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Angela
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Posted: 28 November 2005 at 3:25pm |
I understand and respect the point of view if not the actions. Its easy to say one is fighting tyranny and american oppression as long as one is engaging the soldiers that are there. But, when a man and his wife ladened with bombs enter a wedding reception of fellow muslims, then it becomes less of a fight against the enemy and more murder. I am a supporter of bringing our troops home and ending the violence in Iraq. I pray the Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish people can find a way to bring a just form of government to give them freedom and hope. I pray more people open up to change through dialogue and political activism. If more people were like Muhammed, then less mothers would be crying over the graves of their sons. Going to war in order to protect your home is fine, crossing the border to blow up a mosque of worshippers you don't agree with in a country that isn't yours is wrong. Education can fight terrorism, and its starts at home and in the mosques. |
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Isra'eel
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Assalamu A'alaykum wa Rahmatullahee wa Barakatu Peace Angela: There can be things that we don't like but it is good in the sight of Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, and there can be something that we like but it is not good in the sight of Allah. Let us pretend that you walk in the street in your town and you see how a guy tries to kill an old lady. The only way for you to save the old lady is by killing this guy. What would you do? Wars are always great trials, but sometimes they are not avoidable. If a people oppresses and terrorizes other people then it is the obligation of the Muslim to help, even if it needs force. I am talking about battles between soldier and soldier. However, if the soldier of the enemy desist fighting then he should be given peace, and after you have given someone peace you cannot kill him be he Muslim or someone from other faiths. If they resist fighting however then we fight back. We fight those enemies who resist fighting and those who fight us. Wars and battles are always ugly and they are huge struggle, but if people fight us we cannot just give them the other cheek. This would mean that we approve their tyranny, and in the end the tyrants will rule while the peacemakers live as slaves or are no more. Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu aleihi wassallam, did not fight his whole life in physical battle. He only fought in actual battles for altogether less then 2 days. If he were a bloodthirsty tyrant then he would wage war and kill all his life. However, he became a prophet when he was 40 years old. Before, this day he had not fought any battles, except the battles against desires etc. He lived a normal life. He married a beautiful woman and had offspring. His future wife employed him and he received financial support through his wife Khadijah. Until the age of 40, there was no battle. He just lived his life following the religion of Abraham, aleihi salaam. Was the first commandment Muhammad received to fight the non-believers? Was the first commandment to kill the idol-worshippers of Arabia? The first commandments Muhammad received told him and everyone of us to learn and to gain knowledge. Education was the first commandment. Muhammad during the Makkan Period did not wage wars against anyone be they the Quraish, the Nazarenes, the Jews or whoever. When you carefully read the Qur'anic Verses from the Makkan Period. You do not find rulings on fighting and laws. The do's and don'ts were revealed in the Madeenah Period which begins with the Hijrah (Migration from Makkah to Madeenah). The Makki chapters of the Qur'an are preparations for the laws. You find that in the Makki part of Qur'an, the topics are the hereafter, hellfire, and paradise and the tenets of faith. Muhammad and his companions suffered greatly by the Quraish leaders. Companions were tortured, but no Muslim raised any weapon. There were companions of the prophet to fight against them but the prophet did not command to do so. When Muhammad migrated from Makkah to Madeenah he was about 50 years old. In ten years prophethood he did not fight. They settled in Madeenah. I don't know the age of Muhammad during the battle of badr. The battle of badr was the first battle. After more than 50 years of life, Muhammad fought a battle. If you think that this battle took place over years, no. It was one battle. The Muslims killed whoever resisted fighting. They were attacked by a huge army. The Muslims were about 340 in number. It is said that the number of the Muslims were the same in number as the number of soldiers who were fighting with the King Talut or Saul against the army of Goliath/Jalut when young David, aleihi salam, killed Goliath. There was not way around the battle. Muhammad did not fight many battles. Battles are usually not more than a few hours. Muhammad altogether fought in actually physical battle for less than two days. I will post more...
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herjihad
Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473 |
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Bismillah, Peace is good. Let's start at home and on this discussion board. Yeah, I haven't ventured to read the thread about wiping out a country. Didn't like the title. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Deus
Senior Member Joined: 13 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 134 |
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I was talking about real literal poverty in developing countries, the kind of poverty where people starve and have barely enough food to keep themselves alive so they can feed their children. I don't think lack of "freedom of expression" is poverty. In places like Somalia, people are ready to give up all their freedoms, rights, and every other privilage for the sake of food - the most basic human need. You have great visions, but you need to outline some concrete plans to bring about "positive change." Edited by Deus |
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Angel
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lol! |
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~ Our feet are earthbound, but our hearts and our minds have wings ~
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ubiety
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i suggest you keep out of something you don't have the knowledge to understand |
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Hayfa
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Goodness can we not respect different people without attacking periphery things? Angela brought up a point and then WHAM! What is this? Can people not have dialogue? dialogue is important.. gee wiz.. I get on here and its like a personal thing. And if no one had repsonded in a way we could all just discuss the differing concepts.. It is in Intrafaith Dialogue.. not about Bush.. gee. its about our personal faith, tenets of our religion, etc.. Its like a question from a non Moslem about the idea of peace and peacemakers and we cannot even talk about it! I hope that people can be looked at as individuals.. We ar jsut people! We do not represent the current political flavor of our governments. I do not represent all people in the US and neither does anyone represent the country they reside in.. There are ways to interpet things like 'sword of peace' etc. Lots of ways. I came on thinking it would be a good discussion and then its about interpreting Angela's motives.. hello.. we cannot know that. Everyone has their angle on this board.. we all have different interests and ideas. Yes I am western I was born and raised here. That is the life Allah gave me. I am not less valid, then anyone else here just because too many people are faulty and voted for a particular government. It is not for us to judge each other but help each other. Leave the judgement to Allah.. I saw a good piece on Intrfaith efforts between the three faiths-Judaism, Islam and Christianity. And its about listening and learning. Life is hard enough and we need to listen, learn and then act to make the world better. Its amazing how much about people is misinterpreted and stereotypes abound. As Moslems we don't like it when people do it to us we should avoid doing it ourselves. Even if they do it to us.. we need to be better.. Peace
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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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ubiety
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yes, i thought so, clear for all to see....... you have come here to hunt down some so-called extremists (or is that Muslim's), so that you can give them an earful of your - Joseph Smith and the miracle of his first vision. hmmm, i think your president Bush is in greater need of this. ermmm, i don't believe in GP's (or should that be quaks), i am not registered with any, nor am i in need of their chemical concoctions. no, i rely on my faith |
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