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    Posted: 16 January 2015 at 3:18pm
I am pleased today, to see peaceful muslim marches in protest of Charlie Hebdo magazine.  Now that is a way that is acceptable and may have some effect.
It is the peacemakers in history that have been able to enact large scale change in the culture... i.e., Martin Luther King, Jr., Ghandi

In a democracy there are civilized ways to fight back. In free countries we enact campaigns of boycott to affect and correct the culture. Resorting to violence is the result of the teaching of disordered thinking, in my book.



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A great post, Caringheart. This piece of trash should be boycotted and protested against peacefully. Ignoring it is also a good idea.

There will always be a lowest common denominator in every society that seeks such trash out and enjoys it, but I think most people have been ignoring it before these shootings and it will lose its hype when we continue to ignore it.

Murderous shootings and other killings and similar acts shows only that below the intellectual midgets who draw these cartoons, there is even a lower level of losers who not only draw st**id pictures but also go out and murder people.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Caringheart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2015 at 8:31pm
Hi TG,

I posted a very similar reply to you yesterday, on the thread, Je suis Charlie, but it has been delayed, as usual. Ermm
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I could not agree more with your rationalized approach. 
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TG12345 wrote:  There will always be a lowest common denominator in every society that seeks such trash out and enjoys it, but I think most people have been ignoring it before these shootings and it will lose its hype when we continue to ignore it.

Greetings TG.  "One man's meat is another man's poison."  Lowest common denominator in every society?  Political and religious humor has been going on forever.  Would you be in favor of shutting down free expression because it offends your personal sensibilities and convictions?  I think you know where that leads......I see the French cartoons of Muhammad in a different light:  as backlash towards Quranic teaching on war and the killing of infidels that the barbaric murderers take to heart.  The more true peace-loving Muslims publicly denounce, by word and action, the horrific actions of the bloodthirsty jihadists, the more the world will take notice of them, and not the barbaric hordes running amok in various parts of the world.  The question does remain, however, what to do about those troublesome "killing" verses in the Quran...Ouch




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Originally posted by kingskid kingskid wrote:

TG12345 wrote:  There will always be a lowest common denominator in every society that seeks such trash out and enjoys it, but I think most people have been ignoring it before these shootings and it will lose its hype when we continue to ignore it.

Greetings TG.  "One man's meat is another man's poison."  Lowest common denominator in every society?  Political and religious humor has been going on forever.  Would you be in favor of shutting down free expression because it offends your personal sensibilities and convictions?  I think you know where that leads......I see the French cartoons of Muhammad in a different light:  as backlash towards Quranic teaching on war and the killing of infidels that the barbaric murderers take to heart.  The more true peace-loving Muslims publicly denounce, by word and action, the horrific actions of the bloodthirsty jihadists, the more the world will take notice of them, and not the barbaric hordes running amok in various parts of the world.  The question does remain, however, what to do about those troublesome "killing" verses in the Quran...Ouch

Greetings, kingskid.

Are you saying you are in favour of unconditional "free expression"? Really?

Would you be OK with a newspaper publishing cartoons of Jews being portrayed as hook-nosed greedy bankers and black people being portrayed as drug dealing pimps or monkeys? Or Mexicans being cockroaches who cross over the border to steal white people's jobs?

Why or why not?

There are very violent verses in the Quran, as there are very violent verses in the Bible. Read about the genocides being perpetrated by Moses and Joshua if you don't believe me.

That doesn't make either Islam or Christianity or Judaism violent religions. In the Bible, the violence was only for a certain time and place, and in Islam it is only allowed in self-defence.

Many Muslims have denounced the actions of "Muslim" extremists, just as many Christians (myself included) protested when "Christian" president George Bush invaded Iraq, and just as many Jews protest when Israel commits crimes against Palestinians.


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Religion should not be a special case. People should have the right to say disparaging things about religion. Just as those pushing their particular brand of religion should have the right to do so without fear of being silenced. Provided no laws are broken this is what free and open democratic societies are all about. They are two-way streets. The alternative is to live in controlled societies where only those in absolute power dictate what you can and can't say. Like the former Soviet Union or the present day Saudi Arabia. Both one-way streets.
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Hi TG,

I posted a very similar reply to you yesterday, on the thread, Je suis Charlie, but it has been delayed, as usual. Ermm

Greetings, Carinheart.

LOL yeah the posts often are delayed. At least we are allowed to post, though. I have very rarely had anything I wrote not put up, and I appreciate the admin for that.


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