Love as evil

 

 

 Go thru page 6 too.

 

You haven't 'prove'd anything either Ancestor. If this person 'revered' Mary as Creator - then I'd agree with you that the Qu'ran would be said to be correct.

 

She admits she is a 'polytheist' - therefore is not a 'christian women'. 

 

A true Catholic does not, and can not 'worship' Mary as Creator. It's forbidden in the commandments. If I said you were all hate filled mad terrorists - you'd accuse me of making blanket statements about Muslims. That Islam is a 'religion of peace.'  When there are plenty of those so called hadith I can pull out to dirty that claim well and good. Enough to make others less informed believe that Islam is anything but.  We must all make the effort to dig deeper to know what people truly believe.

 

I don't really know what I believe Ancestor. But just because your good self, or the gool ol' Hasan ( ;-) ) - or someone else here, with your own private interpretation of the Qu'ran, or by talking to 'christian' people, or observing them practice their religion in a way that is really not true to what their church teaches, claim something to be 'true' - does not make it so. You CAN NOT PROVE it, not to me anyway. We're all expert in one thing - speculation.

 

It's very clear to me that your making statements about Catholics, and other Christians without knowing the reality of what these people are 'supposed' to actually believe. Not all Christians revere Mary the way Catholics, or even some Muslims seem to do. Many Christians see the reverence given to  Mary as 'goddess' and 'idol worship' too, and I have no doubts there are cases where this is true. But it is not the 'true' teaching of Catholicism.  They claim that her supposed 'apparitions too,  IF they were true, are satan manifesting as 'an angel of light' to lead the masses astray. Like the one in Zeitoun in Egypt in the 60s - seen by Christian, Coptic, Musim, atheist, agnostic and others. It is also claimed by some too, that the angel 'Jibril' that appeared to Muhammad in a cave, giving him a 'false' gospel, was satan manifesting as that 'angel of light' predicted in the Christain scriptures.  How do I know that is not true ? It sure sounds true, when you consider that Muhammad completely undermines what Christ's role seems to have been understood to be for centuries prior to, and post Muhammad, by millions/billions of people around the world.

 

We all have to dig deeper and not 'judge by appearances'. God alone sees and knows the heart. We have to dig a lot deeper too into the possible meaings and interpretations of the Qu'ran and the Bible, I think. I just think and speculate and talk a load of twaddle ;-) mind you (so take all with a good pinch of salt :-) ) I don't claim to know what others believe in their hearts, or not. IF this  scripture  truly is the Word of God - then how can finite creatures like us, with all our fantastic intellects ever hope to fully contemplate that very God's Word - a Word that calls forth life itself, and fully 'understand' it. Isn't that supposed to be what 'heaven' is - eternal 'beautitude' - the 'vision of God' - the endless contemplation of who and what God is, beginning in this life/world - through ONE of the world/s :-) that God has created ?

 

Allah/God is Lord of the Worlds. We have to think in terms of 'worldS' at the very least. Infinite possibilites - if we indeed have an 'immortal' or 'eternal' destiny.

 

What I see in too much 'organised' 'religion' is akin to the Borg concept of Assimilation.

Assimilation was the process by which the Borg added new members and new technology to the Collective.

"Borg assimilation was predatory; every species the Borg encountered was assessed to determine whether its biological and technological distinctiveness was considered 'worthy of being added to the Collective's perfection'. If found to be so, the species was set upon and forcibly assimilated; the Collective considered the species' will in the matter 'irrelevant'. "

lol :-)  

 

It's true to a large degree though. The Catholic Church wanted to have european style catholic clones all over the world. And it SEEMS that Islam would have us all clones of Muhammad too. I am not saying that is the reality. It's how it can very easily appear. We all gotta dig deeper.

 

 

Only thoughts folks. Some days I wonder why I'd want anything to do with 'religion' again. It really can screw people up and destroy lives. But I'll keep searching. We should all get together for a real talk some time :-)

Anyway - that's my tuppence worth.

God bless :-)