Ali Vs The Prophet

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 Asalam Aalaikum,

Majority of the Shias donot believe that Ali(Ra) is equal to Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)in rank, if this narrative mentions such thing ,then that hadith should be put to test.

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unity1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Location: Pakistan Status: Offline Points: 116	Post Options Post Reply Quote unity1 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Ali Vs The Prophet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 11:09am
	Asalam Aalaikum, Majority of the Shias donot believe that Ali(Ra) is equal to Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)in rank, if this narrative mentions such thing ,then that hadith should be put to test.
	who call themselves superior are actually inferior in the eyes of Allah.Those who call themselves slaves of Allah are superior not only in the eyes of Allah but also superior in the eyes of man.

AhmadJoyia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647	Post Options Post Reply Quote AhmadJoyia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 July 2005 at 8:38am
	So you mean, bro Rami, that bro Mi4real doesn't believe as what the Sheikh Saduk says about. Hmm!! So why is he raising such a point without qualifying his own stance and yet he is responding to me as in negation? This is really strange. Anyway, thanks for your clarification. I appreciate your concern.

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 July 2005 at 5:36am
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem this is funny, your both sunni
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Mi4real Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mi4real Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 July 2005 at 6:03pm
	As Salam Alukum It doesn't matter if Ali brought anything new to the religion or not, for years Shia's have denied that they believe that Ali (RA) is the same rank as the Prophet (SAW) even though we have numerous hadiths presented in Bihar Al-Anwar and other works of hadith to prove otherwise. My statements clearly prove that Sheikh Saduk one of the most eminent Shia Scholars believed this...he also had other dangerous beliefs which I will not get into, Secondly according to your Shia books of Rijal this hadith is ranked as "Hasan". Rijaal an-Najashi, Abul-Abbas Ahmad bin Ali an-Najashi Naqd ar-Rijaal: Sayyid Mustafa at-Tafrushi Qamoos ar-Rijaal: Allamah at-Tusturi

AhmadJoyia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647	Post Options Post Reply Quote AhmadJoyia Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 July 2005 at 11:04am
	Did hazrat Ali bring anything new from Allah? If no, then how you compare the two as equal? and if yes, then what was the anew? Also, your quote "My father related to us from Abdullah bin al-Hussein al-Mueddib from Ahmed bin Ali al-Isfahani from Mohammed bin Aslam at-Tusi from Abu Rajaa from Hemmad bin Zaid from Abdirrahman as-Sarraj from Nafii that Ibn Omar said.........." do not provide the reference to the source of this chain of narrators. On the more, the last narrator (Nafii) did not link his source of this narration with ibn Omar. It just says that Ibn Omar said, but to whom? no one knows. Beside other weaknesses, this kind of narration seems to be just a snap shot of complete event, which has been specifically cut out of the whole picture to suit ones motive. Brother this is not a scholarly way of referring the evidence. Kindly provide the whole event, if you know of it.

Mi4real Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Starter Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mi4real Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 July 2005 at 8:09am
	As Salam Alukum We all the Holy Prophet is best of creation but we have testimony from the Classical Shia Scholar Sheikh Saduk that Ali is equal in rank the Prophet. Lets remember Shaikh Saduq who is ibn Babwayh Al Qummi, the teacher of Shaikh Al Mufid who is in turn the teacher of Sayyid Al Murtada i believe. ( 1 ) ( �� ( �� ) �� ( �� ) �� : �� ȡ �� : �� ϡ �� ڡ �� : �� : �� ? �� . �� ѡ �� . My father related to us from Abdullah bin al-Hussein al-Mueddib from Ahmed bin Ali al-Isfahani from Mohammed bin Aslam at-Tusi from Abu Rajaa from Hemmad bin Zaid from Abdirrahman as-Sarraj from Nafii that Ibn Omar said: When we asked him about Ali bin Abi Talib, the Prophet (s) was angry and said: Why do some people mention that one whose rank in the sight of Allah is as same as mine? He who loves Ali loves me, and Allah will accept him who loves me, and whomever Allah accepts will be rewarded with Paradise. Whoever loves Ali will not depart this world before he drinks from the Divine River of Kawthar, eats from the Divine Tree of Tuba, and sees his place in Paradise. (Fadhailus Shia by Shaikh Saduq)