Muslim women badly treated.

Sandra, I was wondering if you can kindly answer me some questions for me, please. Trust me, on this account if you simply ignore the questions on the issue, I will know you simple do not what to learn. The questions are not hard.

Have you read my post on page 3 and read the interviews with Queen Rania of Jordon ? If so what is your thoughts on the interviews on the topic 

You mentioned this: "its a fact the religion kills people all the time"

And so I ask: really, all the time ?

Your answer would be......

And if you have read the qu'ran twice, then you must know whether its states/mentions honor killings, so does it ?

And finally you never did comment on my last post, so maybe you can now. And also please answer my questions there also, thank you

sandra wrote: Angel wrote: sandra wrote: Religion means nothing to me, all it means is hatred. fine but it does't exactly change the fact... Quote: I am only stating the facts on Islamic women that are being treated in horrific manners, and most will tell me this is not Islamic, but they are saying they are Islamic, why people dont listen to this? because they dont want to know the truth. Are you talking to us here specifically or in general? If it us here, WE ARE LISTENING! And actually you are not stating facts, you are stating that honor killings, mostly in Jordon is Islamic for the fact you have read a few others experiences, horrible ones at that. And this you take on the whole as being for all muslim women. Still being in Jordon, I believe there are families that don't go through honor killings as well, what do you say about those? As I mentioned before you are so adement that honour killings is islamic, Why? And if you have read the qu'ran twice, then you must know whether its states/mentions honor killings, so does it ?  Why don't you listen to us, open a little and think for a bit. And what is your thoughts on Queen Rania's interviews on the topic ?   Hope you will answer as I am asking sincerely. I am so adement that honour killings are going on in most Islamic countires because i have the facts that it is happening,

So you saying that because it is happening in most islamic countries, then it must be islamic ?

Might I say and I mentioned this earlier, just because something happens in an islamic country does not make it islamic!

Heck we have Dubai with its casinos and horseracing, gambling is against islam but yet we have it here in Dubai, so is gambling islamic then because it is in an islamic country ?

We have belly-dancing happening over most islamic countries (its abrab tradition) but baring skin is forbidden and so is that type of dancing in islam, so again is belly dancing islamic because it is in an islamic country ?

 

Sandra, I am non muslim, live in the same country as you, I have been with the boards for nearly 4 years, learned and engaged with the people here both non muslim and of course muslims  I know islam alot and while I do not agree with alot of it and don't believe in the qu'ran myself, I do know a thing or two and know when to separate certain things and I simple say you are incorrect, granted I haven't experienced the things you have nor do I underestimate your knowledge, but we are on page 13  and not once have you let up and taken the fact that maybe we here are correct and have a point, you have not given it a thought and nor looked into more, you just keep balantly to your convictions and telling us that we are blinded and do not understand or understand islam especially to those who live it, who are you to know islam better than anyone else? 

And for you to say that you are goign to all these other places and place there what is said here, is just plain, stupid! that does show your ignorance unfortunately.

Once again, what happens in an islamic country does not make it islamic even if its legal in the country, belly dancing, gambling and etc are legal in islamic countries, but they are not legal in islam!

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clara,to your qustion,no i had no religion before,i was in a world of my own i wont go into details as i dont like to remember it,anyway i got to know someone who taught me about islam,hes now my husabnd who i love very much,i believe that allah guided him to me,i will always love allah for taking away my blindfold and bringing me to islam,and giving me a great husband and beautiful children.what are your real thoughts on islam? 

None of you would ever know how much I am learning from this forum. How much I owe to the wisdom, the spirit and the knowledge of my friends here.

How would I ever find the words to thank you for really making me feel as a part of a whole universe?

And, how would I ever thank Him for His kindness of granting me these few moments to know you?

Do I still need to spell out how I loved being in this string.

Let's make peace with Sandra and let her feel the truth and measure the reality. We could save her from the mere spin.

Sandra I am an Australian and I know just as you know that you are pulling punches here.

Sandra your allegations against Muslims based on few experiences with some Muslim women are exasperating. Your posts seem to indicate that you are the saviour of Muslim women and it is Islam that is driving men to treat their women in the manner that they are alleged to being treated (badly or whatever). But first of all the book on which you started this topic is a hoax and Norma Khouri is a fake. Here is some info about Norma Khouri whose main intention is to discredit Islam.

Khouri - the troubled life of a fake

Norma Khouri was a fugitive not from Jordan but from a life of shady deals and tempestuous family relations, report Malcolm Knox and Caroline Overington.

In September last year, Norma Khouri wrote a long letter to Amal al-Sabbagh, the Jordanian women's rights activist who was questioning the authenticity of Khouri's book, Forbidden Love, about the so-called honour killing of Khouri's best friend Dalia.

Khouri wrote: "On a personal note, I hope and pray that no woman that you care for and love is ever taken from you in this way, but I do believe that you cannot truly understand my motivation unless you find yourself in my shoes, and I am truly offended by your request to label Forbidden Love as fiction."

At another point she wrote: "Bring Dalia back to life and then I will agree to call this story fiction. Forbidden Love is a memoir. It is my memoir, documenting my life and my memories and feelings and experiences. I do not believe that I am in any way misleading anyone."

We now know that Khouri misled everyone who read and believed her book, which was published in the US under the title Honor Lost. Dalia did not exist, because Khouri was not in Jordan when the events of the book - covering Khouri's childhood and young adulthood - took place. Forbidden Love is a fiction written by a woman who lived in Chicago from the age of three, and who left that city in 1999, when the FBI wanted her for questioning over a series of possibly criminal property transactions.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080433708.h tml

There is a lot of information available about this fake on the web. Sandra you also rely on very dubious sources of information mostly from (non-Muslim sources) some of whom are working mainly towards demonising Islam. For example that Silas website you refer to is a christian who claims converting many Muslims to Christianity. Their method of operating is to get hold of some weak or ignorant Muslims and exploit them, demonise Islam. We all know that there are many Quran translations by Christians and Jews. Those who are bent on demonising Islam get hold of these translations and use it for their evil purposes. In fact I have heard of a Christian church who conducts seminars on Islam in Australia and this church has been asked by the courts to apologise to the Muslims for some of their statements.

Mary

 

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