The treatment of women

Because the wording was not in agreement with what I had intended but perhaps I saw it differently. I disagree with your pressumption of knowing and doing. I've recently learned through faculty members that knowing and doing are separate things even though in many instances we tend to think one transitions to the other such as if  I know my ABC's I'll be able to read in which case it is not always true. Even women who get counseling are not always going to break the cycle and what I mean by the comment "sometimes it takes drastic measures" I'm referring to an act where the woman's life is immediate danger and the individual has to be forcibly moved into a different environment for their own safety. Unless you have clinical experience you won't know what I'm talking about.

Remember Angel you wrote two sentence in the post I responded and now you wrote a whole paragraph so maybe you need to be more thourough with your post. It is not to say I don't agree with you I don't agree with your presentation, besides this is off topic.

Ok Angel this is where we disagree slightly getting off topic here......

Women in abusive relationships KNOW they are being abused whether its verbally or physically they know in their minds its abnormal. However research has shown that some women stay in abusive relationships because its a formative pattern from a previous abusive relationship in childhood. In these instances it may not seem abnormal to the person per se since this is an experience they have been through before they know (through various psychological studies) women in abusive relationships are distressed and mentally unstable. That in itself shows they know something is wrong even if its an indirect knowledge.

With regards to men studies have shown that men who abuse have been abused themselves in childhood. Also, if the father or mother is seen as the abuser at home, a child going through these experiences may believe such a behavior maybe acceptable. But all of which are factors dependent upont the individual's environment. So when you say "men need to learn why they abuse women so they can break the cycle" even if you learn something change is quite different than actually learning it. Changing one's own behavior (or views) is the most difficult. The similitude of this is like a man trying to smash concrete with a small hammer. Change can only be made when drastic measures to change are done.

The past is pretty much significant for all of us both males and females. It is what makes up cultures and ethnic groups and the entailing behaviors. I believe I covered this in my last post about being conditioned not only from personal experienced but by culture as well. But Angel you brough up some excellent points concerning the aqspect of how difficult it is for women to break away the cycle of abuse and their attraction of abusive men. ith respect to abuse (because its a topic you brought up) many women choose to stay in abusive relationships for a variety of reasons (some  you mentioned) such as: past parental relationships, their experiences in family whether sexual or physical abuse is present.

It is definitely important that women break the cycle because the continuance of negative behavior will only damage potential good relationships in the future. I can only say recently I was some what a victim of that.

Israfil,

I have to agree with some of your comments. The modern world has changed women to a great extent. The picture you have painted of women using several partners at once is true in many ways. You could say that women have become just as immoral as men throughout the ages. Now I dont know why this is the case. I personally dont like this kind of modern woman. It gives us all a bad name, in the very least it makes it harder for nice girls to find a genuine man. After all, if men have such a poor concept of women, how on earth can women be happy?Trust is obviously lacking in all areas.

Has there been a time in history that you feel women were loyal to their spouse? Is it not possible to have these kind of marriages now? I'm sure there already are many successful marriages.

It is a common trait in man/woman to be deceitful. We are all capable of anything both good or bad. Life requires a huge amount of restraint. Life is hard, there is no doubt about that. But we can find the right person. At the end of the day I think it comes down to luck.