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    Posted: 04 November 2008 at 1:13am
Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Aramaic New Testament:
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So what?

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If one should shun and avoid friendships with those outside his religion, then this in itself runs contrary to:

1) The Will of God -- Treat your neighbor as you would be treated; Love thy neighbor (and even your enemy) as thyself.   Here, God teaches that Justice first is found in the kind and gentle heart.

2) Conversions -- No matter what one's religion, it is entirely impossible to acquire new converts, build a religion, extract revenues from the faithful, or do anything as an organized church in the world....without making friends!  The whole anti-social thing just doesn't cut it.  Christianity, Islam, and Judiasm have grown wildly and, therefore, one could conclude that they did not do so among anti-social streaks.  They did take unbelievers as friends at some point.  In the end, it is only among friendship, love, and good, open heart that true and lasting conversions are ever secured by any religion.  That is always the spark and the seed planted.

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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Aramaic New Testament:
 
 
 
Jesus and people of his day spoke Greek:
 
 
 
 
Jesus spoke Aramaic. 

History aside, how do we know from the Scriptures that Christ spoke Aramaic?  Simple.  In several places He is quoted speaking Aramaic.  In St. Matthew�s and St. Mark�s Gospels, some of Christ�s words are rendered in the language the people spoke.  �Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?� (Mt 27:46, Mk 15:34), �Talitha cuom�  (Mk 8:41), and �Ephphatha� (Mk 7:34) are all Aramaic phrases.  Even the word �Abba� which Christ uses often to refer to the Father is the Aramaic word roughly translated as �Daddy.�  Incidentally, the Arabic word �Abu� has the same meaning� so �Abu Sulieman� means �Father of Solomon.�

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Aramaic New Testament:
 
 
 
Jesus and people of his day spoke Greek:
 
 
 


Edited by believer - 01 November 2008 at 6:31am
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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"But how close is modern Arabic to the language of the Quran?"
 
This is the Arabic still spoken in the Gulf regions of Arabia: Saudi, Kuwait, etc... Also known as formal Arabic. The Arabic spoken in other countries is basically the same, just has local slang mixed in, but all Arabs understand and usually speak and read formal Arabic.
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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

The bottom line, as it relates to the topic, is that Muslims are not allowed to compromise their faith at any cost. With that said, they are also expected and encouraged to establish healthy and friendly relations with fellow human beings, neighbors, relatives, family members, including Muslims and non-Muslims.


You just made my heart happy with that, peacemaker.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote honeto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2008 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

The Old and New Testament are available in their original language and just about every language spoken in the world.
 
OT can be said to exist in its original language, but still remember it has been altered as we have proof of such through its inconsistancies. But NT does not exists in its original form, Jesus's mother tongue was Aramiac. There is no evidence that there is a gospel by Jesus in Aramiac from Jesus' time.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

The language of the Qur'an is unique in many respects; therefore, the entire translation in any other language can never be exactly what Qur'an actually conveys. This aspect reinforces the notion that learning the language of the Qur'an helps a lot to develop its proper understanding. It is undoubtedly the words of Allah, the Creator and Sustainer of the entire universe. May Allah help and guide us to respect it and understand it the right way.
But how close is modern Arabic to the language of the Quran?  If Jamal Morelli is accurate in his (modern) translation of "wali", I have to wonder if learning modern Arabic is helpful in understanding Quranic Arabic, or if it might instead lead to misinterpretation.
Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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