Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaykum

Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us in Holy Qur'an that believers are mercyful to each other, they have compassion for each other and they support each other. All of us know that we are muslims alhamdulillah because we submit to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. We love the good and hate the bad for sake of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and we should love each other for His sake too.

We know this and so many other things mentioned in Holy Qur'an and taught by Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam but following them is another thing.

One of brother has quoted a beautiful saying of Ali radhiAllah anhu that don't judge the haq by worth of people who follow it but know haq and then judge men who follow it as worthy.

I am sure many of you would know the incident when a man was having an arguement with Abubakr radhiAllah anhu and Sayyidina Muhammad sallallhu alayhi wassalam was standing by him. As soon as Abubakr radhiAllah anhu started fight back, Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam walked off. Later on Abubakr did ask the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wassalam as to why he left. And he said when you were quiet an angel was with you but when you started arguing it went and a shaitan replaced it and he dint want to be in company of a shaitan.

I am not saying that walking away every time is a good thing some times when you are thought of as wrong wrongfully or you staying quiet is taken as weakness, you can speak. But there is a way for it and the outcome of haq being high is a good cause to fight.

What are we really fighting for here?

What is the winner going to achieve other than insulting fellow muslims and some knowledgeable people.

What is purpose of a life of a muslim? Pleasing Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala! Do you think this show is going to be pleasing to our Lord?

We need to know the haq first and then see the next step, our haq is in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. First three years of me seeing some sense and alhamdulillah trying to learn and follow our religion, I did nothing but try to understand Holy Qur'an through translations, tafaasir and similar things. You know when i pick an aqida book what i see, everything of it is mentioned of it somewhere is Holy Qur'an. As soon as the author or translator goes away from the main theme and present his views, you realise they are his views. It is upto a person to agree with them or not, you should not just jump up and start accusing the person of all sorts.

I have read works of ibn Taymiyah and also of Nuh ha mim keller, i see the devotion of both of them to search the truth. Majority of time both of them have a very well rounded opinion which is mainstream. Why do we need to pick up a minute point which is their view and doubt their whole life effort? All we need to do is judge it by the haq of Holy Qur'an and Sunnah and not follow it.

No way am i implying that i know all truth and what i know is the only truth, astaghfirullah. All i am asking of you is to see how Holy Qur'an describes a believer, how Sunnah tells us about the behaviour of Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam and how companions used to behave, then judge what is happening here and does your behaviour resemble their ways?

A muslim is the one who wants rest of humanity to come to this submission and we are making fun of our brethern.

If there is another thread started in this stream of hatred with no other purpose but to disrespect some one who has different view than yours, I am going to delete it.

Any other reply in already existing threads which is to insult others and widening the fraction between muslims, I am going to delete it.

I know some people might say too much censorship but i had enough, if you have better idea i am all ears.

Wassalam

Sister Fatima,

Exposing deviant people is part of enjoing good forbiding bad. The brotherhood should be based on truth not lies and deceptions. The prophet pbuh didn't allow khawarij to get away with their deviant path. Equally so, Abubakar squashed people who refused to pay zakat. Blood was shed to defend the true Islam.

Thought Islamic history Islamic scholars clashed deviants and sects outside ahlu sunnah waljamah camp. Read their books and see the free debate and missiles they throw each otherl. Always ahlu sunnah was victorious all the time. Yes, their languages varied depending on personal innovations. They call them halik, hashawi, Khurafi, ruknu min arkanil kadib, lair, don't count or matruk or Hatibu layl etc. People should be precise about the description of innovation or wrongs to give precise judgement.

While preaching Islam you also need to care about the true nature of Islam. So clashing between Islam and sect is part of this religion. Your website calls intra faith dialogue!!!. So please don't defend anyone here if you are bais or feeling guilty for some sect.  If you want to censor people or eliminate like that your friends was saying to me do it without pretex. But don't sugar coat about the sad reality of this IC. Social hyocrites, or Should I say political Khurafist or Liberals, Dahlans, Kowthar,s  real Islam haters are roaming freely here with much respect. They don't hide their face rather their opinion.

Let the people judge the post. If there is exccessive or unecessary language then remind with reason. Otherwise, people will depart from here and go other websites for better information about Islam.

Abu Mujahid 

Sister Fatima,

Sorry your thread was.....well...let me not say but I very much agree with you and I will Inshallah will practice this on and offline. Thank you for the wonderful reminder.

fatima wrote: Bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaykum Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tells us in Holy Qur'an that believers are mercyful to each other, they have compassion for each other and they support each other. All of us know that we are muslims alhamdulillah because we submit to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. We love the good and hate the bad for sake of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and we should love each other for His sake too. We know this and so many other things mentioned in Holy Qur'an and taught by Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam but following them is another thing. One of brother has quoted a beautiful saying of Ali radhiAllah anhu that don't judge the haq by worth of people who follow it but know haq and then judge men who follow it as worthy. I am sure many of you would know the incident when a man was having an arguement with Abubakr radhiAllah anhu and Sayyidina Muhammad sallallhu alayhi wassalam was standing by him. As soon as Abubakr radhiAllah anhu started fight back, Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam walked off. Later on Abubakr did ask the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wassalam as to why he left. And he said when you were quiet an angel was with you but when you started arguing it went and a shaitan replaced it and he dint want to be in company of a shaitan. I am not saying that walking away every time is a good thing some times when you are thought of as wrong wrongfully or you staying quiet is taken as weakness, you can speak. But there is a way for it and the outcome of haq being high is a good cause to fight. What are we really fighting for here? What is the winner going to achieve other than insulting fellow muslims and some knowledgeable people. What is purpose of a life of a muslim? Pleasing Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala! Do you think this show is going to be pleasing to our Lord? We need to know the haq first and then see the next step, our haq is in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. First three years of me seeing some sense and alhamdulillah trying to learn and follow our religion, I did nothing but try to understand Holy Qur'an through translations, tafaasir and similar things. You know when i pick an aqida book what i see, everything of it is mentioned of it somewhere is Holy Qur'an. As soon as the author or translator goes away from the main theme and present his views, you realise they are his views. It is upto a person to agree with them or not, you should not just jump up and start accusing the person of all sorts. I have read works of ibn Taymiyah and also of Nuh ha mim keller, i see the devotion of both of them to search the truth. Majority of time both of them have a very well rounded opinion which is mainstream. Why do we need to pick up a minute point which is their view and doubt their whole life effort? All we need to do is judge it by the haq of Holy Qur'an and Sunnah and not follow it. No way am i implying that i know all truth and what i know is the only truth, astaghfirullah. All i am asking of you is to see how Holy Qur'an describes a believer, how Sunnah tells us about the behaviour of Sayyidina Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wassalam and how companions used to behave, then judge what is happening here and does your behaviour resemble their ways? A muslim is the one who wants rest of humanity to come to this submission and we are making fun of our brethern. If there is another thread started in this stream of hatred with no other purpose but to disrespect some one who has different view than yours, I am going to delete it. Any other reply in already existing threads which is to insult others and widening the fraction between muslims, I am going to delete it. I know some people might say too much censorship but i had enough, if you have better idea i am all ears. Wassalam

Assalam Aleikum.

Although it is noble and correct to promote peace, the issue that is at the fore front is that the wahabi aqiida and theology presents a constant strain on Ahl Assunnah. I personally have witnessed their deliberate tampering with classical texts, even the aplogetics that have been placed on this forum have huge forgeries. So it is not a matter of me, or Sunnis that need to get along with "wahabis", it is a matter that their very existance is founded upon the idea that everyone is wrong, and this error has put them (everyone not them)into disbelief. My beliefs do not declare them kafirs, but their central ideology is morally, theolgically, and intellecutally bankrupt and puts millions of Muslims in the realm of disbelief.

I will stand my ground when a religously ignorant person superimposes deviant beliefs onto 1200 years of scholarship.

I am sorry that this has caused you stress. I will close some of the threads myself in time as our resident wahabi will not be able to continue with the discussion, and I will not allow him to pollute it with insults and jabs.

I have already shown they committed a massacre, which they do not deny, and I have shown that they have been caught tampering with classical texts, which they do not deny.

Wa alaikum asalaam sister Fatima:

I am so sorry that you will be away for a bit but I understand completely. In his last sermon. the Prophet (saw) encouraged his followers to have compassion for one another and to treat one another with compassion, even those of the people of the book.

If anyone here has any doubts about how we should treat one another, I suggest you read the surah in the Quran, No 49, Al-Hurjurat, which has many guidelines on how to treat your brethren. It is imperative that we know how to respect one another in order to obtain jannah.

As for I, if I find any threads where brethren are attacking each other, I will not hesitate to hit the report button and notify the mods, I will even PM them if its really nasty. Insha'Allah we will strive to follow the Guidelines and examples set by Muhammad (swt) and will remain firm in our deen.

I personally am tired of the endless repeating of such themes as "fornicating women in the west" and wish the person or persons who continues this theme in nearly every thread would go to an imam or a qualified scholar and discuss his/her obsession with this subject. I cannot understand how a person can remain on his or her deen while obsessing on such matter. It takes 2 to tango, men cause sin also. Allah Subanallah wa'taaly ordained marriage to prevent this type of obsession, it may be wise to consider it.

Insha'Allah, things will improve. Shukran, Jazak'allah khayran for the moderators of this forum, may Allah subanallah wa taala continue to guide us all to his will.

Wasalaam

Mariyah

Abu Mujahid wrote: Sister Fatima,

You double posted. You have already stated your view, repeating it does not add to it.

Do not double post. You already have been warned about following the guidlines.