it all away from you??. you cannot respond to others that are talking to you, and since it is in the rules not to make multiple threads on the same thing or to respond to people who you are talking to you in another thread, you still cannot respond to those who you talk to you. (or vise versa)

I have nothing wrong with putting things where they belong BUT when people are talking and some cannot go into a place then it is inconsiderate! Not to mention it is inconsiderate to those who are asking/talking to the other person who cannot be in a place, and as said you cannot make another thread to respond to those others the respondings either get closed down or deleted! 

Peacemarker, in that natural course of talking, of course things/topics may change, but still it is rude to move elsewhere when some people, involved in discussion, cannot anymore.

Just ask yourself how would you feel? I can't understand why you had to ask me why its rude and inconsiderate  

Derailed discussions or not. It is still inconsiderate!!  

Good point Angel.. I did not know that happened..

Angel wrote: peacemaker wrote: Angel wrote: Angela wrote: As for them moving posts.  It happens.  I posted a question in Islam for the Non Muslim about Quran and Hadith and their roles in Sharia, but through the natural course of dicussion it changed to a debate about stoning and is now in INTRAfaith.  Since I'm Christian, its really now a discussion I should not participate in...even though I created the post. I am sorry, it happens.  I've been here nearly two years.  Its really not that bad, the policies do more good than bad. And to me that is wrong! I know about the 45 posts, BUT if someone is in the middle of a discusion, and the thread gets moved it is rude! I have stated this a few times before, (I have over 5000 posts and i still don't have access even thou i checked into it, anyway that is not the point) the point is it is rude to move something that some people are in discussion with. Want good policy?? don't be inconsiderate to others who are in discussion by moving them! Angel, How is it inconsiderate and rude to move a post where it actually belongs? What else can be done when a post doesn't belong to the section anymore due to derailed discussions?  Peace   How would you like it if I took your thread or that you are in the middle of talks with others and I just took it all away from you??. you cannot respond to others that are talking to you, and since it is in the rules not to make multiple threads on the same thing or to respond to people who you are talking to you in another thread, you still cannot respond to those who you talk to you. (or vise versa) I have nothing wrong with putting things where they belong BUT when people are talking and some cannot go into a place then it is inconsiderate! Not to mention it is inconsiderate to those who are asking/talking to the other person who cannot be in a place, and as said you cannot make another thread to respond to those others the respondings either get closed down or deleted!  Peacemarker, in that natural course of talking, of course things/topics may change, but still it is rude to move elsewhere when some people, involved in discussion, cannot anymore. Just ask yourself how would you feel? I can't understand why you had to ask me why its rude and inconsiderate   Derailed discussions or not. It is still inconsiderate!!

Angel,

Thanks for your reply. Okay, what else should be done? As moderators, it is part of our job to ensure that something should be done to "derailed threads." We cannot leave them the way they are.

Should we close such threads all the time, we do close such threads sometimes when things go out of control?

Please suggest me what should be done that wouldn't be rude and inconsiderate.

Peace

Well, Peacemaker, as this has happened to me, I should answer.

The thread was terribly derailed.  Perhaps you should have created a new thread and asked members to move their discussion of Rajm to that thread and delete any further posts that were off topic.

As it is, my Question about Quran and Hadith when deciding Shariah was completely lost.  The question was for us NON muslims to understand that way Shariah is decided.  I can't help it that the Muslim contributors degraded into bickering over one aspect instead of teaching the non muslims how Sharia is determined.

Perhaps one of you more knowledgeable individuals like Fatima or yourself should start a new thread in Islam for Non Muslims about Sharia and the roles of Hadith and Quran in the process of deciding. 

That way we can ask non specific questions (as I have learned my lesson about giving examples) on how a hadith may override the Quran or vice versa. 

Rami was the only contributor who took my question seriously and tried to explain in terms a Non muslim would understand.  (For that, I thank him).  The rest should have been kicked to another thread.

Sonya,

if you look under your name on the side, you will see the date you joined, your location, status and Posts.

If you look, I have something like 2080+ posts.  You are currently sitting at 41 according to your counter. 

Just four more to go.  LOL

peacemaker wrote: Angel, Thanks for your reply. Okay, what else should be done? As moderators, it is part of our job to ensure that something should be done to "derailed threads." We cannot leave them the way they are.

I think it needs to be clear that there is two points to "derailed threads". One is just in cordially way in natural talking of things and two when things REALLY DO get out of control. It is the first one that is of concern. 

Should we close such threads all the time, we do close such threads sometimes when things go out of control?

yes, I know that  and we are not of the concern of closing threads down in this issue, it is moving a thread/s to other areas where some people cannot get access to and cannot participate anymore where they are in the middle of talks/responding/discussions.

Just a little awhile ago well few months have passed now, i had a go at this issue of moving, when I was in with discussion with Israfil and anybody else that wanted to be in it, but mostly its was between Israfil and me at the time, the topic was in the interfaith forum, it was something that was interfaith for all even thou islam came into it and some moderator moved it and i couldn't respond to replies and the discussion at hand. I think I made a complaint about it.

Please suggest me what should be done that wouldn't be rude and inconsiderate. Peace

Don't move them  or get rid of the 45 post rule which would be better, it just means that you/moderators have to keep a closer eye out for those who are intent in disrupting the boards and are trolls, or just plain jerks who have nothing better to do than beating up the boards.

The 45 post rule came into place because, or for those who are serious, well anybody who wants to cause discourse will do so anyway after the 45 posts, so in a way its a silly thing to have  I have never saw sense in waiting after 45 post or in my case still waiting after some 5000+ posts

Also if people want to know something that was mentioned in some discussion but is not part it, is to make another thread on what they want to know especially if it will lead to a lengthy discussion in itself. I think most of us do that anyway. 

If threads are active its is best to keep them where they are, its not fair on those who cannot get access to areas where they have been moved except current events/world politics since if you move them people still got access.

AS I mentioned before there is nothing wrong in having things organised i like my things organised myself but there are times when things have to stay where they are. If threads became inactive maybe move them then.

so...how goes it

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Angela wrote:  I normally ignore the complaints section.

why? You dont like complaints?