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 Topic: Was muhammad's family pagans or muslims?.Posted: 27 May 2009 at 6:06pm |
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Truly, those who don't believe that they will be raised up again and questioned for their words, intentions and actions will carve up anything in order to decieve others, so they think. In fact they only decieve themselves but percieve it not. For a little profit they trade their loss.
Arrogance and decepetion don't gain anything. For the one who sarted the topic, are ashamed to write your identity and name for what you are doing?
For your information, Adam, Lot , Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David and many of God's prophets (pbut) all came hundreds or even thousands of years before the last prophet, yet they were Muslims, submitted to their Creator, God Almighty. You lack the basic understanding of what it means to submitt to the will of God, One God. May God guide you to the right for your own good.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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"The Prophet" is just another conspiracy theory by grand nut-job Jack Chick. As with most conspiracy theories, certain claims are made but are not proven by any evidence. For instance, we are told that Khadijah was a faithful follower of the Pope and had actually lived in a convent! Where is the evidence for this?
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Well bro owen.grandison, first of all, we love to call our self Muslims (submitters to God's commands) and not mohammands as you have been addressing here. There is no similarity here of Chritian from Christ.
Secondly, Mohammad came to bring back the pagans of Arabs to their ancestral religion of Ishmael i.e. Islam. So, it is not surprising that you may construe similarities, but nothing more than that.
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Anti-Muslim tabloids:)
Instead of replying to me, you just gave a really nice story. I can quote you and reply but I won't bother. I'll just ask you If Quran was copied from the Bible, why didn't prophet Muhammad also copy all the unfulfilled prophecies, scientific errors, those verses which say prophets commited adultery etc? Following has been copied from http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
QUR�AN PLAGIARIZED FROM THE BIBLE :
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Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qur�an from the Bible? Answer Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qur�an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations. 1. MUHUMMAD LEARNT THE QUR�AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qur�an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur�an was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the Qur�an says in Surah An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103: "We know indeed that they say, �It is a man that teaches him,� The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur�an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur�an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare. 2. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THE RELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA) Muhummad�s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet�s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet�s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur�an.
3. PROPHET�S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur�an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.
4. THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR�AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA All historical records available show that Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood:
It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur�an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips. 5. LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET DID NOT LEARN THE QUR�AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the Qur�an. 6. MUHUMMAD (PBUH) WAS AN ILLITERATE The theory that Muhummad (pbuh) authored the Qur�an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate. Allah testifies Himself in the Qur�an "And thou was not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted." Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the Qur�an and would ascribe it to Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). Therefore Allah in His Divine Wisdom chose the last and final Messenger to be an �Ummi�, i.e. unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the Prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the Qur�an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic. Allah reconfirms in the Qur�an in Surah Al A�raf chapter 7 verse 157: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) in the Law and the Gospel" The prophecy of coming of the unlettered Prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12. "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned." The Qur�an testifies in no less than four different places that the Prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in Surah A�raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in Surah Al-Jumu�a chapter 62 verse 2. 7. ARABIC VERSION OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT PRESENT The Arabic version of the Bible was not present at the time of Prophet Muhummad (pbuh). The earliest Arabic version of the Old Testament is that of R. Saadias Gaon of 900 C.E. - more than 250 years after the death of our beloved Prophet. The oldest Arabic version of the new Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 C.E. - about a thousand years after the demise of our Prophet. 8. SIMILARITIES IN THE QUR�AN AND THE BIBLE DUE TO COMMON SOURCE Similarities between the Qur�an and the Bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source - the one universal God. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these Judeo-Christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions. It is true that there are some similar parallels between the Qur�an and the Bible but this is not sufficient to accuse Muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the Bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of Christianity and Judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that Jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine Prophet (God forbid) and that he simply copied from the Old Testament. The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true God and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets. If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or Mr. XYZ. Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The Qur�an also mentions the various revelations given by Almighty God to different prophets. 9. MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE TAURAH, ZABOOR, INJEEL AND QUR�AN Four revelations of Allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the Qur�an: the Taurah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur�an. Taurah, the revelation i.e. the Wahi given to Moosa (a. s.) i.e. Moses (pbuh). It is an article of faith for every Muslim to believe in all the Prophets of God and all revelations of God. However, the present day Bible has the first five books of the Old Testament attributed to Moses and the Psalms attributed to David. Moreover the New Testament or the four Gospels of the New Testament are not the Taurah, the Zaboor or the Injeel, which the Qur�an refers to. These books of the present day Bible may partly contain the word of God but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets. The Qur�an presents all the different prophets of Allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: Almighty God, Allah. This is why the Qur�an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The Qur�an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of Moses, Jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people. Another name for the Qur�an is the �The Furqan� which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the Qur�an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of God. 10. SCIENTIFIC COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR�AN AND BIBLE If you glance through the Bible and the Qur�an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of �chalk and cheese� between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
11. ADAM (PBUH), THE FIRST MAN ON EARTH, LIVED 5,800 YEARS AGO
As per the genealogy of Jesus Christ given in the Bible, from Jesus through Abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), Adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
These figures are further confused by the fact that the Jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old. There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the Bible. 12. NOAH (PBUH) AND THE FLOOD The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C. This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the Qur�anic presentation of the story of Noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the Qur�an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the Qur�an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the Qur�an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of Noah. It is illogical to assume that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Qur�an. 13. MOSES (PBUH) AND PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS The story of Moses (pbuh) and the Pharaoh of the Exodus are very much identical in the Qur�an and the Bible. Both scriptures agree that the Pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue Moses (pbuh) and led the Israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The Qur�an gives an additional piece of information in Surah Yunus chapter 10 verse 92: "This day shall We save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" Dr. Maurice Bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although Rameses II was known to have persecuted the Israelites as per the Bible, he actually died while Moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in Median. Rameses II�s son Merneptah who succeeded him as Pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of Merneptah was found in the valley of Kings in Egypt. In 1975, Dr. Maurice Bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the Mummy of Merneptah, the findings of which proved that Merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the Qur�anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the Pharaohs� body being kept at the Royal Mummies room in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. This verse of the Qur�an compelled Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who was a Christian then, to study the Qur�an. He later wrote a book �The Bible, the Qur�an and Science�, and confessed that the author of the Qur�an can be no one else besides God Himself. Thus he embraced Islam. 14. QUR�AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur�an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur�an is the Furqaan - �the Criteria� to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God. The Qur�an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3 Alif Laam Meem. (This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt � from the Lord of the Worlds. Or do they say, �He has forged it�? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance." |
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it's a funny story.
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Salam/Peace,
Semar "We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) "1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air" |
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The vatican formulated islam
Most of you do not know! However, the higher authority religious people do know and want to keep it a secret! According to the prophet alberto part six, the crusaders, vol. 17, the vatican desperately wanted jerusalem because of its religious significance, but it was blocked by jews. A number of arabs had become roman catholic, and could be used in reporting information to their leaders in rome. Others used a fifth colum (an underground spy network) to carry out rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of arabs who had completely rejected roman catholicism. Somehow the vatican had to creat a weapon to eliminate both the jews and arabs who refused to accept roman catholicism. When st. augustine appeared on the scene he knew what was going on. Augustine was very powerful and influential man with his own small army of followers. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy bible manuscripts owned by other christians. The vatican wanted to create a messiah for the arabs someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma who they could train and eventually unite all the non-catholic arabs behind him [watered down christians - muhammadans or muslims!] creating a might army that would ultimately capture jerusalem for the pope. The saga can be continued on in the prophet alberto part six, the crusaders, vol. 17, on page 19, and it states: "In the vatican briefing, cardinal bea told us this story. A wealthy arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope, played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named khadijah. her job was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of ishmael. She soon found young muhammad and they were married. She had given her wealth to "mother church" and retired to a convent. While there she was given a strange assignment and sent back into this world. Khadijah had a cousin named waraquah who like herself was a very faithful roman catholic. He had tremendous influence on muhammad. The vatican had him placed in the critical spot as muhammad's advisor. Rome had found their man and money was no object. Teachers were sent to young muhammad and he underwent intensive training. Muhammaded devoured the works of "saint augustine" under waraquah's teaching and became a devotee of his works. This was preparing him for his great calling." On page 20, it continues: "under orders from the vatican roman catholic arabs across north africa began spreading the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their god." When muhammad began receiving his "divine" revelations in a cave in mt. hira not far from the outskirts of mecca... waraquah (the roman catholic cousin of muhammad's wife) became deeply involved interpreting the visions given to muhammad. And eventually out of all this came forth the "holy" book of islam called the "koran", which contains much of muhammd's writings. Interestingly from an early stage muslims received protection from catholic kings because of muhammad's revelation concerning the virgin mary. But there still remain unpublished works of muhammad... and they are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (ayatollahs) in the islam faith. When cardinal bea shared this with us in the vatican, he said ... these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the vatican to the creation of islam. Both sides have so much information on each other that if exposed it would create such a scandal it would cause a major disaster for both religions. By the time muhammad died the religion of islam was exploding. The nomadic arab tribes were joining forces in the name of allah and his prophet muhammad. In your holy book the koran jesus is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was his representative on earth then he also must be a prophet of god which cuased the followers of muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man". The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of north africa. The vatican helped to finance the building of these massive islam armies in exchange for three special favours: 1. Eliminate the jews, which they called infidels. 2. Protect augustinian monks and the roman catholics 3.Conquer jerusalem for "his holiness" in the vatican Then on page 22-23 it tells how thet muslim armies never ever attacked not a single catholic or catholic shrine during their conquest. However the arabs became cocky and turned their backs on the pope, and they decided to conquer europe and the pope was furious, because he considered himself the only one who should have temporal power and control of the world! So he raised armies up to hold them back which became the crusades! This excerpt right here makes it very obvious that islam is catholicism's terrorist baby! |
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Salam owen.gradison Your statements in bold According to "Glimpses of islamic history," by irfan faqih he said this: So you say that Saddam Hussain etc are bad because the pagans of Saudi Arabia 1500 years ago were bad. A weird assessment. And since Saddam Hussain=bad hence Islam=bad. I don't really want to spend all my time debating with you. I'll just say that if Hitler, Stalin were bad, then can I also blame Christianity? I can name many other Christian dictators and murderers. Since islam has spreaded its religion with the sword! Here is a reply copied from http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.
Islam comes from the root word �salaam�, which means peace. It also means submitting one�s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one�s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.
The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O�Leary in the book "Islam at the cross road" (Page 8): "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated."
Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, "Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?"
Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, "Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?" The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book "Heroes and Hero worship", refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: "The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man�s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can."
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur�an says in the following verse: "Let there be no compulsion in religion:
It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur�an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
An article in Reader�s Digest �Almanac�, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in �The Plain Truth� magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?
Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?
Dr. Joseph Adam Pearson rightly says, "People who worry that nuclear weaponry will one day fall in the hands of the Arabs, fail to realize that the Islamic bomb has been dropped already, it fell the day MUHAMMED (pbuh) was born". Women in the islamic world still don't have any rights, and they are worse off than women in the so-called period of ignorance! Khadiyjah, muhammad's first wife was living during the jaahiliyah period and owned businesses! If there was 1 wealthy woman in Makkah, that does not mean that the condition of women were great. Here are links of women's rights http://www.themuslimwoman.com/herrights/womensrights.htm http://www.womeninislam.ws/en/women-right-islam.aspx Look at hind bint utbah, she was a warrior in battle! Hind was taken by the pagans in the battle of Uhad not to fight but to intice men and encourage them to fight. Now I can say for sure that you seriously lack knowledge regarding Islam. Even mr. faqih admitted that both polygamy and polyandry was popular! That means women and men both had several husbands and wives, not just polygymy which hugely benefits men today as in the islamic world! For polygamy reply check out http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm Muslim women will get burned, beaten and hurt if they refuse to be none other than a house wife! you sure allege a lot without any proof. As for killing the girl infants, that was just a small fraction of arabs who hade done that! It wasn't prevalent as the qur'aan 81:8-9 and muhammadans try to imply! Where do you get your info?antiMuslim tabloids? And what is a muhammadan? Even today there are huge on-going celebrations for boys compared to the downgrading attitude shown towards the girls when they are born. There are many people I know who have daughters and were very happy on their birth. And if some people are not happy with daughters, they are going against Islam. As for slavery, it is still widely practied in the islamic world and most of the slaves are still treated in a sub-human manner! So nothing has changed for the better it just got worse! He concludes by saying this about islam and the pagan arabs on page 10, and i quote:
Al-Qur'an, 002.135 (Al-Baqara [The Cow]) Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910 We are told here that we should follow Abraham PBUH. That does not mean that we should do those activities which the pagans considered to be of Abraham. You see, their concept of Abraham was not authentic. This verse says that we should follow Abraham as told by the Quran. And the religion of Abraham, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad was Islam.
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Dear Owen, Yes, we, Muslim respect Prophet Jesus very much, we put him in very high position as prophet and as human being. We also respect his mother as very pious woman, even in the Quran there is a surah named by her name. The verses that you listed above clarify that. So this is the answer for some "ignorant" Christians that think Muslim hate Jesus PBUH. However, we are sad that our brother and sister peoples of the book (Christians and Jews) unknowingly follow the older version of His books, that already invalidated because the new version, the revised version, with the service packs and patches (borrow Microsoft's term) to fix the corrupted part of the book due to infiltration and elimination had been revealed.
Also noted that even though we put Jesus PBUH and Marry in very high position, we never ever consider them as God or anything similar with that. They were just humans being, God chose Jesus PBUH to deliver His teaching and God chose Marry to deliver Jesus to the earth. But again His teaching via Jesus PBUH, had been revised and renewed with His teaching via Muhammad PBUH. Edited by semar - 11 March 2009 at 12:49am |
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Salam/Peace,
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pia and became a christian. What happened, why couldn't muhaamad convince his own cousin to remain a muslim? Why did he become an apostate? His uncle abu taalib, died a pagan and never converted to muhamamds's so-called religion. Obviously, he knew something you muhammadans don't! Muhammad's future father-in-law, umar ibn khattab had two sons name Abdullat and Ubaydallat, before islam as well!