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airmano
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The Quran was also altered as the Sana'a scriptures show.
Even Mohamed in person abrogated = changed the Quran. Does this imply that God changed his mind in between ? If not why not ? Why should God protect one holy book (the Quran) but not another (the Bible) ? Are there different levels of "holyness ? Strange, Airmano Edited by airmano - 26 November 2014 at 1:12pm |
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honeto
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Ron, the Quran and the books contained in the "Bible" like Torah, Psalm, and Gospel are God's books, His revelations, Hadith is not God's revelation rather narrations of the companions of the prophet, word of men and thus of course need to be looked differently. As a Muslim, we are told to believe that those previous revelations were from Allah. We are also told that the Quran is the Final revelation from God and that the previous scriptures were altered. For those of us who have studied both the books know the results well. And it is that outcome that speaks for itself. Hasan |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Ron Webb
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Muslims like to make a great fuss about how well the Quran has been preserved versus the Bible; but from that point of view, the hadith are surely the least reliable of the three sources. Even Muslims acknowledge that they are of varying authenticity, and many of them are outright fabrications. Why would you reject the Bible, but accept the hadith? And regarding the authority of Jesus: don't Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet? Doesn't that make him a "man of authority"? Edited by Ron Webb - 24 November 2014 at 9:33am |
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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kingskid
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Muslim75 and kodoo, as stated earlier, this forum is for interfaith discussion, not intrafaith discussion. Obviously, you two gentlemen must have such a morbid fear and/or hatred of Christianity that you are truly unable to see beyond your own prejudices. Thus, you will be impotent to add to the richness of a discussion about different religions, atheism, humanism, agnosticism, or whatever. If you cannot separate your emotions from an intellectual discussion about such matters without spiraling down into a fear-driven tirade and personal attack on Christians, you risk showing your bigotry and dishonor your own religion. Undoubtedly there are forums where you can spew your vitriol, otherwise, expect to be challenged by Christians. We are not your punching bag, so back off. Peace.
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Muslim75 if you don't want the Bible quoted to you, don't comment to what Christians post. Why are you on an interfaith forum, anyway? Obviously, Muslims quote the Quran and Christians quote the Bible, so you need to grow up and conduct yourself with intelligence and tolerance on this forum.
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Muslim75
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Power of GOD
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If Allah was alive maybe, Allah predates islam long before Muhammad existance.
History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad's tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestible. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad's God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe? It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca. It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" Allah had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God. Such "after the fact corrective revelations" are very common with cults. Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 53 Surah Najm verses 19-23: Have you considered El-Lat and El-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other? What, have you males, and He females? That were indeed an unjust division. They are naught but names yourselves have named, and your fathers; God has sent down no authority touching them.
This was mentioned in the Quran there are records in the hadiths about Allah's daughters
Muhammad's desire had been realised; the Quraysh accepted him. The Muslims who had fled to Abyssinia heard about this and many of them began to return to Mecca. The Quraysh accepted Muhammad because he had, "spoken of (their) gods in splendid fashion" (Ibn Ishaq, p. 166). The Islamic explanation as to why Muhammad accepted the idols is that he desired a way to attract the Quraysh and Satan used this opportunity to put these words on Muhammad's lips: I am not doing this to insult islam or anything I just want to know the truth. |
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