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Posted: 07 July 2008 at 6:38am |
LOL! You are speaking about Pat Robertson and his call for an assasination. That was really weird wasn't it!! So foreign to Christianity.
Luckily we don't have the masses supporting these renegade Christians because we understand that Jesus and the gospel is all about LOVE and reconciliation. Turn the other cheek mentality.
I have forgiven the Muslims, but will never forget the sadness I felt seeing all the Muslims cheering in the streets when the twin tower fell.
We have slowly overcome race prejudice, I think this generation is one of the least prejudiced- now we must overcome religious prejudice.
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 06 July 2008 at 2:49pm |
"And why do you think that perception exists?"
I would guess for the same reason that Native Americans were demonized by the settlers, that black slaves brought here against their will were demonized by whites, that Jews were demonized. that all orientals were demonized by by the West, that the evil communists wanted to destroy the American way of life, and that now Latinos and Muslims are demonized/hated. We just aren't happy unless we have a bad guy to hate and the best way to make that happen is to make them as evil and threatening as possible.
An interesting aside: The Germans were just as much our enemy as the Japanese in World War II, yet how quickly they were forgiven by the general populace. I personally think it's because of the caucasian factor. It's easier to hate someone who looks different and foreign.
"Are there any Christian ministers supporting the Christian terrorists? How about Christian schools that support terrorists?"
I remember seeing a post on another Forum that had a link to a video on Youtube that supposedly showed Muslims holding a parade with banners that called for destruction of America. The speakers were supposedly calling for death to Americans, etc.... I watched the video and it was no such thing. It was a celebration of Eid the end of Ramadan. But, there were literally thousnads of posts calling for death to the Muslims by people who had no clue what was actually being said, just believed what they were told or more truthfully what they wanted to believe.
Unless you yourself speak Arabic and actually get to hear what is being spoken on any tape that you see that is not being drowned out by a voice over, you really don't know what is being said. I have NEVER heard any Imam calling for the death of Americans in a mosque, nor any teachers teaching this in an Islamic school. There may be disreputable people who do so, but I have never heard this.
As far as Christian preachers supporting acts of terrorism, it would depend. There are preachers in the Army of God, The Lamb of Christ and others that do so, so yes. I am sure you will immediately claim that these are not true Christians, sounds SO familiar to me. There are also Christian spiritual leaders who call for assassinations and complete death and destruction to Islam and Muslims. It happens all of the time by some very mainstream Christians.
If all Muslim Imams were doing the same we would be seeing their faces plastered all over the news as they were being hauled away to Gitmo.
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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 05 July 2008 at 9:46pm |
 Shasta'sAunt wrote:
And yet Arab groups who have nonreligious monikers and claim nothing but a political agenda are still branded Islamic terrorists: Black September, Hamas, even the PLO have been accused of targeting Israelis because they are Jews, not because they are a brutal occupying force. |
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Prejudice against Islamic extremists is bound to spill over and taint Muslims generally. Which is why we need an alternate word for those who pervert Islam into a terrorist religion. (By the way, "HAMAS" is an acronym of a Arabic phrase which is usually translated as as "Islamic Resistance Movement".)
| So I would put forth that the Islamic connection has more to do with perception in the west than any claim these groups may or may not make. |
And why do you think that perception exists?
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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believer
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Posted: 05 July 2008 at 5:29pm |
Are any of the murders and rapes race related?
If SA is Christian why are the Christian radio stations being forced to closed?
Are there any Christian ministers supporting the Christian terrorists? How about Christian schools that support terrorists?
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 05 July 2008 at 1:41pm |
"I think you are saying that A causes B. I am saying that B causes C. I think we all agree that C causes D."
And yet Arab groups who have nonreligious monikers and claim nothing but a political agenda are still branded Islamic terrorists: Black September, Hamas, even the PLO have been accused of targeting Israelis because they are Jews, not because they are a brutal occupying force.
So I would put forth that the Islamic connection has more to do with perception in the west than any claim these groups may or may not make.
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�No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.�
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mariyah
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Posted: 05 July 2008 at 12:37pm |
believer wrote:
Is the problem the fact that some of the verses of the Quran and words of Mohammad can be twisted to allow the Islamists to be violent in the name of Allah? Some take the verses literally? |
Just as and as the words of the bible are twisted and made to serve extremists in the Christian sector. It is the mentality that allows zionists to declare, "this land is mine, god gave this land to me" and bulldoze the homes of palestinian innocents.
Seems it is not just limited to followers and deviations of Islam.
But in the end on the Last Day, we will all stand before the Same God, Allah, YHWH, the anglocized Jehovah, However the compassionate and mighty God of Abraham Ishmael and Isaac and answer for our deeds. male and female, black and white, old and young and all in between. All have traveled different paths, and all will come to the same day.
Edited by mariyah - 05 July 2008 at 12:43pm
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 05 July 2008 at 8:37am |
believer wrote:
Is the problem the fact that some of the verses of the Quran and words of Mohammad can be twisted to allow the Islamists to be violent in the name of Allah? Some take the verses literally? |
Maybe so, but that is a separate problem from what I am suggesting. Let me break the argument into four propositions:
A. There are many passages in the Quran that can be twisted to allow (or even command) violence.
B. There are many Muslims who commit violence in the name of Islam.
C. There are many media reports of violence committed in the name of Islam.
D. There are many non-Muslims who associate violence with Islam.
I think you are saying that A causes B. I am saying that B causes C. I think we all agree that C causes D.
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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believer
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Posted: 04 July 2008 at 6:29am |
Is the problem the fact that some of the verses of the Quran and words of Mohammad can be twisted to allow the Islamists to be violent in the name of Allah? Some take the verses literally?
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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