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    Posted: 08 April 2006 at 9:11am

Addendum:

The message of eternal damnation of disbelievers by God has been consistent throughout all scriptures. Can't do anything about it. The Good Lord has always been consistent about it.

Even Jesus, who assured of the Love of God and the Loving God has confirmed that damnation for the disbelievers in the New Testament.

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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:


The Quran promises hell fire for the unbelievers. Are you telling me that I can get salvation even without embracing Islam, simply by accepting God & being righteous? You mean I don't have to accept Allah to be able to achieve salvation? Then please explain to me this verse:




The Bible promises hell fire for the unbelievers.

Mark 3:29: "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation." (KJV)



So If I dont beleive in the holy ghost then I cant enter heaven?
even If I donate to charity and do all the good work?



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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

The Quran promises hell fire for the unbelievers. Are you telling me that I can get salvation even without embracing Islam, simply by accepting God & being righteous? You mean I don't have to accept Allah to be able to achieve salvation? Then please explain to me this verse:

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YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

Regards,
-Trident-

Islam is the submission to the will of God. Therefore this Ayat should be quite self-explanatory: if anyone desires a religion other than submission to the will of God, never will it be accepted of him...

Why would God accept any religion that promotes anything other than total submission to God? Isn't that what God's guidance and sending the Prophets and Messengers was all about? To keep people from accepting religions other than that which submits to the will of God?

Isn't this all REALLY simple, or maybe I'm missing something....

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Trident posted : I don't see Muhammad busy bringing people to Allah in love & devotion, which is what Love of God is all about.

Another eye opening messages received from an orthodox evangelist. Love of God is simply evangelistic. So are you, Trident.

So where is Terminal 1 at Seremban. I have never heard of this location. BTW, have you recalled the name of the translator for the Sira?
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Dear Bro Andalus your discourses on Biblical accounts are quite interesting and thought provoking. Kindly keep up your remarkable work. We need people like you very often on this forum, especially once a lot of garbage is dumped over this part of the forum. Jazakallah Kharan.

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Trident, which Sira book that you bought in Malaysia? Who's the author and which bookshop you found it?
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Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

One thing that bro Trident has specifically alluded to is his source of info as "ibn Ishaq" without realising that though he was a Muslim historian, yet ibn Ishaq didn't apply the stringent methodology of "Ilum ul Hadith" to verify every report that he is using it for narrating his history. Hence, fall short of giving accurate accounts of Islamic doctrine especially when it comes to deducing Isalmic laws from it. Hopefully this shall give a better perspective in which his history must be viewed especially once a contrasting evidence is found elsewhere. 

Assalam Aleikum.

Absolutely Br. These polemicists bring up these stories but they fail to include all of the facts about the sources. It is my belief that these ruses are in fact created for the sole purpose of obfuscating the issue  for those non-Muslims who are taking a serious look at the deen, and for new converts who's iman is new. Many missionaries act as "retention" personel for sheep looking to find the one true path to Allah subhana wa t'ala, and their method of controlling loose sheep is misinformation and propaganda. I do know many fine Christians and in no way do I codemn all Christians and others for this assault.



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Originally posted by Trident Trident wrote:

Originally posted by ak_m_f ak_m_f wrote:

So you are saying thats its not muslims fault, it was the prophet who was at fault?

tell me trident what faith are you from? Atheist?

The Muslims are at fault for following such a man. I wouldn't, after reading all about him from the Hadiths & Sirat Rasul.

My faith is irrevelant here. Islam considers all other religions as kufr and it's adherents as infidels. So just say my religion is kufr.

Ah, time for one of my favorite Surahs!

24:19 Verily, as for those who like [to hear] foul slander spread against [any of] those who have attained to faith <>Asad(24,20) truetruetruetrue&-op=cn&Asad=slander&-sortor#">[20] grievous suffering awaits them in this world <>Asad(24,21) truetruetruetrue&-op=cn&Asad=slander&-sortor#">[21] and in the life to come: for God knows [the full truth], whereas you know [it] not. <>Asad(24,22) truetruetruetrue&-op=cn&Asad=slander&-sortor#">[22]
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