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ovibos
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Posted: 12 December 2017 at 6:36pm |
According to the Documentary Hypothesis, there are at least four different authors of the Pentateuch, that is called J, E, D, and P. E, for instance, doesn't mention about YHWH until Exodus. In other words, according to E, the patriarchs like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob didn't know about YHWH, since they call God as El or Elohim. That explains why Ishmael and Muhammaad didn't know about YHWH. According to the Shapira Manuscript -that some believe is an older version of Deuteronomy- God is mostly called as Elohim Eloheinu, not Yahweh. |
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6wlds2go
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I only read the OP (don't feel like to read 10 pages), and I am sure Allah is not a name. To me it is The God.
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YHWH Allah
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My First Name is YHWH, and My Last Name is Allah. YHWH's unpronounceable, Thus not in Recitation. With that Resolved now, Time to begin Digging. YHWH Allah Edited by YHWH Allah - 23 May 2016 at 11:57am |
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robin
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Exodus 3:14 should read:-
"At this God said to Moses: "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." And he added: "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, �I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.�""-N.W.T.
The God of Moses never called himself "I AM"!
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Israfil
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Can you please stop quoting Wikipedia? It's not even a scholarly source.
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believer
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Why not discuss GOD's name, I find the name interesting.
"Many theologians explain that I am that I am is better translated I be that I be. The ancient Hebrew language does not have a past, present, or future tense. Instead, it has an imperfective aspect and perfective aspect as indicators of time, with no actual determined time."
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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Israfil
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Thank you Servetus for the response....
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Servetus
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�And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. (Exodus 33:23)�
It�s good that I placed it in quotation marks because the King James translates it as �back parts,� not �back side,� though, to me, the difference between these two is insignificant. What does the statement mean? That�s a good question and I don�t know whom to ask. I think that this is clearly one of those scriptures which, because it contains anthropomorphisms, e.g., references to God�s hand, face, back parts, etc., is potentially problematic at best. Please recall, again, that Maimonides, after familiarizing himself with the ahadith and Quran, wherein he found comparatively few anthropomorphic conceptions of God (as has the author of the above table, it seems), evidently found it necessary to both address the issue and to explain to his Jewish co-religionists that such (�Old Testament�) scriptures are to be understood allegorically. Now back to the question. What does the statement mean? A Google search shows that there are people at present discussing whether this verse means what it might, to the vulgar, or at least the literalist and materialist, exactly suggest. I won�t spell it out because, beyond a certain point, I am not interested in approaching blasphemy. On the other hand, and in marked contrast, there are the rather profound explanations that �the Rabbis� give this verse and these can be read, for example, in the Stone Edition of the (artscroll) Tanakh. I, personally, go with these explanations, or insights, for the most part. And the commentators, largely following Maimonides� lead, I would think, tend toward allegory. That said, I do wish, at times, that non-Muslims, such as (I presume) the author of the opening table, would read the Quran as, for lack of a better word, forgivingly, or at least openly, as they do their own books. But it wouldn�t give us as much to talk and argue about in Interfaith. Serv |
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