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    Posted: 05 May 2008 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Yes that is how I believe suicide and the guys flying the planes into the towers used it. 
 
I believe that suicide is the easy way out.  Debating, working for change, peaceful marches, tactics used by Martin Luther King is the true struggle. 
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I guess that comes down to the fact that each one read the verse same as it appears but takes it differently. A good example in your case (in my observence) is this one:
John 20:17 Jesus said according to the Bible, ....I am returning to my Father and your Father, "to my God and your God. "
the verse say Jesus has a God, same God that I and you have. But you interpret it differently? what's the differance between you and them, each interpreting to their own interest and goal?
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Yes that is how I believe suicide and the guys flying the planes into the towers used it. 
 
I believe that suicide is the easy way out.  Debating, working for change, peaceful marches, tactics used by Martin Luther King is the true struggle. 


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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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"strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons:"
 
Striving your utmost is not exactly magic..... 
 
All of those who strive in the cause of Allah, jihad the internal struggle of what is good and righteous will, God Willing, be admitted to paradise.  These verses are for everyone.
 
Committing suicide in Islam is a sin, so blowing yourself up would hardly qualify for martyrdom.  However, defending yourself, your family and community, and your country against those who would harm you, would.
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No, No, No Shasta'saunt-   you said -"Just because we don't believe in a magic get into heaven free card doesn't mean we don't believe in salvation."
 
I showed the verses that have been stated by many is a magic get into heaven free card.
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Yeah, point out a couple of Bible contradictions and out come the "suicide bomber" card.  Interesting.....
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Here are the verses that have prompted suicide bombers, the suposedly receive immediate paradise. 

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YUSUFALI: That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!
PICKTHAL: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.
SHAKIR: You shall believe in Allah and His Messenger, and struggle hard in Allah's way with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!

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YUSUFALI: He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.
PICKTHAL: He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph.
SHAKIR: He will forgive you your faults and cause you to enter into gardens, beneath which rivers flow, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetuity; that is the mighty achievement;

 
How would you possibly know such a thing?  Should we alert Homeland Security?
 
 
 
 
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Here are the verses that have prompted suicide bombers, the suposedly receive immediate paradise. 

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YUSUFALI: That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew!
PICKTHAL: Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.
SHAKIR: You shall believe in Allah and His Messenger, and struggle hard in Allah's way with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!

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YUSUFALI: He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement.
PICKTHAL: He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph.
SHAKIR: He will forgive you your faults and cause you to enter into gardens, beneath which rivers flow, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetuity; that is the mighty achievement;

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"I believe in a God of justice who demands payment for sins."
 
So, who do you believe is paying for the sins of man? If God is a God of justice, wouldn't it be the man who committed the sin?
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