Is the Bible Still the Word of God? |
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ovibos
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I believe that the Gospel mentioned in Al Maa'ida 5:46-47 is the true gospel. It is likely that the true gospel or the authentic gospel is the same as the Hebrew gospel or what Jerome called as "Matthei authenticum". The gospel was written in Hebrew, and it's different from the Canonical Matthew. It is stated in Bukhari that Waraqa ibn Naufal, the uncle of the Prophet Muhammad's wife, copied a gospel from Hebrew to Arabic, and it is very likely that the gospel that Waraqa had was the Hebrew Gospel or the authentic Matthew. in short, in the time of Waraqa ibn Naufal, the original gospel still existed. About the Torah, the current Torah is not written by Moses himself. Many biblical scholars say that the Torah was written by several different authors called J, E, P, and D. However, not every part of the Torah is written by those four. I believe that some parts of the Torah (like the Ten Commandments for instance) are actually from Moses himself. Those parts of the Torah that originally were from Moses himself are still preserved today. I believe that some parts of the Bible (not all) are really inspired form God Almighty, and those parts are still intact (not corrupted). |
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airmano
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There is a simple reason for it. If you look at a Surah like Al-Fil (105) it goes: Have you not considered, [O Muhammad], how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant? Did He not make their plan into misguidance? And He sent against them birds in flocks, Striking them with stones of hard clay, And He made them like eaten straw. There is not one single scientifically relevant statement in here. Just to be clear: I have chosen this Surah only on the basis of its length (too long = too much) before even reading it. It would apply to other Surahs as well. In clear terms: From a scientific point of view the Quran holds barely any useful info. In this respect it is a bit like saying: No scientist has ever contradicted or disputed a poem of Rainer Maria Rilke . Sure not! For the few remaining cases ("Mountains and their roots", "embryology" and "primary nebulae" etc) nobody in science takes these "Quranic miracles" seriously. Seriously ! I do however think that scientists have the responsibility of teaching and correcting (i.e I think they should stand up more often against nonsense including the Quranic miracles), and here my colleagues miserably fail. They just don't bother, with a few laudable exceptions like the Pakistani Hoodboy who is an excellent speaker & scientist. Unfortunately I'm really worried that one day I might open a newspaper announcing that he has been murdered by a Muslim extremist. This is probably the second (or first ?) and really troublesome reason why you do not have many scientists opposing these " Quranic miracles". --------------------------------------------------
What you probably see is what scholars without any scientific education have been interpreting into it, but it's just not there ! Did you ever hold a book on Quantum Mechanics in your hand ? Or did you ever read (or even understand ?) Maxwells equations ? . If you did, you would know how many side aspects you have to understand to get the full picture - and why you need to study a full text book to grasp the dimension of it. I really don't want to be offensive, but hoping that a 11 word sentence like the one you threw in could contain anything useful, is something you can only say if you don't know anything about science. Again: No offense intended. Just to finish: If these texts strike an emotional chord in you, that's fine with me and I can willingly accept this. But on a scientific level there is no room for these "miracle claims". Airmano Edited by airmano - 05 July 2015 at 7:06am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Friendship
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Airmano
I do not know what is your field of study. As a scientist, science has never contradicted or disputed with Qur'an.For example Allah says, He raised up the sky without pillars that one can see." Even history does not dispute with the Qur'an. Have you even been to Egypt and visited their museum? Please join this forum to understand what you can understand but reject it. |
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airmano
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Muslims tend to take the Quran by the word (as did the Christians with respect to the bible until "recently"). If I remember it correctly Noah and Adam are considered as prophets in Islam. Science proves that there was no Adam in a literal sense nor could the flooding/Ark have ever happened as described. Not to talk about Abrahams/Noahs age and the total lack of historical traces regarding their existence .... So you have a conflict. Airmano Edited by airmano - 02 July 2015 at 6:01am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Friendship
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Honeto!
You should not engage in the confusion between Torah and Bible. I have just learned that the Torah is a sheet of about 14 inches by 14 inches. Jesus son of Maryam explained his mission in Matthew 5. I asked the Jews why there is no mention of the then Children of Israel calling Ezra the son of Allah. They could not reply me. I guessed that is because they do not believe that Allah could have a son. Moreover that incident could be around 580 B.C from an unknown tribe not conversant with the Torah. On behalf of Muhammad Rasulullah, I do not support the common attitude of saying what Allah has not said. |
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Friendship
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Airmano.
You are following the footsteps of the followers of Muhammad Rasulullah who do not know about his mission. He never says that the Bible is not the Words of Allah the Lord of the universe. He says that he believes in all that Allah the Lord of the universe revealed to his Messengers and Prophets. I have been reading the Torah/Biblke for almost 6 decades. The Book of Acts if read carefully is what the Qur'an and the sayings of the holy apostle. So, there is no contention from those who know and understand. Friendship. |
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Friendship
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That can be done empirically. The Qur'an contains practical guidance and evidences proved and explained by Muhammad Rasulullah. You just read the adulterated English/French/German translations and not what is contained in the Arabic language. You just hit the mark on guidance. Scientists try to explain to you not marvel at the form of water? Wrinkles of the body are corrected by using pillar gel. Why not a new skin totally? Friendship. |
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1. God did not author the book.
2.This book has 40 unknown authors. If you want verses to evidence just ask and i will post the entire argument. |
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