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    Posted: 26 October 2005 at 10:55am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Rami, isn't Austrailia in the west?  I don't know who made up the rule that west bashing is okay.  It's ignorant.  I could repeat all the arguments that other people and myself have stated, but you have read those already, right?

Yes it is a western country, which gives more weight to my argument since i am speaking from experiance. Using the term west bashing for any critisism against the west is stereotypical garbage which people use for any critisism justified or otherwise it makes things ignorantly simple. Maybe you are blindly defending the west out of nationalistic pride, the west is not a person.

i also resent the term west bashing being used in light of obvious fact, western countries are secular.

Why don't we all stop making bold generalizations about the west, the east, Muslims, Christians, et cetera because it makes us look foolish?

A generalisation in this case is a general description of an overwhelming mentality/characteristic of a people, it does not apply to every person that would be an absolute statment.

An eg of a generelisation is that Austrlians are Alcoholics (using a stricter defanition fo the word), generaly it is true but many austrlians do not even drink.

just adding;

Basicly, simply becouse a statment is a generalisation does not make it incorrect or an abusive statment, saying all westerners are immoral is but this is a vastly different type of comment than the what i said.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote herjihad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 10:30am

Bismillah,

Hawk, the enter key makes a paragraph and makes it easier to read what you write. 

Although, it was a bunch of nonsense.  This sight isn't for atheists to bash believers!

Rami, isn't Austrailia in the west?  I don't know who made up the rule that west bashing is okay.  It's ignorant.  I could repeat all the arguments that other people and myself have stated, but you have read those already, right?

Why don't we all stop making bold generalizations about the west, the east, Muslims, Christians, et cetera because it makes us look foolish?



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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

This world has made people so cocooned they do not percieve anything beyond this world anylonger. If they can not see it in front of there face they lack the capacity to percieve or comprahend it. This is why people in the west no longer place any value on spritual things such as morals, instead they have this idea of total freedom to the extent where moral coruption is encouraged under the guise of personel choice.

Your technological world is built on sticks which if taken away from you, you behave more uncivilised than a third world country which you look down upon as being primitive since the only standard which you even percieve is advancment in material things, yet they have more moral fibre without your technology which you can not do without.

It may come as a suprise to you but as you endulge in physical pleasure to the point of sin your perception of things spiritual like moral importance is greatly reduced, this is why people dont even know why it is wrong to kill anymore except that the law of this world will punish them.

This is also why Jesus used to fast much and talked to the people using parables to increase there spiritual awarness as the jews at that time were extremely materialistic espetialy the ones in charge.

Religion has been abused by people but religion itself is not abusive,  Our leaders the past where placed in power by yours any atempt in to overthrow them has resulted in slaughter. Your statments regarding abuse of religion only apply to christian history not Islamic you are superimposing your issues on us, our leaders in the past who did wrong there actions were recognised as wrong by our scholars we never had this issue to the extent you have had.  


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You guys all need to mellow out on the dramatics,we have a world full of jerks wanting to kill people for the sake of religion,Religion is alot of hooey that was used by primitive peoples to explain things that their puny brains couldnt understand,or a means of gaining power over puny minds by those seeking power,over the centuries we have developed science which explains most of what early man could not understand,Its a shame that parts of the world refuse to grow beyond such primitive thinking,and cant get past the fear of others that are different,you folk in the middle east are being led through the nose by small people using fear to bend minds into a state of blind faith, true religion is a mental state of harmony where one strives to understand the world around them and relies on personal strength to grow beyond what they do not understand,not to keep people in fear of change,not to create disharmony and agression through cowardly terrorist acts,guns and weapons are not the way.Allah is as much a farce as the white mans god,chances are that if either exist they are dissatisfied with the actions taken,open your eyes and take a good look,the peoples of most nations are puppets to the so called leaders, you are pawns to be used in their quest for power,they do not suffer the consequences of these actions,they live in squalor, poverty,fear,while "leaders"surround themselves with the spoils taken from those unable to defend themselves,to take lives for these people will do nothing other than condemn your soul to hell,regardless of what is promised,A man is a god unto himself, every man has the power to create,and to destroy,they also have the power to grow within themselves,those that speak in the name of false gods have neither the power to create or grow, just to destroy,while using the ignorant to further their "ungodly"cause,ignorance is a valuable tool for these people,it gives them the power to desecrate the lives you would otherwise deserve,Stand tall against these such men,they are the real enemy of your people,once life is extinguished there is no future,Knowledge and strenght of mind will bring the promised rewards during your livelihood, not empty promises of whats in store for you after your death or the death of many innocents,learn to live for today, learn to live for yourself,learn to live for the love and harmony that causes fear in the eyes of the false leaders using others to promote their vendettas of fear and agression,Allah or the white mans god will not solve the problems of the world, only men with understanding, patience,vision,and knowledge can bring to this world what so many seek,Peace  and vision to all
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lameese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2005 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Assalamu'alaikum Brothers and Sisters,

It seems that as humans we have developed another basic need... need to dramatize situation, need for artificial conflicts that often evolve into full-fledged wars, as we grow with them. 

Perhaps being exposed to otiose TV programs and having violent movies and mad videos streaming directly into our head we all find ourselves acting and in need of creating similar theatrical environment in our lives.

Threats... sophisticated technologies... misconduct... tracking systems... empty talk. Waste of time, Brothers and Sisters.... mere waste of time.

Anyone who wishes to entertain these kind of conversations and discussions should at least try to bring it outside of this forum. Any misconduct should not be tolerated and users spotted behaving in such manner should be "given an opportunity" to chill out without having access to this forum for some time. The most effective approach, however, would be silence treatment... without having to associate oneself with someone else's misconduct. 

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MOCKBA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2005 at 10:23pm

Bismillah

Assalamu'alaikum Brothers and Sisters,

It seems that as humans we have developed another basic need... need to dramatize situation, need for artificial conflicts that often evolve into full-fledged wars, as we grow with them. 

Perhaps being exposed to otiose TV programs and having violent movies and mad videos streaming directly into our head we all find ourselves acting and in need of creating similar theatrical environment in our lives.

Threats... sophisticated technologies... misconduct... tracking systems... empty talk. Waste of time, Brothers and Sisters.... mere waste of time.

Anyone who wishes to entertain these kind of conversations and discussions should at least try to bring it outside of this forum. Any misconduct should not be tolerated and users spotted behaving in such manner should be "given an opportunity" to chill out without having access to this forum for some time. The most effective approach, however, would be silence treatment... without having to associate oneself with someone else's misconduct. 

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Any kind of threat is an extremely sad and a bankrupt affair and that too to HerJihad out of all our family. I feel ashamed and speechless.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote herjihad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2005 at 12:20am

Bismillah,

Thank you Rami, Lameese, Meedo, Nausheen and Israfil.  I will think about what you said, ISA, Israfil.  I think I just want everyone here to know that we cannot make open physical threats to each other.  This needs to be a place for peaceful discussion.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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